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Here I am with yet another theory regarding Nobodies.
My first claim is that no Heartless is necessary to make a Nobody.
Example: Namine.
Namine was born from the heart of Kairi being released from Sora. As we all know, Kairi's heart never became a Heartless, as she had a heart of pure light. Therefore, Namine, a Nobody, was born WITHOUT A HEARTLESS BEING CREATED.
The rebuttal of those people who continue to fuel the idea that the birth of a Nobody requires the birth of a Heartless: Sora's Shadow Heartless in KH1.
This is where you are completely wrong.
Sora's Heartless - being just that, a Heartless - is his heart. Just his heart. Not his heart and Ven's heart. Not his heart and Kairi's heart. Only SORA'S heart. Thus, the birth of this Heartless led Sora's body to be reborn as Roxas, transporting with it the heart of Ven, when he shattered into light after stabbing himself with the Keyblade of People's Hearts in KH1. There is nothing of Sora left to make a Nobody with. So then where did Namine come from?
Her body is a mystery to me, but the only logical explanation regarding her existence at all is it was simply Kairi's strong heart being released from Sora's body, as he was not pure light as she was.
Regardless, no respective Heartless was made for Namine, yet she exists.
And so I would extrapolate this idea to Master Xehanort, like I did in my other theory regarding MF - MX's heart was not left without a vessel for long enough to become a Heartless, but his body nonetheless shattered into light. I don't think a single person would doubt the strength of MX's heart and that he had the capacity to create a Nobody/Heartless would his heart have had time to be taken by darkness. But instead it went into Terra, the same way Kairi's heart went from her body to Sora. The difference: MX was not pure light, and thus his body/heart could create Heartless/Nobodies if separated. Thus, I would say that MX has a Nobody fromt hat very moment forward (as do many people, now) regardless of whether it is MF or something else entirely.
(A similar question could be considered regarding the scene in which ME's heart goes into Terra's body in LoD - what happened to his body? Was his heart not strong enough to create Heartless/Nobodies? I'd be interested if anyone had any intriguing thoughts on this)
Now, regarding Terranort's self-stabbing at the end of Final Episode -
His heart was not unlocked, but LOCKED. In Blank Points, you see that Terra's and MX's hearts are both still within their shared vessel. Therefore, no hearts were sent out to become Heartless, and no bodies left behind to potentially become Nobodies. Therefore, in locking his heart(s) away, Terranort was simply intending to stop Terra's interference with his plan. Whether MX knew that in commanding the shared body to do this, Terranort would lose his memories as well, is unknown, but that is irrelevant to the point I'm making now: Terranort did not produce a Heartless nor a Nobody until he split into ASoD and Xemnas. At that point, I glean from a recent Nomura interview, it would be wise for us to determine what of the many pieces making Terranort (Terra's body, Terra's heart, MX's heart, and potentially ME's heart) were distributed to which of the two resulting beings.
So we have many Xehanorts to keep track of.
Original MX created a Nobody, and his heart went to Terra, creating Terranort. So we're at 2: Terranort and unknown Nobody.
Then, Terranort split into Xemnas and ASod, so we're at 3: Xemnas, ASoD, and unknown Nobody (assuming it still exists; just because we as players have not destroyed it personally doesn't mean someone else didn't or we won't in another game).
Then, Xemnas and ASod are defeated and assumedly rejoin, creating a new Xehanort. So we have 2 again: New Xehanort and unknown Nobody.
A list of all created forms of Xehanort we know:
Original MX
Unknown Nobody
Terranort
ASoD
Xemnas
New Xehanort
I fear my theory has become more of a ramble at this point, but I'm just trying to be as clear as possible.
Tl;dr: Nobodies can be created without the creation of a respective Heartless, Namine is a clear example. Also, by that logic, MX probably created a Nobody of his own when he sent his heart out of his body into Terra's.
I'll ask here at the end, like I've asked many times before: If you are going to be extremely stubborn and not even consider the possibility of Nobodies being created without respective Heartless, and ESPECIALLY if you're going to flame, then I would like a quote from Nomura or one of the games that clearly specifies that it is impossible to create Nobodies without the creation of Heartless.
