Then it's not really communism
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Then it's not really communism
I guess I shouldn't have said "based on" because true communism is kind of the opposite. In countries that implement a communist government, that's the way it is, though, to my understanding.
Point is, true communism is a society where everyone is equal and accepted. Physically unabled people, people with a different skin color, people with a different sexual orientation, people with a different God they believe in, etc.
They are all equal, and so they all earn the same money, because they all do just as much work for the society.
That is what a fair world would be like. That's true communism.
However, never has that been achieved and never will we...
They are all equal, and so they all earn the same money, because they all do just as much work for the society.
That is what a fair world would be like. That's true communism.
However, never has that been achieved and never will we...
Unless you apply "To each according to his need, from each according to his ability," then you get a leftover from capitalism with a sort of wage system based on what the person actually does.
True.
One thing that people should drive away a bit from capitalism is the fact that the people that hardly do shit are the ones that earn millions every year excluding the extra million dollar bonusses they get. It's disgusting and it's sad that people still accept it... The economic recession definetly opens up people's eyes though...
Except that it's clearly the only system that works.
How wrong you are.
It's the only system that the Western world sees as succesful.
We are now witnessing what capitalism is about. Rich people getting richer, poor people getting poorer. America having a debt of 9 trillion dollars. Is that a system that works?:23:
America at the moment is living in an illusion when it's coming to the economy. Fortunately, Obama is waking people up, but it's definetly the time to do so anyways, he shouldn't have become president any later.
Obama is increasing the debt and inflating the government. And despite lots of right wing dissent, he's not going to make us socialists.
Even if he wanted, it'd be pretty much impossible. But he also clearly do not intend to leave the current capitalist system to remain in state, because it is falling.
I think the new system could, and should be more fair somehow, and maybe take some socialist idea. In between the two maybe.
It really shouldn't. As selfish as it may seem I don't want my money to go to others.
It already does. The thing is that under capitalism you do not realize it.
There's a difference between being taxed and being given just enough money to live.
This isn't what I'm speaking about. It's about like New2Ya said. When you work, your work make win a lot of money to some already very rich dude who don't do anything of their day.
Basically, you're giving money to others, except that here others doesn't mean all people but a handful of people.
Not t add 'just enough money to live' wouldn't apply it the new system was in between socialism and capitalism, since by definition some capitalist idea would be in the system.
Basically, you're giving money to others, except that here others doesn't mean all people but a handful of people.
Not t add 'just enough money to live' wouldn't apply it the new system was in between socialism and capitalism, since by definition some capitalist idea would be in the system.
Because the economy isn't going anywhere, regardless what Obama did the debt would increase, nevermind that he inherited the mess from an incredibly fiscally irresponsible Bush administration + Congress.
The current system was an experiment started with Reagan called supply-side, or trickle down, economics. Rather than giving cuts to everyone, give cuts to the top and let them spread the wealth down the line. Deregulation and downsizing of certain parts of government was also a component. End result? Rich-poor gap got huuuge because the wealth didn't trickle down at all. And things that were expected to be self-regulating (see banks) didn't regulate, resulting in bad assets everywhere and the eventual collapse of the financial system. At least Greenspan finally admitted the idea was a failure. Just a shame it screwed up the wealth distribution of this country so much.
We just need to roll back to either Clinton policies or pre-Reagan policies. We strayed from a working system that balanced the highs and lows of the economy and got left with something with pronounced highs and lows. No economic system should be pure one way or the other. The best system takes ideas from both sides, capitalist and socialist, and applies them for the common good.
Eh, perhaps in a way that he doesn't mean, but in the U.S. we've already been giving money to others.
Also, lol selfishness. Working to better yourself rather than the common good.
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what?
Wow, that sounds awful.
EDIT: The fact that I or anyone else has a different idea of fairness pretty much makes that whole idea obsolete. Fair =/= Equal. Much of the time, fair is equal and equal is fair but they aren't the same by principle.
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Sigh...I personally am more socialist than anything but I think anything is better than That Idiotic Trickle-Down Theory Reagan started. I can understand why that guy shot him. What person in his right mind would do something as Idiotic as Reaganomics? The money just moves from one Fatcat to another and never moves down! Who here believes Trickle down was a good Idea? Anyone? Because I don't!
Feh... honestly I don't know much about it but my understanding is that you give businesses tax breaks and then they can hire more people/pay higher wages/make more stuff. Key word: can. I just say tax breaks all around, it has worked in the past.
Don't worry. America will lean towards Keynesian economics for a few decades until we get sick of it and try a free market again.
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