Hello, this is my first time here and I hope everything will go for the best. This forum looks really interesting and very open-minded around KH so here I am ^o^ I would like to warn you that english is not my mother-tongue so if I make mistakes, please tell me (if you want/can ).
I warn you, this thread is looooong and there is no TLR, so make sure you have all your time to read it!
Anyway, first of all, I wanted to post this thread on the Days forum but I found out some weird stuff and I thought this will be a better place to talk about it. The logic of this might be a little awkward but please read till the end....which will take probably a long time... <
So, firstly, I never played KH days and I merely watched playthrough on youtube and the movie from KH 1.5 . Unfortunately, on these videos, you don't get the chance to look at the "secret" stuff, in this case, the secret reports. You can get them here. (They are also sorted by author.)
We know who is Xion, according to this wiki :
I read all of these reports and some little things rang a bell in my mind somehow. I'll begin with Xemnas's :
It might be something trivial, but why did he use her name and "she" on day 255? before and after that, he only uses "puppet" and "it". I found this quite awkward because it seems his second reports treats Xion as someone and not something like the two others.
When you read Saïx reports, it gets a little weirder. I'll begin on day 150 :
Indeed, why haven't they (well, especially Xemnas since he seems to be the one to keep her) replaced her if something better could have been made? According to Saïx, it seems Vexen was not that important in the Replica Program, as he wrote that the next Replica should be used (is he talking about Riku replica?). But then, did SaÏx truly knew all about the project?
This part is even more strange :
Smiling? what the duck?? I mean, it could have been a smirk , a grin, a sneer whatever I don't know, but a smile? The japanese part goes like this :明確な返答は得られず、笑うだけだった。 "Warau" can be written in two different ways 笑う or 嗤う. The former actually means "to smile, to laugh" while the latter means "to sneer". So they purposely showed it was a smile, which is more sincere than a sneer (YRLY). Why then? (perhaps he was thinking of something else, although I highly doubt it).
Furthermore, it shows that Xemnas is most likely leading all of this alone. Xigbar's reports enhance this fact and show that there is something strange between Xion and Xemnas :
Xigbar thinks Xemnas sees something else in her. When Xigbar says "something else in her", I thought he was talking about something as in something useful. However, the japanese part goes like this : 俺には奴に見えるが、おそらくゼムナスにはまた違った姿に見えているんだろう。(I can see him (that guy) but, as for Xemnas, he's probably seeing a (whole?) different figure/appearance.) So, I don't know if that sentence puzzled anyone, it's more like an information...but oh well....
Anyway, this report was written one day after Xemnas's (the one he speaks of Xion as someone). So Xemnas sees a girl, that's sure but who exactly?
Yeah, we might probably know in KHIII because (highlight) Xion appeared in both Coded and 3D and in 3D, she is seen in front of Xigbar and on the DI.. Anyway, only speculations and theories can come out of this so, let's continue.
Axel's reports point out that Xion might be totally someone else, although he first saw someone looking like Naminé :
I like the way he says " Xion is a girl"...No, really? come on, you guys wear high-heel and breasts sometimes?
At that time, Axel did know about the Replica program but not about Xion, for him, he saw her as someone. That's why he thinks Saïx is hiding something (but Saïx's report on day 174 might states that things might be hidden to him as well).
Anyway, here's the most interesting part :
That part is quite interesting because it shows that for Axel, Repliku was imperfect contrary to Xion but he had exceptional copying functionnality (personally , I don't get that part). However, was it because he looked exactly like the original Riku? in fact, the Replica encountered Riku quite a lots of time. People mostly thinks that Xion looks like Kaïri (and like Naminé from Axel pov), but the fact is she developed a sense of self at the beginning : she was, and people knew she was Xion. And when she went to pay a visit to Naminé, she didn't find any resemblance with her, well, she didn't have a problem with her... Furthermore, Xion is left-handed, no one else is (except Ventus, but only in early development); but her looks might match Kaïri's ( you'll notice it's a mirror of Kaïri's first haircut...somehow, mostly for the bangs ) although, IMO, her personality is quite different from Kaïri's and slightly looks like Sora's/Roxas's. ( She is shy (well, in the beginning...yes), but she is strong-minded, she's a fighter, she has her own free will (that's the point of her story, you'll tell me...yes)).
Anyway, Axel adds the possibility that she might be the Replica of someone else, something that might not be because of her looks. But there are few differences with Kaïri or Sora....What is the strangest for me is that she is left-handed...
I intended to end the thread here and ask for your opinions, if it was the developer's intentions to blur the origin of Xion with no real intention to dig any further or if it was made on purpose. But before I was going to write that down, I stumbled upon the strangest "thing" (I'm typing "thing" quite a lots of time, no? <XP ) ...
