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So, ever since I watched the secret ending to BBS, I was intrigued by Master Xehanort’s mentioning of the other roads he had. I suspected that the Mysterious Figure would also be connected to one of the “other roads” he had set. Now I’ve come up with a theory that is so simple but I believe it to make since.

The Mysterious Figure is….*Drumroll*….. Master Xehanort’s Nobody! Ahh I can hear the groans. I know you’re going to say something like nobodys weren’t around because there were no heartless. And yes, this is true, before the experiments done by Apprentice Xehanort and company, heartless were nonexistent. But why does that eliminate the possibility of a Nobody being created? A nobody by definition is the body and soul of a being, reborn in a different realm (SAR 7). Now while MX never turned into a heartless, he did release his heart when he attacked himself with the keyblade. In the cutscene where this occurs you see MX body disappear its very similar to the way Sora’s body disappears in KH1. And we all know what came about from that one decision by Sora (roxas, namine, etc.).

And why would Master Xehanort risk everything on releasing his heart from his body? What if it didn’t merge with Terras heart or something. As MX said he had to have made certain that he had another road, and this could be it.
And to explain why it’s the MF I really have no proof, but really, does anybody for their theories on this person? The only thing that I can come up with is the fact that the MF does not wield a keyblade and his attack movements are very similar to Xemnas.

Unfortunately, this theory is not complete. I haven’t thought of how this would relate to BBS Vol 2 other than this nobody of MX being the main antagonist. Also, it doesn’t explain why we’ve never seen him in other games. But if my theory is correct, BBSV2 would explain everything.

Let me know what you think

I might add to this later also
 

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"I agree with it being Eraqus's something. The figure uses etheral blades, which Xemnas gets from Eraqus. These blades and his other moves are a manifestation of Eraqus's abilities of Light.

However, his heart left his body, which is what I see as a Nobody factor. This is Eraqus's Nobody made of his body. He did not give into any darkness.

PS. Ok, when we say someones nobody relating to Apprentice Xehanort, first and foremost, it is Apprentice Xehanort's Nobody. This must be said. After that, we can say it is Apprentice Xehanort's Nobody made of Terra's heart, which has Eraqus in it. I do not believe Xemnas is MX's nobody, which is to say he does not have one."

This is what I said in the "Theory" thread.

I am curious though, to see how that was a backup for MX. If he created a nobody in the past, then yeah, sure. But we don't know that he's done that, and have no proof to believe that. I don't think he was going to just up and use his heart to find the nobody he just created and take that body from it.
 

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Now while MX never turned into a heartless, he did release his heart when he attacked himself with the keyblade. In the cutscene where this occurs you see MX body disappear its very similar to the way Sora’s body disappears in KH1. And we all know what came about from that one decision by Sora (roxas, namine, etc.).

Sora's Heartless also came out of that decision. For a Nobody to be born, a Heartless must also be born. This is why neither Kairi nor Riku created Nobodies when their hearts left their bodies.
 

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Sora's Heartless also came out of that decision. For a Nobody to be born, a Heartless must also be born. This is why neither Kairi nor Riku created Nobodies when their hearts left their bodies.
Well Kairi's kind of a special entity and when did Riku's heart leave his body? And of course MX's nobody wouldn't be a normal nobody, it would be another one of those "special nobodies."
 

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Well Kairi's kind of a special entity and when did Riku's heart leave his body? And of course MX's nobody wouldn't be a normal nobody, it would be another one of those "special nobodies."

XH kicked Riku's heart out of his body before fighting with Sora in KH1.

Regardless, all special Nobodies had Heartless involved. Roxas and Namine had Heartless Sora, and Xemnas had XH.
 

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Sora's Heartless also came out of that decision. For a Nobody to be born, a Heartless must also be born. This is why neither Kairi nor Riku created Nobodies when their hearts left their bodies.

Kairi has no darkness so a heartless or nobody werent possible
Riku didnt make one because Ansem SoD was invading his body at the time, Rikus body didnt become a nobody but a host, its the same thing that happens to terra exept he gets kicked out as oppose to constantly struggling or fusing together
 

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XH kicked Riku's heart out of his body before fighting with Sora in KH1.

Regardless, all special Nobodies had Heartless involved. Roxas and Namine had Heartless Sora, and Xemnas had XH.
Yes, this is all true ( I simply for got about the whole Riku/XH thing ). But in defense of my theory, heartless were not around in BBS time, so all those instances where special nobodies were created; a heartless was involved because there could be, not because it had to be (If that makes any sense).

EDIT: and also what gxyoumo14 said about Riku and Ansem SoD.
 

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XH kicked Riku's heart out of his body before fighting with Sora in KH1.

Regardless, all special Nobodies had Heartless involved. Roxas and Namine had Heartless Sora, and Xemnas had XH.

Ugh, I feel like I'm picking on you.

Well, the reason a heartless creates a nobody is because the heart leaves the body, leaving a soul and a body if the soul is strong enough. This just happens to be the case when a heartless is created.

I believe Ansem SoD, being a manifested heart, just put his heart into Riku's body like we see MX do. He did not kick Riku's heart out, it just goes with your theory on sleeping and waking hearts. Riku's heart was awake, but Ansem SoD had more darkness.

The trick is that MX and Ansem get Terra/Riku to give into the darkness, knowing that they have more darkness inside themselves, then they take over the body and gain control because they had more darkness to begin with.

"a heartless was involved because there could be, not because it had to be (If that makes any sense)."
This is what I am saying. Honestly, there was a little too much going on in that whole KH1 heart exchange, I don't really keep up with it.
 

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But did MX become a Heartless, if no, how can he has a Nobody?
 

