What was God thinking?

[Jopari]

This has become almost a paradoxical question. It's almost like the question "Can God create a rock so heavy that he himself cannot lift it?"

Basically there is no way that someone can claim that God knows what we're going to do without denying the fact that God is responsible for all the pain and suffering that humanity must endure. By saying that God knows what we're going to do to some extent but can't control us gives religion a scapegoat to dump evil onto while at the same time gives them the image of a benevolent God that lets humans have some amount of free will.

 

[Phoenix]

Well, the definitions I've checked all state knowledge of all things.With that, if God didn't know what choices will be made, I wouldn't see that as knowing everything.

Knowledge of all things includes the future.

 

[Xsora5X]

First off, I was told when I was much younger that God knows my every thought and knows my future and knows the future of EVERYTHING.

I was just thinking the other day, I go to church, but I'm not sure whether I want to believe or not..
And it brought to my attention this question.

if God knows the future of everything he created, WHY the hell would he create the angels, and Lucifer, knowing he would fall because of his pride becoming an evil being?

WHY, would he create man if he knew man would betray him?

What the hell are we?
God's puppet show?

because after he created us he wanted to test us to see if we really love him, and to do that he had to create lucifer. believe me i have had this same thought many many times.
just like when he was testing job in the bible he didnt do anything to job he chose to let satan get to job.god wasnt going to hurt job. it was a test of faith for job. and yes pheonix god is omniscient so you stop claiming he isnt.

 

[Phoenix]

because after he created us he wanted to test us to see if we really love him, and to do that he had to create lucifer. believe me i have had this same thought many many times.
just like when he was testing job in the bible he didnt do anything to job he chose to let satan get to job.god wasnt going to hurt job. it was a test of faith for job.

God allowed Satan to kill Job's family, remember?

 

[Jopari]

and yes pheonix god is omniscient so you stop claiming he isnt.

But that's just the thing. If God is omniscient than he knows just what we're going to do. So why then does he create us? I mean, if he can tell what each and every one of us is going to do at anytime do we serve any real purpose? Are we just some toys that are forced to worship a greedy child that needs to reassure himself that he is great?

If God is omniscient than humans have no free will. So, God is responsible for every pain and suffering we go through. God is the source of all evil if he is omniscient.

 

[Phoenix]

I never got how it could be so difficult to understand the logic. If God knows everything, including the future, then you can't change that future, can you? If you can't change your predestined path, then you have no free will, just the allusion of free will.

 

[Xsora5X]

God allowed Satan to kill Job's family, remember?

dude jobs sons were evil they had no moral value. and his wife said to curse god and die. his family was evil, and guess what after job went through that test god gave him an even better family and made him even richer.

 

[Jopari]

dude jobs sons were evil they had no moral value. and his wife said to curse god and die. his family was evil, and guess what after job went through that test god gave him an even better family and made him even richer.

So, denounce your wicked family and God will reward you with a better one and give you riches. Where do I sign up?

Do you realize how barbaric that sounds? It truly makes it seem like you want the people who would rather think for themselves to die a painful and horrible death.

 

[mesmerized]

I never got how it could be so difficult to understand the logic. If God knows everything, including the future, then you can't change that future, can you? If you can't change your predestined path, then you have no free will, just the allusion of free will.

I totally agree with you, it really messed up. But I guess thats how life was attended to be, and I guess everyone has to accept that. :huh: Still sorta confusing though, but God was never meant to be understood; he's God.

 

[Jopari]

I totally agree with you, it really messed up. But I guess thats how life was attended to be, and I guess everyone has to accept that. :huh: Still sorta confusing though, but God was never meant to be understood; he's God.

Yes, that makes perfect sense. God made it so we can't understand him, because if we could think and take actions for ourselves we would constantly question his existence. See, God made it so that certain people are here to test your faith because he really controls us all and wants to see how strong your faith is.

But of course, he already knows what you're gonna do, correct? So, please explain to me why this whole event occurs in the first place. It's the equivalent of reading a book that you wrote. The suspense is gone because you know what's going to happen.

 

[Xsora5X]

So, denounce your wicked family and God will reward you with a better one and give you riches. Where do I sign up?

Do you realize how barbaric that sounds? It truly makes it seem like you want the people who would rather think for themselves to die a painful and horrible death.

job didnt denounce his family he loved his family. god had made his descision that his sons had gone too far they were very evil. the only reason god rewarded job is because job had complete faith in god so that god would get him through this.

 

[Phoenix]

dude jobs sons were evil they had no moral value. and his wife said to curse god and die. his family was evil, and guess what after job went through that test god gave him an even better family and made him even richer.

This is hilarious and sad at the same time.

Ask any parent if they want their sons dead as long as they get better sons. Come back to me with the answer.

Also, made him richer? And here I thought love and humility were more important than money.

job didnt denounce his family he loved his family. god had made his descision that his sons had gone too far they were very evil. the only reason god rewarded job is because job had complete faith in god so that god would get him through this.

God would get him through that? God got him into the mess in the first place, for shits and giggles.

 

[TheLastKnight]

dead? I almost died laughing...I don't think that any parents want their child dead....