His kingdom when complete will be a perfect one. One with subjects do not question their king, and where everyone lives in peace. Heck, even death will be done away with. It is by no means a crumbling kingdom.
Perfect beings with perfect kingdoms have no need whatsoever to prove points to anyone. They're perfect like that.
The Bible says God is perfect in his ways. This means he is a god of Justice. His choice in the matter of deciplining Adam and Even was only right and fair. They knew the consequences. So it is their OWN fault. Stop placing the blame on God. As for his angels, they are like humans in the way that they are free moral agents. They have free will just as we do. Why, a third of them followed and rebelled alongside Satan. So yes, considering them and their thoughts is what he rightfully did.
Is it right and fair because God did it, or does the idea of right and fair exist outside of God?
Also, I didn't blame God here, I said that the way you depict him just makes him sound like a human king. He's doing things humans would do because they must protect their power. God would explain things to his angels, and is his explanation is perfect (which it should be since he's perfect), the loyal angels would have no trouble understanding.
And instead, the Angels in all throughout the Holy Book are praising God for his acts, claiming his ways are perfect and just and loving, and that he alone deserves the worship of ALL creation. He did create them btw.
Just like every other human king, he has his loyalists which speak only praises for him, and the rebels who speak only ill of him. I fail to see anything divine here.
First of all, Adam was no young babe. He had the time to have a relationship with God, no his righteous ways and rules, name ALL of the animals.
Did he name the platypus? I thought not. He named like 5 indigenous animals, then called it a day.
By no means was Adam "1 day old". Also, God does not see what his creation will do.
Like I said, this requires no omniscience, only common sense. Like HB just said, if God gave his creations free will, then it stands to follow there's a very strong chance they go against his will, especially if you put the evil tree of evil in the middle of the Garden.
That defeats the whole purpose. I think thats a problem that you and MANY MANY other athiest have. The believe God to have things predestine or to know ever thing that is going to happen to the last detail.
Uh, no. I merely adopt the pov of God being omniscient if I'm debating someone who believes that. If I'm debating you, I adopt the pov of God thinking "Gee, a third of my angels rebelled, maybe these new kids on the block could too. Especially if the evil tree of evil is there".
While that is certainly not beyond his powers (see Prophecies), he CHOOSES not to. Proverbs 27:11- "Be wise, my son and make my heart rejoice.." The God may be Almighty and does have certain things predestined, such as the destruction of the wicked, the promised paradise and the annihilation of Satan, there is nothing to imply he see everything we do on an individual basis so PLEASE STOP assuming he does. He did NOT create Adam and Eve knowing that they would've sinned.
And that's your belief. Others believe that absolute perfection means perfect knowledge too. Others believe that he is not omnipotent at all, just very powerful. Others believe he made the Earth then left the Universe.
So what? I believe
nothing of what I have said in this debate because I am adopting a pov that is not my own. My pov is that the divine is a combination of mankind's ignorance in the ancient ages com and a human's natural fear of death, loneliness and hopelessness.
the fact of the matter is that someone with an IQ of 80 knows that if you put rat poison on your 5-year old's room and tell him "Don't touch the rat poison", the kid will touch the rat poison. This is known as curiosity, a trait that God must've knowingly created since you say he created humanity. If God creates curiosity in humans then puts the Gian Tree of Evil Perdition all tasty like in the middle of the Garden, tells them not to eat it, and
then allows a talking serpent in the perfect Garden so it can seduce his newborns, without even thinking of the very strong possibility that they might just eat the rotten apple, then damn, he's not as smart as we thought.
Sure. Mankind has come along way, but also shows that it is impossible to get along as a whole. Just look at all of those things that you meantioned. Yes, great and wonderful accomplishments of men, but imagine that on a perfect level, which is what God's original and current plan is. So imagine all of those you meantioned...without the war, famine, disease and death.
Sorry, all are necessary. You cannot enjoy food with hunger. You cannot appreciate peace for what it is without war. You cannot revel in your good health without disease. And life would most certainly be meaningless without death.
We're not perfect, and thank goodness. Perfection means that there is nothing left to change, nothing left to improve. If there was a God, I could understand perfectly why the Universe is so imperfect: an immortal, unchanging, perfect existence sounds very sad and very lonely.
The sermon on the mount is what we need.
But of course, why do I ask? You want us to meet
God's standards, not our own. Going with your analogy of the teacher, the students no longer have to take the ex-teacher's test.