So who do you think is the other 6 darknesses?

[Youniquee]

Do we have to go through.this again. Eraqus is gone, Terra is on the 13th Darkness, end of storu.

Actually, isn't Eraqus still in Terra's heart? So in some form, he is still alive. He is not completely gone. I think his heart could serve a purpose in helping Terra regain his body back, me thinks.

 

[Smithee]

Eraqus is not in 3D and there is no mention of him only the ones Sora has to save. Stop being such a bad Terra Fanboy and move on.

That's not proof.

Try again.

Actually, isn't Eraqus still in Terra's heart? So in some form, he is still alive. He is not completely gone. I think his heart could serve a purpose in helping Terra regain his body back, me thinks.

^ This.

 

[OathkeeperRoxas XIII]

That's not proof.

Try again.



^ This.

Why are you acting like a child just because.Terra lost. I watched all of Dream Drop Distance and did my research, face it, Terra is one of the 13th Darkness, MX said so. Just because one disagrees with me, didn't mean you have to kiss up and say this to a quote. We been over this, Sephiorth and others pointed it out and with most members having issues with characters not staying dead, better he stay dead.

 

[Smithee]

Why are you acting like a child just because.Terra lost. I watched all of Dream Drop Distance and did my research, face it, Terra is one of the 13th Darkness, MX said so. Just because one disagrees with me, didn't mean you have to kiss up and say this to a quote. We been over this, Sephiorth and others pointed it out and with most members having issues with characters not staying dead, better he stay dead.

Actually, I'm only disagreeing with you about Eraqus being gone, nothing to do with Terra. And I'm not kissing up to Youniquee, I'm telling her that she understands what I'm talking about.

Also, if I recall, I wasn't even talking to you in the first place. SoRoXion wanted to know a way Terra could be freed, and so I explained a way. It had nothing to do with you, so stop flaming and get a life.

 

[Xaldyn]

You two sound like kids. You both seem to take such strong opinions on the matter. Why can't you two agree to disagree and let the story be the judge of who's right? I mean once upon a time Xehernort being the MF in BBS using time travel was ridiculous and wasn't accepted as a good theory! Don't you understand theories is theories till proven right or wrong. No reason to fight over them.

 

[Youniquee]

Why are you acting like a child just because.Terra lost. I watched all of Dream Drop Distance and did my research, face it, Terra is one of the 13th Darkness, MX said so. Just because one disagrees with me, didn't mean you have to kiss up and say this to a quote. We been over this, Sephiorth and others pointed it out and with most members having issues with characters not staying dead, better he stay dead.

No offence, but you need to calm down...

I'm not saying Eraqus will come back alive, but his heart will help Terra in some way later down the line. He's apart of darknesses for now but I doubt he'll be on their side forever.

You two sound like kids. You both seem to take such strong opinions on the matter. Why can't you two agree to disagree and let the story be the judge of who's right? I mean once upon a time Xehernort being the MF in BBS using time travel was ridiculous and you wasn't accepted as a good theory! Don't you understand theories is theories till proven right or wrong. No reason to fight over them.

What he said~
Everything is speculation for now, no one is right or wrong. It's just a game. We should have fun discussing it, not arguing.

 

[Smithee]

You two sound like kids. You both seem to take such strong opinions on the matter. Why can't you two agree to disagree and let the story be the judge of who's right? I mean once upon a time Xehernort being the MF in BBS using time travel was ridiculous and you wasn't accepted as a good theory! Don't you understand theories is theories till proven right or wrong. No reason to fight over them.

Indeed, and that's why I must apologize now.

 

[Xaldyn]

I just had a thought. Luxord was stated to just be thrown in because he was Nomura's favorite right? I mean he didn't really have an impact on the story as a whole, just in certain worlds right? So is it possible he is one?
Also is past Riku one? Is that a big theory or am I out on a limb here? I mean he did dive deep into darkness. I don't know the science of the time travel in these games but isn't it possible for that to be the case?

