I feel like I'm going to receive a lot of schlack for this, but its only my own thoughts on the subject. Many people, what seems to be the majority in fact, have already stated that they could care less about Ansem's apprentices or the somebodies of numbers 9-12 that we have yet to see or even hear about. If you are one of these people, then this thread is not for you.
This is a very hypothetical, spit-balling of ideas and should NOT be taken too seriously. Please.
I had originally planned to lop this topic onto another thread of my own, but that one turned out to be longer than expected. When it comes to why most people have expressed their disinterest in the matter, the two most common points I hear-- and have read-- is that they are unimportant to the plot and are pointless, and because there is such a big plot already built up that they wouldn't have a place in it-- then again, I suppose that's really only one reason. (I'm excluding the simple "Because I don't like the character" reason).
I personally would enjoy having all the somebodies back, a backstory isn't really needed, just their presence would be nice. I agree that incorporating Luxord, Demyx, and Larxene would be a bit more complicated than Marluxia. Why? Because how would they get there? Wouldn't they wake up in their own home worlds? Most likely. Which is why they could create the home worlds for these three, more original square worlds, or simply have the three show upin Traverse Town. Like I said, its more difficult to work in for those three. But wait-- Why would Sora and co. even bother going to these worlds?
Now, I can't dictate to you all the possible plot points in KH3--or even think of them for that matter-- but there are certain things we know have to be/ should be in the game: the realm of darkness and finding Ansem and Aqua, going to Castle Oblivion and getting Ven, having to visit the princesses of hearts' worlds, and the final keyblade war fight. Based on this alone, I certainly think there's enough space after the first two to take a small detour to the new worlds or traverse town to collect Demyx, Luxord, and Larxene in the process to help out. I mentioned in my other thread that the group will likely need help, considering all the enemies the 13 darknesses have or will have on their side, and maybe the somebodies could be future party members later in the game (which I sort of discussed in my other thread).
Like I said, I know this is sort of out there, I'm merely attempting to answer the what-ifs, possibilities, and hows I keep seeing andthat I have received before. Maybe the somebody and the world that the main character travels to in order to find them would be split amongst the three main stories.(Assuming there would be three separate stories for Sora, Riku, and Kairi-- Whoknows?) Why would their somebodies help? That I cannot answer fully; perhaps the main characters could convince them, perhaps they're feeling generous, perhaps they'd like to get back at Xehanort after discovering his true plan, perhaps Larxene would only after speaking to Lea/Marluxia.
Onto Marluxia, who I think is by far one of the most underappreciated characters in the series, and of the four unknown somebodies he undoubtedly has the most potential to become more involved. Why is that?Castle Oblivion of course; we know that at some point in the game Sora and Aqua will have to go return to Castle Oblivion to get Ven. While they're there, memories will probably begin to resurface within Sora, and he would remember the events that had occurred there-- Namine, Marluxia, choosing to go to sleep, everything. How does Marluxia actually become involved? Well, either because of the two possibilities already mentioned for the other somebodies, or something else I've thought about. Someone once brought up an interesting point to me when discussing Re: Chain of Memories, concerning the moment Sora locked the door after his fight with Marluxia. A lot of people have expressed that they didn't see the point of that, myself included, or said that Sora was sealing away the world (For some reason I don't think this is it, but that's just me.)
Marluxia did fade, yes, but someone had made the point that what if-- because Sora sealed it--Marluxia's soul had been trapped in the room/ Castle Oblivion; therefore, when the hearts were released at the end of KH2 and the somebodies begin to wake up in DDD, Marluxia wakes up in that room in Castle Oblivion, but trapped-- or just his heart/soul is. (I warned you guys this thread would be very out there).Sora and Aqua find the door and don't know why its sealed (Because Sora wouldn't remember) and open it, either because of sheer curiosity or because they need to get through there or something. Either releasing Marluxia's heart (to awaken him for later games) or come across a weak Marluxia himself (having been trapped in there for a while), possible fight ensues, return with both him and Ven because they couldn't just leave him there.
Where would Marluxia fit into the story? Definitely not as a distracter, we had enough of that from Pete and Maleficent in KH2 and we already have enough going on in KH3. He could be an ally like the other apprentices and aid them in the battle and whatnot. (Can't forget my partymember point). Why? Several possibilities: revenge (maybe Xigbar and Xehanort had set it up for him to lose his heart then conveniently found him so they could pick up a strong vessel) power, convinced, etc. Then he could remain as a sort of good guy like the others, or be a horrible person and do something at the end for his own benefit and break off, turn on them, and has the possibility of returning as an antagonist in future games. Good anti-hero material. We also can't forget that Marluxia originally planned to overthrow the Organization, but we were never given a reason why. This opens up a world of opportunity for his character, and there are many different ways he could become involved. Possible reasons? Power and Kingdom Hearts for himself (Probably their original, but I think its rather cliché) or he knew about the true plot--or at least that Xemnas was lying to them to some degree and that they would not actually get their hearts.
And finally, excluding Kingdom Hearts 3, the characters could appear in future titles. Antagonist or protagonists, who knows? I think this is the option that most people would prefer, but I personally think it would be nice to see them in KH3-- if not all of them, then at least Marluxia. In KH3 or in future titles I would definitely enjoy seeing all four of these characters again, I hate seeing characters abandoned.
