I was musing the other day and was thinking about how memories and hearts are linked. Now even though the Organization did not have hearts could it be possible that they may have been connected some way to their hearts. I mean they each had memories of their past lives so that would leave the possibility that there is some connection. just thought it was interesting and would make a good conversation. I know that nobodies don't have hearts but what if there was an invisible tie to their hearts like a string or something. Please discuss and please keep it civil. Thanks.
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Okay, but doesn't Namine mess with the memories of one's heart. So maybe in the kingdom hearts universe the memory resides in the heart.
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No Namin`e only mess with the memories connected around Sora's heart.
Ex: Namin`e can also mess with kairi memories to because she is connected around sora's heart.
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Poppycock.
This.
Memories are connected to the Heart. When the Heart turns into a Heartless, the Darkness breaks the ties and leaves the Memories with the Nobody - thus they have Memories of their past selves and can act like they have Hearts - they remember the "act".
Sora proved as much, seeing how when he was purified of the Darkness, the Memories returned - and he had no soul to speak of.
No Namin`e only mess with the memories connected around Sora's heart.
Ex: Namin`e can also mess with kairi memories to because she is connected around sora's heart.
I don't think so. I think that she can change anyones memories because while in castle oblivion, donald and goofy were also having trouble remembering their friends. I just believe that Namine was forced to alter Sora's memories and because of that Sora, Donald, and Goofy are the only ones that she uses her powers on.
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Said in game (though hinted otherwise as well) -
Namine can alter Sora's Memories, as well as Memories belonging to those in contact with Sora.
Through the links between Sora's Heart and the Hearts of others, she can get to their Memories and alter them as well. That's how she affected Donald and Goofy, and that's how she affected Leon, Yuffie, Aerith, Cid, and everyone else who was in contact with Sora ever, Kairi and Riku included while both she, Sora and they were outside Castle Oblivion.
The reason why they probably act like they have Hearts is because of the memories they retained from their original selves.
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Well, it's an odd situation, actually. They don't have the Memories so they act accordingly, but the Memories are what enables them to act in that way.
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Uh did you play the game, because it is said in the game. lawlz
Exactly.Thanxs for proving my point.
i'm going to go with what SA said. good job, being so smart!
Namine could also implant memories into the Riku Replica even though it had no connection to Sora. I know you will say but the replica was based off of the real riku, and so was connected to Sora. But use this as an example if I were to go and see a genuine one of a kind painting. And then go and copy that painting almost exactly so that it looks like the real thing, it still doesn't have any connection to the actual painter of the genuine article aside from being an exact duplicate. The Riku Replica was a being that had no connection to Sora except for the fake memories that Namine implanted into him. Even though he walked and talked like Riku he still had no connection to Sora. Now if Namine could only change the memories in people that Sora was connected to then how did she implant fake memories into a lifeless,heartless husk of a being.
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1) The Organization did Memory experiments probably even without direct relation to Namine.
2) That example doesn't really hold basis, seeing how that's the state of affairs - they copied Riku, thus his bond to Sora. True, a copied painting has no relation to the original.
We're copying a Heart here, though, dammit.
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They acted as if they had memories to hide there nothingness, sorta like that.
1. How do you know they did memory experiments before Namine. That is just your guess and does not hold any proof.
2. Use this example then. Now a days You may clone a cat or dog. Now even though that clone is exactly like the original animal it still does not have any connection to the owner of the cloned animal, other than having the same DNA and yes heart.
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They were planning to move to Castle Oblivion before they even recruited Marluxia. That means it happened a lot before Namine was even born. No proof, true, but logical deduction - they found the castle and used it before they even knew of Namine. Namine came later.
You're doing the mistake so many people before you have done, and I will stop this foolhardy before it gets worse.
Real Life Logic does not apply for Kingdom Hearts.
You're saying in real life cloning someone won't clone the bonds of their Hearts.
Well, in real life, people don't turn into Heartless, don't leave Nobodies, and one can't just conveniently reach into another's "Heart" and rewrite his Memories as they see fit.
Yes Castle Oblivion was being used as a base of operations, but that doesn't mean that it was only used for memory experiments. It could have had other purposes that we never got to see.
Yes, I know kingdom hearts is fantasy and that real world logic does not always work in it. But I live in the real world so that is the best I can do. And the riku replica was based off of Riku's combat data. It was not a complete copy, just what Vexen gathered from Riku in the fight. It didn't even have a heart. It's sole purpose was combat nothing more.
Yes, I know kingdom hearts is fantasy and that real world logic does not always work in it. But I live in the real world so that is the best I can do. And the riku replica was based off of Riku's combat data. It was not a complete copy, just what Vexen gathered from Riku in the fight. It didn't even have a heart. It's sole purpose was combat nothing more.
Repliku had a heart.
Naminé smashed it, remember?
Naminé smashed it, remember?
The Riku Replica had a heart, albeit a fake one.
And, since in real life we do have a sense of imagination, we can think beyond the normal binds of reality to form a different logic specific to the KH universe. Though, I don't condone the fact that you tried to use other sources. In fact, it's a good idea to draw as many ideas as possible.
And, since in real life we do have a sense of imagination, we can think beyond the normal binds of reality to form a different logic specific to the KH universe. Though, I don't condone the fact that you tried to use other sources. In fact, it's a good idea to draw as many ideas as possible.
all right I misspoke. Repliku does have a heart, but that still didn't make him anything more than a tool.
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