 

[Xammag]

I'm pretty sure Nomura avoided a question about Eraqus at some point in an interview, or gave a roundabout answer that led most people to believe he's still around in some form.

 

[Oathkeeper512]

Has it been confirmed that Terra will fight siding with darkness? I would be surprised if he isnt "rescued" or "brought back" from the Xehanort form by Sora, Riku and the gang, and if he was to be brought back why would he turn around and fight for the darkness? Plus, if he was "dark" (which he obviously isnt) he would have been swallowed up completely by Mx at the end of BBS. Otherwise there wouldn't have been the cutscene in the secret ending between him and Mx within the regular Xehanort's heart.

 

[Marx15]

I'm pretty sure Nomura avoided a question about Eraqus at some point in an interview, or gave a roundabout answer that led most people to believe he's still around in some form.

Didn't he say that Eraqus stayed within Terra's body.....or at least he should've or something like that. I don't remember exactly, but from reading it, it just made me think that whatever's left of Eraqus is somewhere within Xemnas.....

 

[Memory Master]

Here is what I think with the whole Terra situation.

Terranort along with the other apprentices become heartless and nobodies. Terranort's body becomes Xemnas, a piece of MX's heart remains in Xemnas to keep MX's influence over him. The majority of Terranort's heart becomes XH. (Terranort's heart is a fusion of MX's heart and Terra's heart. So it's one heart that was created as the result of fusing two hearts) XH is defeated in KH1 but a fragment of him remained in Riku's heart which was part of the original plan to make Riku a seeker of darkness but ultimately it fails when Ansem's machine blows up and the fragment of XH is destroyed.

At some point MX and Terra's heart became seperated but a fragment of MX's heart remained in Terra thus keeping him under MX's control without the majority of MX's heart needing to possess him.

When Xemnas was destroyed his body was forced to split into two because he had two hearts the body had to return to: MX's heart and Terra's heart. Basically it was a reverse of how Roxas and Namine were created.

As such Terra is still under MX's heart control via heart fragment.

However I don't think the heart fragment of MX will ever completely consume Terra's heart because Eraqus' heart sleeps inside of Terra and the light from Eraqus' heart will ensure a part of Terra remains, thus ensuring a way for him to be rescued. Kind of like how Ven's heart protected Sora from the nightmare induced darkness surrounding his heart.

In KH3 I fully expect Terra and Eraqus' hearts to drive out the fragment of MX's heart inside, along with some help from Aqua and Ven who will probably be rescued by the this point. Terra will be freed and he'll take his rightful place as a guardian of light.

 

[megatron532]

I think the seven lights are gonna be:
1. Mickey - He's already a master
2. Riku - So is Riku
3. Sora - The beginning of KHIII will have us play as Sora officially completing his training and becoming a master.
4. Lea - Lea will also end up completing his training.
5. Kairi - So will Kairi, I think Kairi using the keyblade to protect herself is a given and if she isn't one of the guardians the secret ending was pointless.
6. Aqua - After the first five have all been dubbed masters, they will go on a rescue mission to save Aqua.
7. Ventus - Then Aqua will lead them through Castle Oblivion to save Ventus, who will then also complete his training and become a master.

And the seekers of darkness:
1. Master Xehanort - He was shown.
2. Young Xehanort - He was shown.
3. Xemnas - He was shown.
4. Ansem - He was shown.
5. Braig - He was shown.
6. Isa - He was shown.
7. Terra - Or rather, Terranort, Master Xehanort mentioned him and all the members seem to have to have a part of Xehanort in them as a requirement.
8. Riku - The Riku that was possessed by Ansem near the end of Kingdom Hearts, Xehanort's heart had supported and nurtured Riku's so it fits with the whole being part-Xehanort thing.
9. Vanitas - Xehanort traveled to the point in time either immediately after his creation to nurture his heart a la Ventus and Sora or immediately after the final battle to do the same thing Sora did and shelter his fractured heart and filling in the missing pieces with his own heart to keep in line with the part-Xehanort trend.
10. Demyx - This one's a bit of a stretch, but in Kingdom Hearts II he says to Sora, "Oh, we do too have hearts", so maybe he was part of the plan and also lazy =/= weak.
11. Dilan - I dunno, Xaldin certainly seemed the type, and he was pretty far up in the Organization in rank, not to mention strong.
12. Apprentice Xehanort - Older than Young Xehanort, around the time he was training with Eraqus and he started to embrace the darkness.
13. Luxord - He was also pretty high up in the ranks of the Organization and I don't think he was given enough to do, the least-developed member of the Organization.

