Re: Ephemera Skuld Ancestors (Family Ties in KH)
Naruto totally started off as a series solely about a boy with no friends, who then made friends, and then had his best friend join the darkside. Sound familiar? What happened to the series later only serves to prove the point that these same things have a high probability of being added into KH down the line.
No friends and no family, and he made a pseudo-family with his friends but then family became a MAJOR plot point. My point is that Kingdom Hearts is not Naruto and many people felt all of the crazy family plot points introduced to Naruto only served to overload and bog down the original story which was once a simple story about friendship.
Nomura isn't big on family? Wasn't FFXV initially his project? I remember there being some family stuff involved with that game.
Yes, and there is focus on Noctis' dad but the rest of FFXV is about Noctis' relationship with his friends. It's a road trip with friends being friends.
But then we can look at TWEWY, a game where Nomura was creative producer and we can see how it is Neku's bonds with his new friends that shapes the game. Beat and Rhyme are siblings and their personal story is driven by that but the overall story focuses on the friendships Neku forms.
FF8 all of these characters were already grown young adults, the time in your life when you're most likely spending time with your friends.
They were 17 and only considered adults due to the fact that they were raised to be soldiers.
Sure strangers risk lives for total strangers but Ephemera barely did anything to warrant him being more than some guy who was already long gone. There would be no need to risk your life in his memory. Find me a real life person who would risk their own life for a dead man. And at that time in the story of X you are only just finding out about this impending doom. The friendship was apparently forged before all of that. And of course you're going to be friends with your allies in wartime, but Ephemera isn't even in your Union in the game. Not that this conflict is all that serious during this point in the story but still the immediate friendship is rather unlikely. You stated yourself that they are rare occurrences/uncommon.
But again, we are meant to suspend our disbelief that Ephemera and the player DO become friends regardless of any differences they may have had.
Despite being separate Unions, they were all fighting for the same goal. To gather light to stop the heartless (despite leading it to the world's end). I think fighting Heartless is a pretty risky job that provides a sense of constant impending doom.
And yes, I said they are rare in real life but we are talking about a video game where things move pretty fast.
You think those people without their family don't wish they had them? You don't think an orphan might wonder where they came from? HIGHLY UNLIKELY
Some don't, some do. Some of them have good support systems with the family they have made all on their own that was not their blood family and find happiness in that. Some people willingly leave their families for all sorts of reasons as well, and friendship will be their only support in those times.
So again, why should we invalidate those types of situations and relationships just to throw family into the picture?
I'd like to see you just walk up and leave your family and never speak to them again.
Well that certainly isn't hard at all.
You wouldn't give them up that easily just because you have friends with you.
If my friends were the closest thing to a family that I had, then sure I would.
You wouldn't give them up that easily just because you have friends with you. And no I'm not talking about people from broken homes because it's obvious that these characters in KH don't come from a broken home.
We do not know if they are from a healthy family or not, and even so it is not necessary to know to understand these characters nor is it necessary to focus on family when the series is primarily concerned with friendship on its own separated from the family unit.
I'm not misconstruing their point. They said it themselves about friends being your chosen family. That doesn't have to mean they are your only family. It's not like you just get rid of your biologicals when you decide to make friends. No because more than likely you're friends with people in your family. Friends are just a way to make your circle of family bigger.
I still don't think you get it, though. You are too focused on the point that friends can be family, which is true, but they are still their own part of your life that you choose to have that is separate from your biological family.
We are given our family at birth. We have to put effort into making friends and maintaining those friendships.
Sora already valued his friendships. If he didn't then he would have never set off looking for them. The story was more about being able to rely on good friends in your time of need. Something you could also do with your family.
Are we forgetting the events of Deep Jungle or Hollow Bastion when Sora finally states what he'd finally learned.
No, Sora did not value friendship at the start of KH1. Sora certainly cared about Riku and Kairi but he didn't know the true extent of what friendship really was. He was envious of Riku because he was never as strong or as cool as him and with Kairi he was unable to be truly honest with his feelings.
He was hesitant to meet strangers, but when he saw they were in need he couldn't help but jump in to protect them. As he traveled to different worlds, he saw how friendship could grow and how important it was to have them and finally came to the conclusion that friendship is powerful.
Relying on your family can be much different than your friends. And once you lose your parents or family, all you really do have are your friends.
This is feeling a bit circular...
I think most people would agree that 14 is still a child. I know I couldn't support myself at 14.
14 year olds are young, can act like children, and are not prepared for the world. They are not children cognitively nor biologically.
And you know what happens to kids who lose their parents? If they're lucky they have other people step up and care for them. And once again they may grow up and be fine but I'm sure they still wish they had mommy. Am I right? In most cases I don't think I'd be wrong.
Sure, but wishing and having are two different things. The fact remains that Sora doesn't have his mother around in these games and rather than lingering on the idea that he needed her, the gems focus on a situation where
1) Parents are not the primary focus or support of these characters
2) These characters are able to act independently
It's a coming-of-age story, as lengthy and contrived as it may be.
Sora's mom was a small what if scenario. I find it hard to believe you didn't get that. Why are you trying to find fault in everything I've said?
No, I'm playing devil's advocate to your statements.
Not always? Seriously? That's what you have to say? Thats like saying a good friend wouldnt stick their neck out for you when you're in trouble. Not always. Then I guess KH would have never happened because you know... Not always. There was no need for you to try and contradict me there.
Again, devil's advocate.
Sometimes a mom might not be loving... Please quit nitpicking.
Hey, you mentioned a loving mom. Moms aren't always loving. I was merely responding.
You mean to tell me your mom doesn't approve of you having a healthy relationship with a friend?
As long as they aren't using me for some means to an end, I don't think she cares too much about how healthy the friendship is.
I'm sure they wouldn't mind helping your friend if they approved of them.
Begrudgingly.
I know my friends' parents think of me as their sometimes son. They're cool like that.
So have my own friend's parents, but I was confused on how that related to the discussion xD
Yes Terra. Trust the child to understand the importance of a world ending weapon especially when he will receive no guidance in its practices. He's totally mature enough.
Terra clearly didn't think all that much about the ramifications, but he literally could see Riku's future before his eyes and knew he could trust his legacy with him. Aqua was about to do the same thing to Sora or Riku until she saw Terra passed a Keyblade on to Riku.
I know you weren't looking for a debate. I just like debating lol Nothing I said was meant to offend so I'm sorry if it did.