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But Unbirth =/= Soul.
Otherwise, they'd not be extinct.
unbirth is not the soul maybe
Pinwheel is wrong.
Souls =/= Unbirth
This theory was disproven long ago back when people were making "Dis-soul' theories.
fixdSoul (=) Unbirth
Soul+? = Unbirth?...
If the life dies when the soul leaves the H+B, what happens to it? Where does it come from to join the H+B and be born?
Heart= Heartless
Body= without the soul perish
Soul= Possibly "unbirths"
Body+Soul= Nobody
Body+Heart= Death
Heart+Soul= ? also think this could form an unbirth
The soul could be the unbirths.
Soul equal life, birth
Soul leaves the body death, unbirth
fixed...1. Death = Unbirth.
2. They'd not be extinct if it was as simple as the soul unless the events of bbs changes this.
3. Heart would die as well, there'd be no Heart+Soul unless the heart and soul create a vessel to hold themselves.
4. Unbirths are not a naturally occuring process as the heartless are. They can't reproduce like the heartless because souls dont pop out of nowhere so i guess they dont reproduce.
Born,Life=Unborn,Death.5. Don't be a Yannis. Death does not equate to Unbith. The opposite of Birth isn't death, Life is the opposite of death. death does not factor into the Unbirth equation.
Clearly your not right.You're wrong. the Unbirths are not Souls.
Oooh looks like im going to try to prove it.the idea of a soul enemy has been disproven long before you joined.
If you see it as un = opposite and the opposite of born is death than its pretty much going to stay the same to me.i like your theory, but i think it may fit better if we realize that Dead is NOT to be unborn;
When someone dies the body cease to exist.Dead is the last step, just after bein alive, so... i think that unbirths are just the souls before they are attached to a body (and a heart), that would explain why unbirths are not created when someone dies and that wont oppose to your theory of what happened to them.
when someone dies it is because the soul ceaset to exist too.
Here he goes again.
fixed...
Born,Life=Unborn,Death.
Clearly your not right.
Oooh looks like im going to try to prove it.
If they were the soul then they couldnt reproduce because the soul is acquired during birth.Can't they reproduce? It would make it alot easier to explain if they could... they were simply exterminated by people.
How in the world am i wrong.And there you go again spreading your souls = Unbirths propaganda again despite the fact that you're clearly wrong.
Well you have yet to prove me wrong.Why fix what wasn't broken.
To Un born to take away, to stop,undo. To undo a birth is death.No, Unborn would equate to Pre life. You're talking about death, a process that comes after life. Thus, by your own chicanery, you're wrong.
Cant you say its possible.Except that I am, and I proved I was using your own "logic"
Although i dont know how they would be extinct doesnt mean im not right.You already did through semantics only to find out that if your theory is indeed correct that Unbirths wouldn't be extinct.
If they were the soul then they couldnt reproduce because the soul is acquired during birth.
How in the world am i wrong.
Well you have yet to prove me wrong.
To Un born to take away, to stop,undo. To undo a birth is death.
Cant you say its possible.
Although i dont know how they would be extinct doesnt mean im not right.
Im assuming.We don't know at what point the fetus obtains a soul, but that is an irrelevant point.
Nice point.(sarcastic)1. Just by being you.
I knew i shouldve study.(sarcastic)2. By not being me.
Hmm...I still think im right.3. you're saying that Souls = Unbirths.
If you say so.I have, but you have yet to accept it.
Unless you cant reverse a birth but if death accords then it is as if your taking the life from the person by taking the one thing that gives life or birth. Birth, the soul is given. Death the soul is taken. So to undo a birth is to take the soul back.Nooooooo, to undo a birth is a pre-life. A stage before birth. Undo means to take away something previous. To undo a birth would result in a life form existing before a baby.
Maybe just the souls from that world.The Soul splits from the body and goes to Olympus Coliseum. there, the soul rests for all eternity.
Well i dont want you to be a liar.I could, but I'd be lying.
Actually no because of the lack of info.Actually, that would.
Depending on the process that the soul goes through to become a unbirth is in question. Maybe the process is changed because of the events in BBS which stops the unbirths from being recreated.IF in the completely hypothetical situation that the Unbirths were in fact souls, there would still be Unbirths around now. But as we can clearly see, there are no Unbirths.
I agree they dont reproduce if they were to be the soul.And judging by how there is no Unbirths left, that proves that Unbirths can't corrupt people into becoming Unbirths like Heatless can. They don't reproduce themselves, otherwise, they'd not be extinct.
Could be one way but i still say it has something to do with the soul. Since BBS seems to have death in it.That leaves only one option; they are artificially created. They were not given the ability to corrupt/reproduce as the heartless. More than likely, they were created by Master Xehanort. And since he's dead/fusion'd/whatever, there is no way for anyone without the knowledge to create them, to do so.
Okay.Now if Xehanort regained Master Xehanort's memories, I don't doubt for a second that we could POSSIBLY see Unbirths, but that's still a long way off.
I know...See, people still die. Not everyone goes on to become a heartless/nobody.
And if they die, that means the soul is removed from their body.
Um...Lets see (Where heartless in BBS) NO (Where their darkness within peoples heart)YESThus, that'd result in an Unbirth, but as I've said before, Unbirths aren't a natural process as the Heartless have become.
Their is always an exception which has been proven multiple times in KH.Unbirths are extinct. They aren't the souls. They can't be the souls because they'd not have gone extinct in the first place.
The process wouldnt break it. Besides the heartless was the heart it was simple that the nobody was the body and soul.Kingdom Hearts is an abstract game. For the Unbirths to be something as simple as the soul, would break the abstract pattern.