The logic might confuse you, but it's necessary.
When I played Birth by Sleep (I remind you I never played or watched KH Days until recently), I found quite interesting to have Xehanort's theme slightly looking like Strange Whispers (Ansem Sod 's theme plays in the beginning of Xehanort's theme, it's quite noticeable).
Now, Kh days features Xemnas's theme. At first, I find it really weird for him not to have something similar with Xehanort's or Ansem's theme...But...
What happened to Xion here? How lucky, it's the PERFECT timing !
Aaaah, la musique pour la tristesse de Xion, it has Kaïri's theme and Dearly Beloved playing in it...
This thread is already long, and I should finish here. Take your time to think and hear about all this stuff and please tell me what you think of it.
Thank you so much for having read so far and sorry for the mistakes I might have made (even though I read the post like 30 times...) , you quite deserve a sea-salt ice-cream for that effort!
By the way, on another note, and if you have the heart to answer this after all this reading : there is an entry from Xion which left me puzzled:
The last sentence is quite "violent" (not sure if it's the right term but you get the feeling). It's just a short sentence, subject-verb, and I don't know about you, but I have the feeling it's quite important. If she is made of memories, wouldn't she dream of Kaïri's or Sora's dreams? is it hers or someone else's? The last part of this entry is so weird to my mind...what do you think about it?
Edit : Is it just me or the videos don't work? I can't figure out why it's doing that....
I warn you, this thread is looooong and there is no TLR, so make sure you have all your time to read it!
Anyway, first of all, I wanted to post this thread on the Days forum but I found out some weird stuff and I thought this will be a better place to talk about it. The logic of this might be a little awkward but please read till the end....which will take probably a long time... <
So, firstly, I never played KH days and I merely watched playthrough on youtube and the movie from KH 1.5 . Unfortunately, on these videos, you don't get the chance to look at the "secret" stuff, in this case, the secret reports. You can get them here. (They are also sorted by author.)
We know who is Xion, according to this wiki :
Spoiler Showshe's an imperfect Replica of Roxas created from his leaked memories as a fail-safe in case both Sora and Roxas proved to be useless to Organization XIII's plans. While this enables her to use the Keyblade, Xion's existence also halts Sora's progression of regaining his memories to fully awaken while in his pod, something which Naminé, DiZ, and Riku recognize.
As Sora's memories are the basis of her being, Xion initially resembles Kairi, who was Sora's strongest memory at the time of her birth, though her physical appearance eventually changes depending on who is viewing her and who they have connections with.
I read all of these reports and some little things rang a bell in my mind somehow. I'll begin with Xemnas's :
Day 7 : Meaning
A name defines an object. Describes the span of it. Gives it purpose. We embarked upon the Replica Program to ensure our new power stays ours. Now, our shadow puppet, "No. i," lives. It needs a name. Something to define it. To give the hollow vessel purpose.
Day 255: Final Stages
Xion's appearance should vary based on the relation of the viewer to her. Saïx sees her simply as a puppet. The Program approaches completion. Through Roxas, Xion is assembling a copy of the hero of the Keyblade. As proof, she sometimes appears to take on his form to my eyes.
Day 322: The Plan
Be they a puppet or the hero's Nobody, we merely need a functional Keyblade master. The details are unimportant. The puppet has developed to a point where the hero of the Keyblade may be entirely redundant. Indeed, perhaps we ought never allow Sora to awaken. He cannot be controlled. He will rise up against us. We must move our agenda ahead with that firmly in mind.
It might be something trivial, but why did he use her name and "she" on day 255? before and after that, he only uses "puppet" and "it". I found this quite awkward because it seems his second reports treats Xion as someone and not something like the two others.
When you read Saïx reports, it gets a little weirder. I'll begin on day 150 :
Day 150ealing with Xion
As expected, the Duplicate is starting to show its limits. The Program showed promise, but a puppet is just a puppet: something to be toyed with until it breaks. I am utterly at a loss as to what Roxas and Axel see in that thing. How best to dispose of it merits my consideration going forward.
Day 171: The No. i Project
Xion failed to complete its mission. If this continues, destroying it and using the next Replica as the Duplicate would undoubtedly yield a higher-grade copy. No. i was among the initial lot, which naturally raises questions about its capabilities. At present, it is nothing short of broken. I cannot fathom why Xemnas would want to keep it.
Indeed, why haven't they (well, especially Xemnas since he seems to be the one to keep her) replaced her if something better could have been made? According to Saïx, it seems Vexen was not that important in the Replica Program, as he wrote that the next Replica should be used (is he talking about Riku replica?). But then, did SaÏx truly knew all about the project?