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But did MX become a Heartless, if no, how can he has a Nobody?

This is why saying Xehanort's Heartless and Xehanort's Nobody is important. MX's heart is inside of Terra, and all that crap happens and they end up locked in there with MX's heart inside of Terra's body, but Terra's heart in there too with Eraqus's heart inside of Terra's and the body being carried by MX's soul.

Ansem SoD is MX's heartless using MX's heart, but it is still Xehanort's heartless. Xemnas is Xehanort's nobody, using Terra's heart and body, which has Eraqus inside of it.

It is pretty screwed up.
 

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Actually, it was his Heart in Riku's Body.
 

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Yay, triple-quoting :3

Kairi has no darkness so a heartless or nobody werent possible
Riku didnt make one because Ansem SoD was invading his body at the time, Rikus body didnt become a nobody but a host, its the same thing that happens to terra exept he gets kicked out as oppose to constantly struggling or fusing together

Having no body to create a Nobody didn't stop Namine from being born. It's the process, not the ingredients.

Yes, this is all true ( I simply for got about the whole Riku/XH thing ). But in defense of my theory, heartless were not around in BBS time, so all those instances where special nobodies were created; a heartless was involved because there could be, not because it had to be (If that makes any sense).

Apprentice Xehanort and friends didn't change the laws of physics; the criteria to become a Heartless had always been the same. That, and a Nobody is born specifically when a heart rejects the body, not when a heart leaves the body (there's a difference). We've seen both types of situations before and after KH1, and only cases where hearts reject the bodies have created Nobodies.

Ugh, I feel like I'm picking on you.

That's fine; I enjoy the talk. :)

Well, the reason a heartless creates a nobody is because the heart leaves the body, leaving a soul and a body if the soul is strong enough. This just happens to be the case when a heartless is created.
It's the strength of heart that determines the existence of a Nobody, not the soul. Kairi's heart was strong enough to create a Nobody when it left her body, yet it didn't create one.

I believe Ansem SoD, being a manifested heart, just put his heart into Riku's body like we see MX do. He did not kick Riku's heart out, it just goes with your theory on sleeping and waking hearts. Riku's heart was awake, but Ansem SoD had more darkness.
He kicked it out; We see Riku roaming the RoD as a floating/walking heart.
 

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Actually, it was his Heart in Riku's Body.

We have 3 "his" here, man. Elaborate please.

"He kicked it out; We see Riku roaming the RoD as a floating/walking heart."

If that is the case, I am wrong.

"It's the heart that determines the existence of a Nobody, not the soul."

If that was the case, then there could not be any Nobodies formed by a Heartless being created, because the heart is being consumed by darkness and becoming a Heartless.

A beings will has to be strong enough to carry on without the heart, and by will they mean soul. The body cannot carry on on its on without a soul, at all. Even with a heart, the soul is life. There could not be a soul and a heart because there is nothing to house it. There can be a soul alone as the soul is eternal, but it will wander.

A Nobody is a body and a soul. Always (except Namine...sigh..and maybe Roxas).

"That, and a Nobody is born specifically when a heart rejects the body, not when a heart leaves the body (there's a difference). We've seen both types of situations before and after KH1, and only cases where hearts reject the bodies have created Nobodies."

That may be true. Can you give examples of a heart leaving and a heart rejecting a body?
 
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Like I think I tried to say: A Nobody doesn't neccessarily need a corresponding heartless. If the heart is rleased from the body, the body and sould can be reborn in the Realm of Nothingness, at least that is my theory.

Like Riku's case?
He is forcefully being kick out by Ansem SoD, thus No Heartless and Nobody created.
Honestly, i'm kind of agree with MF is MX's nobody because he is born in LoD which located in Realm in Between, and his X-attack maybe represent he is obsessed with X-blade.
 

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Like Riku's case?
He is forcefully being kick out by Ansem SoD, thus No Heartless and Nobody created.
Honestly, i'm kind of agree with MF is MX's nobody because he is born in LoD which located in Realm in Between, and his X-attack maybe represent he is obsessed with X-blade.

His heart wasn't being consumed by darkness: No heartless.

I need to get the whole body rejection thing clarified before I can answer the other part.
 

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If that was the case, then there could not be any Nobodies formed by a Heartless being created, because the heart is being consumed by darkness and becoming a Heartless.

What I meant is that a Nobody has to come from a strong heart.

A beings will has to be strong enough to carry on without the heart, and by will they mean soul. The body cannot carry on on its on without a soul, at all. Even with a heart, the soul is life. There could not be a soul and a heart because there is nothing to house it. There can be a soul alone as the soul is eternal, but it will wander.
Souls have never been measured in strength, but hearts have.

That may be true. Can you give examples of a heart leaving and a heart rejecting a body?
Heart leaving = Kairi's heart leaving her body, Riku's heart leaving his body
Heart Rejecting = Sora's heart becoming a Heartless
 

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What I meant is that a Nobody has to come from a strong heart.

Souls have never been measured in strength, but hearts have.

Heart leaving = Kairi's heart leaving her body, Riku's heart leaving his body
Heart Rejecting = Sora's heart becoming a Heartless

Ok, that clarifies the strong heart for me. But Sora wanted his heart to leave his body, and I would see rejection much more as Riku or Kairi heart leaving when they didn't want it to.
 

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Ok, that clarifies the strong heart for me. But Sora wanted his heart to leave his body, and I would see rejection much more as Riku or Kairi heart leaving when they didn't want it to.

I like to think of it this way:

Heart rejecting body due to darkness (in other words, Heartless): Fck off, body >: )
Heart leaving body: Bye...Nothing personal
 
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