Not if the unbirths are wild and the heartless attack on instinct.Furthermore, the Unbirth are predecessors to Heartless AND Nobody. If they were only the Soul, there'd be no connection to the Heartless. Besides, there's been an enemy to use the Soul; the Nobodies.
Hmm...I still think im right.
Unless you cant reverse a birth but if death accords then it is as if your taking the life from the person by taking the one thing that gives life or birth. Birth, the soul is given. Death the soul is taken. So to undo a birth is to take the soul back.
Maybe just the souls from that world
Well i dont want you to be a liar.
Actually no because of the lack of info.
Depending on the process that the soul goes through to become a unbirth is in question. Maybe the process is changed because of the events in BBS which stops the unbirths from being recreated.
Could be one way but i still say it has something to do with the soul. Since BBS seems to have death in it.
Um...Lets see (Where heartless in BBS) NO (Where their darkness within peoples heart)YES
So their could be a way unbirths are a natural process.
Their is always an exception which has been proven multiple times in KH.
The process wouldnt break it. Besides the heartless was the heart it was simple that the nobody was the body and soul.
Not if the unbirths are wild and the heartless attack on instinct.
"shrug"Most wrong people do.
But you cant reverse a birth they only way to take the soul back is through death.That's what you were saying. To be Unborn would be reversing Birth.
Doesn't matter though; Unborn and Unbirth are two different things.
Their extinct even so like i said something in bbs screwed up the process.And again, the soul, along with memories, are not strong enough to hold form. Otherwise, we'd have seen it already.
I was thinking the same thing.It seems you're still not understanding what I'm saying.
But you cant take the develop of the body back but if death occurs then the soul is taken back.Undoing a birth would not result in death, it'd result in pre life.
Still borns. Are babies that die during birth. So birth occurs then death, undoing the birth.Now the taking of a soul AFTER birth would result in death, but that's not undoing birth. That's ending life.
Thats like saying where do souls come from.And that'd leave billions of souls without a final resting place. That is of course IF there's no heaven or hell. Where would dead people go after they die? They don't take up lives of their own.
Take your own advice.Well take your false propaganda elsewhere.
Of course their extinct because of the events in bbs.Actually yes. The Unbirths are extinct.
They dont have to mean the same thing they just have to relate to each other.Of which would have been a forced process. Dead people wouldn't become Unbirths. Dead and Unbirth do NOT mean the same thing.
Well if death is involved with the unbirth then yes.Yes, BBS does involve death, but to make death a major theme?
You're just stretching.
Ive already explained this,No, because if it were, then there'd still be Unbirth.
Now they are but werent back then. Because of the UNBIRTHS.And Heartless are natural NOW.
You have no idea.I severely think you misunderstand me now.
:lol:Let's say that you are right
Okay...That they were a natural part of life; death.
MX took advantage of this and found a way for the dead to do his bidding.
Then MX defeated himself [because TAV can't do it]
If MX had them to do their bidding they had no reason to exist.Then where are the Unbirths?If Unbirths are a natural part of life, then where are they?
Maybe because of that reason.I mean, if they are the starting point for heartless and nobodies, then why did they end?
You miss my point, Im saying the unbirth is the soul but i didnt say what is applied to it to change the soul.Again, you miss my point.
An entity solely of heart + darkness. Abstract.
An entity of a body + soul. Abstract.
An entity comprised completely of soul. Not Abstract.
Will see...Aside from the fact that it's already used in the cosmology, the soul is not a corporeal entity like the heart and shell.
If bbs involves death then its going to come up. Either way the soul substains life you say, if the soul is applied to something such as darkness could it take on form i would say yes but i cant be sure at this point.The soul is a non corporeal energy powering the body. There's a reason why it's never come up before. Because it's not important. The soul only gives life to which it clings to. It can't take a form of it's own because all it does is sustain life.
The soul aint abstract you got to be joking, it is abstract.The soul by itself is not abstract. It's plain. A heart is abstract. A body and soul is abstract, but to a lesser extent than just a heart.
Life and birth occur around the same time.And still, you're mistaking life for Birth. Life and Birth are not the same thing.
Makes sense to me "Life by Death". But i see the title as hinting death in the story.Birth is the process after Pre-life and before Life. Life and Birth are two different things. Besides, the game is called "Birth by Sleep" not "Life by Death." The latter being the concept you're trying to sell.
Doesnt mean it isnt important.Yes, death will occur in BBS.
Will it be a major theme? Don't be silly.
"freakin genius"No. That's stupid.
Thats just one.They have a larger connection than how they act.
Everyone knows i dont were a cloak its a leotard.Take off the Yannis cloak and not be so stu-
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But you cant reverse a birth they only way to take the soul back is through death.
Their extinct even so like i said something in bbs screwed up the process.
I was thinking the same thing.
But you cant take the develop of the body back but if death occurs then the soul is taken back.
Still borns. Are babies that die during birth. So birth occurs then death, undoing the birth
Thats like saying where do souls come from.
Take your own advice.
Of course their extinct because of the events in bbs.
They dont have to mean the same thing they just have to relate to each other
Well if death is involved with the unbirth then yes.
Ive already explained this,
Now they are but werent back then. Because of the UNBIRTHS.
You have no idea
:lol:
If MX had them to do their bidding they had no reason to exist.
Maybe because of that reason
You miss my point, Im saying the unbirth is the soul but i didnt say what is applied to it to change the soul.
Will see...
If bbs involves death then its going to come up. Either way the soul substains life you say, if the soul is applied to something such as darkness could it take on form i would say yes but i cant be sure at this point.
The soul aint abstract you got to be joking, it is abstract.
Life and birth occur around the same time
Makes sense to me "Life by Death". But i see the title as hinting death in the story.
Doesnt mean it isnt important.
"freakin genius"
Thats just one.