This part is even more strange :
Day 174: Just a Replica
Xion continues to sleep. All analysis on its function suggests no marked change. The copying appears to be working, but a Replica is a Replica. My latest report to Xemnas on this net me no clear answers. He simply stood, smiling. At times I find his thinking impenetrable.
Smiling? what the duck?? I mean, it could have been a smirk , a grin, a sneer whatever I don't know, but a smile? The japanese part goes like this :明確な返答は得られず、笑うだけだった。 "Warau" can be written in two different ways 笑う or 嗤う. The former actually means "to smile, to laugh" while the latter means "to sneer". So they purposely showed it was a smile, which is more sincere than a sneer (YRLY). Why then? (perhaps he was thinking of something else, although I highly doubt it).
Furthermore, it shows that Xemnas is most likely leading all of this alone. Xigbar's reports enhance this fact and show that there is something strange between Xion and Xemnas :
Day 256: Who We Each See
Xion's disappearance is fascinating. If she really is breaking from our control, it's a sign of her approaching the essence of the hero. It seems Saïx doesn't truly "see" her. I'm curious to know how she appears to the others. I see her as...him, though I suspect that Xemnas sees entirely something else in her.
Xigbar thinks Xemnas sees something else in her. When Xigbar says "something else in her", I thought he was talking about something as in something useful. However, the japanese part goes like this : 俺には奴に見えるが、おそらくゼムナスにはまた違った姿に見えているんだろう。(I can see him (that guy) but, as for Xemnas, he's probably seeing a (whole?) different figure/appearance.) So, I don't know if that sentence puzzled anyone, it's more like an information...but oh well....
Anyway, this report was written one day after Xemnas's (the one he speaks of Xion as someone). So Xemnas sees a girl, that's sure but who exactly?
Day 296: Hidden Truths
None of us really know everything that's going on in Castle Oblivion. Some rooms even Xemnas doesn't know about. Not many are even aware that Xion was born there. I wonder if the truth about that place will ever surface.
Yeah, we might probably know in KHIII because (highlight) Xion appeared in both Coded and 3D and in 3D, she is seen in front of Xigbar and on the DI.. Anyway, only speculations and theories can come out of this so, let's continue.
Axel's reports point out that Xion might be totally someone else, although he first saw someone looking like Naminé :
Day 74: Xion's Face
Honestly, I never got why Roxas was so crazy about Xion. I know they both joined up around the same time, and they're both rookies, but how do you get so close to somebody who hides their face all the time? Well, I saw it today. All of a sudden, No. XIV up and takes off...her hood. Xion is a girl, and she looks just like Naminé.
I like the way he says " Xion is a girl"...No, really? come on, you guys wear high-heel and breasts sometimes?
Day 172: Meaning Behind the Words
There has to be something to what Saïx said. Why isn't Xion qualified to be one of us? He said to just look at her, but at what? The fact that she looks like Naminé? Xion and Naminé must be connected. Whose Nobody is Xion, anyway? What is Saïx hiding?
At that time, Axel did know about the Replica program but not about Xion, for him, he saw her as someone. That's why he thinks Saïx is hiding something (but Saïx's report on day 174 might states that things might be hidden to him as well).
Anyway, here's the most interesting part :
Day 194: The Replica
I thought I'd never see the word "Replica" again. Any rational man would realize the Riku Replica was not likely unique, but I'm the only one in the Organization who knew of his exceptional copying functionality, and that he ultimately formed a sense of self. The fact that I knew all that and still never noticed the truth about Xion speaks to how remarkable a Replica she must be.
But my questions remain unanswered. Who is she a Replica of? Naminé? Kairi? Or perhaps someone entirely different? Why did the Organization admit her into this membership? And why would such a fine Replica fall unconscious or sporadically lose its command of the Keyblade?
That part is quite interesting because it shows that for Axel, Repliku was imperfect contrary to Xion but he had exceptional copying functionnality (personally , I don't get that part). However, was it because he looked exactly like the original Riku? in fact, the Replica encountered Riku quite a lots of time. People mostly thinks that Xion looks like Kaïri (and like Naminé from Axel pov), but the fact is she developed a sense of self at the beginning : she was, and people knew she was Xion. And when she went to pay a visit to Naminé, she didn't find any resemblance with her, well, she didn't have a problem with her... Furthermore, Xion is left-handed, no one else is (except Ventus, but only in early development); but her looks might match Kaïri's ( you'll notice it's a mirror of Kaïri's first haircut...somehow, mostly for the bangs ) although, IMO, her personality is quite different from Kaïri's and slightly looks like Sora's/Roxas's. ( She is shy (well, in the beginning...yes), but she is strong-minded, she's a fighter, she has her own free will (that's the point of her story, you'll tell me...yes)).