 

[Smithee]

The way I see it:

Lights:

1. Sora
2. Riku
3. Mickey
4. Terra
5. Aqua
6. Ven
7. ???

Darknesses:

1. MX
2. YMX
3. Ansem SOD
4. Xemnas
5. Xigbar/Braig
6. Saix/Isa
7. ??? (Terranort?; time-traveled from the past events of BBS?)
8. ???
9. ???
10. ???
11. ???
12. ???
13. ???

 

[Memory Master]

I don't Demyx and Luxord's somebodies being members of the Seekers of Darkness. If anything they would side with Sora since Demyx and Luxord were the only members that were friendly and got along with Roxas in 358/2 Days besides Axel and Xion of course. Marluxia and Larxene's somebodies obviously are not members because they were traitors to Xemnas.

It's Even and Dilan that are likely to be members because they were the only ones among Lea and the others at Radiant Gardens that were "unstable". Since we don't see Radiant Gardens between the time Lea leaves and the time he returns after the ending, it's entirelly possible during that time Even and Dilan flew the coop and were among the hooded members at The World That Never Was in the ending.

Way I see it:

Guardians of Light:

1. Sora
2. Riku
3. Mickey
4. Aqua
5. Ventus
6. Lea (Acting as a substitute for Terra until Terra is rescued in KH3)
7. ??? (I doubt it's Kairi. You don't put one of your cosmic keystone on the front lines.)

Seekers of Darkness:

1. Master Xehanort
2. Young Xehanort
3. Xehanort's Heartless
4. Xemnas
5. Xigbar (Braig but he keeps the X to show loyalty to MX)
6. Saix (Isa but he keeps the X to show loyalty to MX)
7. Terra (Will be rescued later in KH3 probably so MX will have to find a replacement for him at some point)
8. Xaldin (Dilan but he keeps the X to show loyalty to MX)
9. Vexen (Even but he keeps the X to show loyalty to MX)
10. Vanitas (Hinted at since he appeared next to YMX in La Cite Des Cloches)
11. ???
12. ???
13. ???

 

[Ultima Spark]

...they're "unstable" because the stress of rebirth hurt them more physically than the three we see walking and talking. What's so difficult to understand about that?

 

[Dentim]

Gais, we're looking for people branded with the recusant's sigil, right? And he's missing Sora now, right?

 

[Smithee]

I don't Demyx and Luxord's somebodies being members of the Seekers of Darkness. If anything they would side with Sora since Demyx and Luxord were the only members that were friendly and got along with Roxas in 358/2 Days besides Axel and Xion of course. Marluxia and Larxene's somebodies obviously are not members because they were traitors to Xemnas.

It's Even and Dilan that are likely to be members because they were the only ones among Lea and the others at Radiant Gardens that were "unstable". Since we don't see Radiant Gardens between the time Lea leaves and the time he returns after the ending, it's entirelly possible during that time Even and Dilan flew the coop and were among the hooded members at The World That Never Was in the ending.

Way I see it:

Guardians of Light:

1. Sora
2. Riku
3. Mickey
4. Aqua
5. Ventus
6. Lea (Acting as a substitute for Terra until Terra is rescued in KH3)
7. ??? (I doubt it's Kairi. You don't put one of your cosmic keystone on the front lines.)

