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1. is Xemnas Riku, or is Riku Ansem, or is fake Ansem Xemnas, or what?

2. is DiZ the fake Ansem's nobody? if not, who is the fake Ansem that you fight in kh1? is he just a test subject? and if DiZ and ansem aren't connected, what are the connections between: Xemnas, fake Ansem and DiZ? :confused:

3. How can Kairi be Namine's nobody when Kairi lost her heart and regained it in kh1? and if losing hearts has nothing to do with the creation of Nobodies, then how did Roxas get created from Sora?

4. In kh2, when you look at the world-map and you have The World That Never Was (TWTNW for short) on it, why is the Deep Dive city at the bottom of it? is because TWTNW is Kingdom Hearts itself? if so, how come there is no door? if TWTNW isn't kingdom hearts, then how come the Deep Dive city is at the bottom of it?

5. If Xenahort is Xemnas' Nobody, how are Xemnas and Ansem (not sure which Ansem) connected? if Xemnas is the real Ansem then is he connected to DiZ or fake Ansem?

6. Does Xenahort have anything to do with fake/DiZ/Ansem?

please someone reply :( because i never get replies and it is quite irritating.

ty!
 
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1. Xenmas = Xenmas, Riku = Riku, Ansem = DiZ, Xenohart = Fake Ansem from KH1
2.DiZ = Real Ansem
3. dunno
4. .....this is getting retarded. They arnt connected.
5. He IS the fake ansem...
 

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ZoroxX said:
a big fat you!!???
Is that an exagerrated question or an exclamation in question form? There's no reason to be an @$$ cuz roxas99 has a good question. though the one about the Diz being ansem and xemnas being everbody's nobody is confusing and pointless, his question about namine and the formation of nobodies in general brings up a good point.
 

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roxas99 said:
ok thx
but if you have kh2 (which you obviously do..) and you look at TWTNW and don't you see a city at the bottom of the world? WHAT IS THAT?

I've played the game and as far as I understand (don't speak Japanese) the city your refering to is part of the TWTNW.
TWTNW is made up of two sections the city part and the organizations headquarters which is the white building above the city.
Also I can't imagine that city still being called Deep Dive because it now part of/is TWTNW

Also regarding question 3 Kairi is not Namine's nobody it's the other way round.
 

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roxas99 said:
1. is Xemnas Riku, or is Riku Ansem, or is fake Ansem Xemnas, or what?

2. is DiZ the fake Ansem's nobody? if not, who is the fake Ansem that you fight in kh1? is he just a test subject? and if DiZ and ansem aren't connected, what are the connections between: Xemnas, fake Ansem and DiZ? :confused:

3. How can Kairi be Namine's nobody when Kairi lost her heart and regained it in kh1? and if losing hearts has nothing to do with the creation of Nobodies, then how did Roxas get created from Sora?

4. In kh2, when you look at the world-map and you have The World That Never Was (TWTNW for short) on it, why is the Deep Dive city at the bottom of it? is because TWTNW is Kingdom Hearts itself? if so, how come there is no door? if TWTNW isn't kingdom hearts, then how come the Deep Dive city is at the bottom of it?

5. If Xenahort is Xemnas' Nobody, how are Xemnas and Ansem (not sure which Ansem) connected? if Xemnas is the real Ansem then is he connected to DiZ or fake Ansem?

6. Does Xenahort have anything to do with fake/DiZ/Ansem?

please someone reply :( because i never get replies and it is quite irritating.

ty!


1. xenmas is xehanorts nobody,, riku is riku, DiZ is the real ansem, xehanort is the fake ansem, he lost his memories so thats why he thought of himself as ansem

2. One of my six disciples, Xehanort, has volunteered himself as a test subject.
Since I found him collapsed in the street all those years ago and took him in,
he has become a youth who serves me well.

At that time, he had lost his memories entirely, but afterwards he began to
exhibit a remarkable inquisitive mind.
He absorbed my teachings incredibly
quickly, and amassed a deep knowledge.
He is somewhat undeveloped in maturity, but this problem is due to his youth.


xenmas it xehanorts nobody, the reason he is an anagram of ansem is becuase xehanort thoguh the he himself was ansem.


And I have lost everything, exiled to a nonexistent world.
Having exiled me, what could Xehanort be aiming for?
Have everyone's smiling faces gone?

As the light of hope has faded, I will now walk along with the darkness.
In the world of nothingness to which I have been exiled.

Darkness within nothingness.
"Darkness in Zero"

Therefore, I will take the name "DiZ".
I will cast aside the exile's name "Ansem"...and have my revenge.