My first claim is that no Heartless is necessary to make a Nobody.
Example: Namine.
Namine was born from the heart of Kairi being released from Sora. As we all know, Kairi's heart never became a Heartless, as she had a heart of pure light. Therefore, Namine, a Nobody, was born WITHOUT A HEARTLESS BEING CREATED.
The rebuttal of those people who continue to fuel the idea that the birth of a Nobody requires the birth of a Heartless: Sora's Shadow Heartless in KH1.
This is where you are completely wrong.
Sora's Heartless - being just that, a Heartless - is his heart. Just his heart. Not his heart and Ven's heart. Not his heart and Kairi's heart. Only SORA'S heart. Thus, the birth of this Heartless led Sora's body to be reborn as Roxas, transporting with it the heart of Ven, when he shattered into light after stabbing himself with the Keyblade of People's Hearts in KH1. There is nothing of Sora left to make a Nobody with. So then where did Namine come from?
Her body is a mystery to me, but the only logical explanation regarding her existence at all is it was simply Kairi's strong heart being released from Sora's body, as he was not pure light as she was.
Regardless, no respective Heartless was made for Namine, yet she exists.
And so I would extrapolate this idea to Master Xehanort, like I did in my other theory regarding MF - MX's heart was not left without a vessel for long enough to become a Heartless, but his body nonetheless shattered into light. I don't think a single person would doubt the strength of MX's heart and that he had the capacity to create a Nobody/Heartless would his heart have had time to be taken by darkness. But instead it went into Terra, the same way Kairi's heart went from her body to Sora. The difference: MX was not pure light, and thus his body/heart could create Heartless/Nobodies if separated. Thus, I would say that MX has a Nobody fromt hat very moment forward (as do many people, now) regardless of whether it is MF or something else entirely.
(A similar question could be considered regarding the scene in which ME's heart goes into Terra's body in LoD - what happened to his body? Was his heart not strong enough to create Heartless/Nobodies? I'd be interested if anyone had any intriguing thoughts on this)
Now, regarding Terranort's self-stabbing at the end of Final Episode -
His heart was not unlocked, but LOCKED. In Blank Points, you see that Terra's and MX's hearts are both still within their shared vessel. Therefore, no hearts were sent out to become Heartless, and no bodies left behind to potentially become Nobodies. Therefore, in locking his heart(s) away, Terranort was simply intending to stop Terra's interference with his plan. Whether MX knew that in commanding the shared body to do this, Terranort would lose his memories as well, is unknown, but that is irrelevant to the point I'm making now: Terranort did not produce a Heartless nor a Nobody until he split into ASoD and Xemnas. At that point, I glean from a recent Nomura interview, it would be wise for us to determine what of the many pieces making Terranort (Terra's body, Terra's heart, MX's heart, and potentially ME's heart) were distributed to which of the two resulting beings.
So we have many Xehanorts to keep track of.
Original MX created a Nobody, and his heart went to Terra, creating Terranort. So we're at 2: Terranort and unknown Nobody.
Then, Terranort split into Xemnas and ASod, so we're at 3: Xemnas, ASoD, and unknown Nobody (assuming it still exists; just because we as players have not destroyed it personally doesn't mean someone else didn't or we won't in another game).
Then, Xemnas and ASod are defeated and assumedly rejoin, creating a new Xehanort. So we have 2 again: New Xehanort and unknown Nobody.
A list of all created forms of Xehanort we know:
Original MX
Unknown Nobody
Terranort
ASoD
Xemnas
New Xehanort
I fear my theory has become more of a ramble at this point, but I'm just trying to be as clear as possible.
Tl;dr: Nobodies can be created without the creation of a respective Heartless, Namine is a clear example. Also, by that logic, MX probably created a Nobody of his own when he sent his heart out of his body into Terra's.
I'll ask here at the end, like I've asked many times before: If you are going to be extremely stubborn and not even consider the possibility of Nobodies being created without respective Heartless, and ESPECIALLY if you're going to flame, then I would like a quote from Nomura or one of the games that clearly specifies that it is impossible to create Nobodies without the creation of Heartless.