Seekers of Darkness:

1. Master Xehanort
2. Young Xehanort
3. Xehanort's Heartless
4. Xemnas
5. Xigbar (Braig but he keeps the X to show loyalty to MX)
6. Saix (Isa but he keeps the X to show loyalty to MX)
7. Terra (Will be rescued later in KH3 probably so MX will have to find a replacement for him at some point)
8. Xaldin (Dilan but he keeps the X to show loyalty to MX)
9. Vexen (Even but he keeps the X to show loyalty to MX)
10. Vanitas (Hinted at since he appeared next to YMX in La Cite Des Cloches)
11. ???
12. ???
13. ???

Hey Memory, do you think that we'll ever see the Somebodies of Demyx, Luxord, Marluxia, and Larxene?

 

[Hillboy]

Oh my god, that is genius.

I'm hoping we see Repliku as a Darkness :x

Lights:
1. Sora
2. Riku
3. Mickey
4. Lea
5. Kiari
6. Aqua
7. Ven

 

[Dawn Rebirth]

read the interview with nomura.. it answers some things.

basically, we have no idea who the other 6 robes are and we dont know who will be the 13th. it can be anyone.

nomura hinted at something with the Org members who didnt appear (and think, they were the stronger ones who survived into KH2) and he mentioned something about the positioning of the seats.

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Alright, this may just be a coincidence, but I think I figured-out it out. The positioning determines the new numerial ranks for the Org XIII-2 members. MX is in Xemnas' seat. Xemnas is in Xigbar's Seat. XH is in Xaldin's seat. Xigbar is in Vexen's seat. YMX is in Lexaeus' seat. You get the picture, feel free to tell me I'm crazy, but be sure to look at positioning of the seats yourself before you do

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I'm not entirely sure how this works, or if this was even explained properly here in the thread ... But Keyblades are man-made tools crafted in the image of what the Real Death-Blade(Rather, X-Blade) looked like. As explained by Yen Sid himself; KH is the lock, the Death-blade is the Key.

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I might be jumping the gun here, but it seems like a majority of people think the entire 'mending the hurts situation' will be resolved before the clash between the 13 Darknesses and 7 Lights, while it's enevitable that Aqua and Ventus will be saved before then, that in no way means that they will all be saved before the clash. It's not really a major part of the agenda, y'know in comparision to a war, and Roxas and Xion are safe where they are for the time being.

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It's been explained by Numora that Vanitas showing-up in Notre Dame is a result of Ventus' heart being within Sora. Possibly indicating that Young Xehanort is Vanitas' refuge, but that remains to be said. Either way, Xigbar explained they put Sora to sleep twice, because of this Sora saw Namine, who turned to Xion not to long after. Roxas in fact did share his memories with Sora, as that is how Sora was able to figure-out Nobodies in some way could have hearts(Not neccessarily knowing they could grow or be nutured). It's note worthy that Sora's clothes change from his DDD clothes to KH2 clothes at certain parts. All the things Sora saw in those dreams were results of Roxas, Xion, and Ventus being in his heart. Similar to how in certain parts of 358/2 Days Xion would go from wearing a hood to not wearing a hood at random parts.

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I've been noticing something else in this thread, a lot, if not everyone, of people in this thread keep calling Xigbar and Saix, Braig and Isa. I can see why, but it's Xigbar, not Braig. Go to the character files in your games, Braig is added after the scene Lea mentions him(Along with the other members who he mentions, whether they're there or not), but when we get to who we think is Braig and then Xigbar is added to the character files. In fact, go to the character files and note Isa is not among the list, but Saix is. The True Names seem more dear then the Nobody Names, that's why Lea calls Saix, Isa, when it's not really Saix(Or so is my understanding).