3. brace yourself


It appears that the test subject of this experiment, a girl called "Namine",
possesses an extremely unique power.
What can emerge from this power of hers?

I have been continuing my investigations in secret without disturbing the XIII
Order. But today, a further visitor had appeared.

"Sora", the Keyblade Master who defeated Ansem, and his companions.
And there is the scent of darkness in the lower depths of the castle.

It seems that the actors in this little drama are gathering.

Other Ansem report 9
This truly is the Keyblade Master. Sora has unravelled the XIII Order's
conspiracy and rescued Namine.

Namine was a witch who controls others' memories.
It appears that she gained this ability through being born by a special process.

Namine is a girl, but was a princess.
A long time ago, when I governed the "Radiant Garden", one of the denizens was
"Kairi", one of the seven princesses who support the world of light.
There was no Heartless born from Kairi, who carries no darkness in her heart,
and her body which should have disappeared remained in the world of light.

That is to say, in the case of the Nobody called Namine, both a Heartless as
evidence of a lost heart, and a body to act as the intermediary for the creation
of a Nobody are missing. She is an extremely unstable existence, and therefore
has no memories of Kairi.
Another cause is that Kairi's heart, having been separated from her body, did
not return to the darkness, but instead found another vessel...concealed behind
Sora's heart.

That is to say, Namine is an offshoot of Kairi, who directly interfered with
Sora's heart. Because of that, she was be able to manipulate the memories of
Sora and those whose hearts are connected to his.

She is truly a "non-existent one". Without even becoming a Nobody, she has no
place to go, and is the most fickle of shadows.


Other Ansem report 10
Sora, who lost his memories in Castle Oblivion, has gone into a deep sleep to
recover them. However, I believe it will require a considerable amount of time
to recover completely the memories from his birth to the present time.

But Castle Oblivion is a place that was controlled by the XIII Order. I must
care for Sora in a safer place. I have decided to persuade Namine to help, and
take the sleeping Sora to Twilight Town to protect him.

Namine.
As I wrote before, she is an extremely unique existence. Born through the same
process as a Nobody, but missing certain elements that characterise a Nobody.

That she continues to draw pictures is possibly compensating for what she
lacks...from other people's, mainly Sora's, memories.

I have formed a hypothesis.
I believe that Namine was born as a unique Nobody when Sora turned the Keyblade
on his own body and Sora and Kairi's "hearts" departed his body at the same tme.
Namine was born as Kairi's Nobody.
But to become a Nobody, Sora's body and soul were used as an intermediary...

When a person loses their heart, a Heartless with no sense of self is born, and
the leftover body and soul are used as an intermediary to give birth to a
Nobody.

But what about those who chose to release their heart?
Sora and Xehanort, even though they became Heartless, kept their sense of self.

And in the case of Kairi and Namine.
The exception that Kairi's heart had no darkness, and the exception that Kairi's
heart used Sora as a vessel when she lost it...The cause may be due to all of
these impossible exceptions piling up.

While Sora sleeps, I will do what I must.
A new ally has appeared, named Riku.

Other Ansem report 12
With the exception of Namine, Nobodies remember their time as humans.
But Sora's Nobody, "Roxas", has lost the memories of when he was Sora.

The reason for this may be that Sora spent little time as a Heartless while
Roxas was left behind as a Nobody, and returned to becoming a human with a
heart.

Somehow, Roxas is similar to Namine. While being Kairi's Nobody, Namine was born
using Sora's body and soul as an intermediary.
And Roxas was Sora's Nobody, left behind when Sora returned to being a human
through not his own heart, but using Kairi's heart as an intermediary.

I believe that Sora's memory restoration is delayed due to having lost half of
himself, Roxas.
I must turn him into data, and return him to Sora.



4.Through this new power, I discovered the "Dark Corridor", which connects the
world of nothingness to the physical world.
Going back and forth freely is still difficult, but my time of exile is at an
end.

there are many dark corridors, one of them is traverse town, one is hallow bastion, one is twilight town. when a persons world is destroyed, some of the lucky ones are able to pass bcok to there onw world via the dark corridor, tahts how sora got to traverse town after his own island was destroyed, anfter riku was sealed behind the door at the end of kh1, he founded his was to the dark corridor in the world that never was, and thats how he got there, roxas was born in the world that never was.

5. see #1

6. xehanort was a man with no memories that real ansem/dix found in hallow bastion one day, xehanort was quickly regaining his memories, and one day he volunteered to be a test subject for true ansem/diz to experiment on, the experiment went wrong, so xehanort lost all of his memories, he then came across the ansem reports and thought that he himself was ansem.


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