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Anyway, Axel adds the possibility that she might be the Replica of someone else, something that might not be because of her looks. But there are few differences with Kaïri or Sora....What is the strangest for me is that she is left-handed...
I intended to end the thread here and ask for your opinions, if it was the developer's intentions to blur the origin of Xion with no real intention to dig any further or if it was made on purpose. But before I was going to write that down, I stumbled upon the strangest "thing" (I'm typing "thing" quite a lots of time, no? <XP ) ...
The logic might confuse you, but it's necessary.
When I played Birth by Sleep (I remind you I never played or watched KH Days until recently), I found quite interesting to have Xehanort's theme slightly looking like Strange Whispers (Ansem Sod 's theme plays in the beginning of Xehanort's theme, it's quite noticeable).
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I wanted to put kh 1.5 soundtrack of Strange Whispers but I couldn't find it anywhere, so if you want to hear it, go to 00:49:20 on this video. You can notice the bass notes being played for both of them.
Now, play Xehanort's theme once more, the beginning is Ansem's theme, ok. But memorize the oboe part running from 00:10 to 00:30. It's SOOO important !
Now, Kh days features Xemnas's theme. At first, I find it really weird for him not to have something similar with Xehanort's or Ansem's theme...But...
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The overall music is oppressive, right....listen carefully from 00:48 to 1:13...listen the pipe organ part several times and plays Xehanort's oboe part. You noticed? The rhythm is slow and the music scale is less low-pitched than Xehanort's, and I must admit that I had to listen closely to notice the similarity.
In fact, this melody can be found in Xemnas's "disappeared" theme. It's quite obvious. In fact, the violins play it first from 00:51 to 1:12. Then the clarinet plays it from 1:37 from 1:56.
You can also find the melody in Forze del male from 00:45 to 00:56 and again from 1:29 to 1:41.
And finally in Guardando nel Buio from 00:43 to 00:52 and it repeats its last part till 1:00. You might hear the melody quite a lots of time, but do you have a good hearing? As I'm not an expert in music theory, I cannot make a music sheet (but if one can do it, I'll be glad to have it posted ) , and know the place of each note precisely, but if you listen to the moments a note will go up and when it will go down the music scale, you will be able to hear it more easily. If you can't get it, I'll try to make (sort of) one.
(In my view, the part from 1:40 to 1:46, which goes very fast, bears a similarity with the melody, but that's an opinion.)
What happened to Xion here? How lucky, it's the PERFECT timing !
Aaaah, la musique pour la tristesse de Xion, it has Kaïri's theme and Dearly Beloved playing in it...
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Little Xion has a lovely theme, everyone loves it, it's calm, serene...
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the violin at 00:25 ~ 00:44 and at 1:11 ~ 1:28
Hear the Xehanort's and Xemnas's part several times.
Shimomura is playing on the rhythm, the music scales and she uses different insrtuments, it makes the melody less noticeable this way, you must first of all be able to place the notes (is it higher-pitched or lower-pitched than the one you've just heard, that kind of stuff....)
aaaah loverly Xion, she has such an epic battle theme!
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violins from 00:10 to 00:20 (ends on a higher note) it repeats till 00:30 (on a lower note)
piano from 00:30 to 00:41
Shimomura is a musical mastermind, even if here, it is quite simple to notice a melody (when you pay attention of course!), here ut's only music links but she has a gift for telling stories through her music. If it interests some of you, I might post a thread on several music with a strange story being told by the instruments. You might think I'm crazy, but I'm sure I could puzzle more than one of you people.
Now, remember all the reports things? Xemnas having a strange behavior about Xion and Xigbar and Saïx being doubtful about this?
Why Xion theme has this melody playing in it? If you find other connections with this, please let me know!
This thread is already long, and I should finish here. Take your time to think and hear about all this stuff and please tell me what you think of it.
Thank you so much for having read so far and sorry for the mistakes I might have made (even though I read the post like 30 times...) , you quite deserve a sea-salt ice-cream for that effort!
By the way, on another note, and if you have the heart to answer this after all this reading : there is an entry from Xion which left me puzzled:
Day 151: These Dreams
I wasn't ready to see Roxas again. I can't help but compare us. We both use the Keyblade, but we're so different. Does he dream? It seems like that's all I do anymore. Last night I dreamt of the ocean. I was drowning.
The last sentence is quite "violent" (not sure if it's the right term but you get the feeling). It's just a short sentence, subject-verb, and I don't know about you, but I have the feeling it's quite important. If she is made of memories, wouldn't she dream of Kaïri's or Sora's dreams? is it hers or someone else's? The last part of this entry is so weird to my mind...what do you think about it?
Edit : Is it just me or the videos don't work? I can't figure out why it's doing that....
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