Now, why do the specifics matter? Simple. This is my understanding of a possible, yet probable list of the 13 and 7

7 Lights

1#Sora(They took him out of Xehanort's clutches)
2#Riku(Obviously)
3#Mickey
4#Lea(He remains a possibility, how strongly he ends-up fighting will determine if he's fit for the task, or so I translate YS' words. And the fact he was able to be chosen in such a short time gives me good reason to believe he will succeed)
5#Kairi(Too many naysayers to go around on the topic, but YS wouldn't have requested her for absolutely no reason. I don't mean to say that means is defiantly our missing candidate, but it seems pointless for Numora to give her a Keyblade or show her in the Secret Ending if she didn't have some form of significance other than damsel in destress. Even if it means putting one of the goals on the front lines, which I admit to be somewhat risky, if said goal is not properly prepared. A very risky gambit indeed)
6#Aqua(Mentioned in Mickey's list and was in the Secret Ending, being a master makes her a very worthy addition as well)
7#Ventus(Once again, Secret Ending. I don't mean to use it as the answer to everything, but why put him in there, just to clear-up Ventus' body is still in there ... Not really a good enough reason, IMO. Esp, when The light within the Darkness is followed by Aqua in the RoD, followed by leads to the last key)

13 Darknesses

No. I - MX(New leader of the Organization, plus Xigbar said both Xehanort and Xemnas formed the Orgnization. Might I also bring-up him randomly wearing a coat when bringing Ventus to DI)
No. II - Xemnas(See MX explaination)
No. III - XH(Already revealed)
No. IV - Xigbar(Ditto)
No. V - YMX(Ditto again)
No. VI - Terra/Terranort/AX(MX has already confirmed him as on his team, and I think it's gonna stay that way until the battle is over)
No. VII - Saix(Take a guess)
No. VIII - Vanitas(Conjecture: Vanitas appeared responding to Ven's heart, alongside YMX. Kinda owes him, problem is how faithful he is. Then again, who was the last No. VIII again?)
No. IX - Braig(And this is where we reach the reason of me explaining the specifics. We know where he became a heartless, and we know he was just struck-down recently. Conjecture: It's also been hinted that Braig has been given his part of the bargain from MX, who seems like the type of bastard who would do this for his own gain as well, if at all possible. Also, when exactly did the norting take place? Is it possible, that Xehanort isn't in some way an exstention of the darkness, personified? And if so, does that mean his norting started when Terra blasted him with darkness? Xehanort is such a cunning mastermind that we can't just throw that away as part of his calculations in using Braig, and pushing Terra right into his clutches at the same time)
No. X - Xaldin(No denying it, Xaldin seems too obvious of a choice. He's strong in body, will, and trust. Conjecture: Unlike Vexen, who fails as a candidate somewhere among the lines. His chair wasn't lower than Demyx's for no reason, and his position on his numerial rank just cries-out that he's begging for respect, so to speak)
No. XI - XH controlling Riku's body/Or Riku when he was still on the path of darkness(Conjecture: Riku wouldn't make such a far-fetch guess if he wasn't somewhat sure. He's not really out there like Joshua and Riku joked about Sora being)
No. XII - Dilan(It was stated in the BBS character files that he still possessed his ability to manipulate people to some degree as his nobody could. Conjecture: It's worthy noting that the first 4 members were ironically encountered with AX in the same order as they were ranked in the first organization. Both Braig and Dilan were there with Ansem when they found him. The scene later where AX is seen walking may be after the experiment on his heart, as mentioned in the Secret Ansem Reports, Ansem did the experiment with Even present. Dilan could have very well been influenced by Braig, they did seem to work together, though once really doesn't seem all that too convincing)
No. XIII - Isa(Conjecture: Although it's been hinted he and Lea became heartless in the same place, it's yet to be confirmed. He may have very well have returned, however Lea cutting Ienzo's explaination off may leave a possible explaination for this 'away from our grasp' of understanding)

There is also a possibility that Heartless other than XH could be among the ranks, more specifically Braig and Isa's. This is my understanding, feel free to correct me if you must. XH appaeared to YMX, which regrettably was confirmed by Numora, turning-up a golden oppurtunity, but whatever. Then YMX gathered everyone else(The other versions of Xehanort at the very least) to meet-up at where Nothing Gathers, while XH went to the Secret Place on DI before it's temporary destruction. YMX confirms he has told all he knows to Sora, and what he knows may just be a piece of the truth we've yet to uncover, or rather have revealed to us. Such as what did those members do first, assemble there, or gather neccesary and suitable pieces for Org XIII-2?(Varying from member to member, of course)