This is a very hypothetical, spit-balling of ideas and should NOT be taken too seriously. Please.
I had originally planned to lop this topic onto another thread of my own, but that one turned out to be longer than expected. When it comes to why most people have expressed their disinterest in the matter, the two most common points I hear-- and have read-- is that they are unimportant to the plot and are pointless, and because there is such a big plot already built up that they wouldn't have a place in it-- then again, I suppose that's really only one reason. (I'm excluding the simple "Because I don't like the character" reason).
I personally would enjoy having all the somebodies back, a backstory isn't really needed, just their presence would be nice. I agree that incorporating Luxord, Demyx, and Larxene would be a bit more complicated than Marluxia. Why? Because how would they get there? Wouldn't they wake up in their own home worlds? Most likely. Which is why they could create the home worlds for these three, more original square worlds, or simply have the three show upin Traverse Town. Like I said, its more difficult to work in for those three. But wait-- Why would Sora and co. even bother going to these worlds?
Now, I can't dictate to you all the possible plot points in KH3--or even think of them for that matter-- but there are certain things we know have to be/ should be in the game: the realm of darkness and finding Ansem and Aqua, going to Castle Oblivion and getting Ven, having to visit the princesses of hearts' worlds, and the final keyblade war fight. Based on this alone, I certainly think there's enough space after the first two to take a small detour to the new worlds or traverse town to collect Demyx, Luxord, and Larxene in the process to help out. I mentioned in my other thread that the group will likely need help, considering all the enemies the 13 darknesses have or will have on their side, and maybe the somebodies could be future party members later in the game (which I sort of discussed in my other thread).
Like I said, I know this is sort of out there, I'm merely attempting to answer the what-ifs, possibilities, and hows I keep seeing andthat I have received before. Maybe the somebody and the world that the main character travels to in order to find them would be split amongst the three main stories.(Assuming there would be three separate stories for Sora, Riku, and Kairi-- Whoknows?) Why would their somebodies help? That I cannot answer fully; perhaps the main characters could convince them, perhaps they're feeling generous, perhaps they'd like to get back at Xehanort after discovering his true plan, perhaps Larxene would only after speaking to Lea/Marluxia.
Onto Marluxia, who I think is by far one of the most underappreciated characters in the series, and of the four unknown somebodies he undoubtedly has the most potential to become more involved. Why is that?Castle Oblivion of course; we know that at some point in the game Sora and Aqua will have to go return to Castle Oblivion to get Ven. While they're there, memories will probably begin to resurface within Sora, and he would remember the events that had occurred there-- Namine, Marluxia, choosing to go to sleep, everything. How does Marluxia actually become involved? Well, either because of the two possibilities already mentioned for the other somebodies, or something else I've thought about. Someone once brought up an interesting point to me when discussing Re: Chain of Memories, concerning the moment Sora locked the door after his fight with Marluxia. A lot of people have expressed that they didn't see the point of that, myself included, or said that Sora was sealing away the world (For some reason I don't think this is it, but that's just me.)
Marluxia did fade, yes, but someone had made the point that what if-- because Sora sealed it--Marluxia's soul had been trapped in the room/ Castle Oblivion; therefore, when the hearts were released at the end of KH2 and the somebodies begin to wake up in DDD, Marluxia wakes up in that room in Castle Oblivion, but trapped-- or just his heart/soul is. (I warned you guys this thread would be very out there).Sora and Aqua find the door and don't know why its sealed (Because Sora wouldn't remember) and open it, either because of sheer curiosity or because they need to get through there or something. Either releasing Marluxia's heart (to awaken him for later games) or come across a weak Marluxia himself (having been trapped in there for a while), possible fight ensues, return with both him and Ven because they couldn't just leave him there.
Where would Marluxia fit into the story? Definitely not as a distracter, we had enough of that from Pete and Maleficent in KH2 and we already have enough going on in KH3. He could be an ally like the other apprentices and aid them in the battle and whatnot. (Can't forget my partymember point). Why? Several possibilities: revenge (maybe Xigbar and Xehanort had set it up for him to lose his heart then conveniently found him so they could pick up a strong vessel) power, convinced, etc. Then he could remain as a sort of good guy like the others, or be a horrible person and do something at the end for his own benefit and break off, turn on them, and has the possibility of returning as an antagonist in future games. Good anti-hero material. We also can't forget that Marluxia originally planned to overthrow the Organization, but we were never given a reason why. This opens up a world of opportunity for his character, and there are many different ways he could become involved. Possible reasons? Power and Kingdom Hearts for himself (Probably their original, but I think its rather cliché) or he knew about the true plot--or at least that Xemnas was lying to them to some degree and that they would not actually get their hearts.
And finally, excluding Kingdom Hearts 3, the characters could appear in future titles. Antagonist or protagonists, who knows? I think this is the option that most people would prefer, but I personally think it would be nice to see them in KH3-- if not all of them, then at least Marluxia. In KH3 or in future titles I would definitely enjoy seeing all four of these characters again, I hate seeing characters abandoned.
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