Just another Xion Theory.

[gelandporn]

He didn't become a Heartless. He was the equivalent of Sora and Riku when they exist only has hearts.

Right, so the fact that he's established as Xehanort's Heartless and has the Heartless insignia on his chest can be completely thrown out the window.

And I also suppose statements like these are lies:

As I had suspected, Xehanort had become a Heartless.

X - KH's Ansem (Xehanort) seems to have thoroughly gotten rid of his own heart, but Xemnas (Xehanort) commanding Organization XIII is seeking a fresh heart. If I understand that in becoming a heartless and a nobody, they became 2 different people, would their minds then as well become seperate? Also, the original Xehanort should have some memory loss but in the additional scenes this time there seem to be some questionable parts. Have his memories returned, or perhaps the memory loss itself was a lie?

In essence, the two are the same. However, they function under seperate minds. Xehanort most certainly got rid of his heart, and at that time it's assumed a Nobody was born. The means of obtaining their goal is different due to the nature of Heartless and Nobodies.

(the nature of Heartless/Nobodies being the difference between Xehanort's Heartless/Xemnas)

When was the XIII Organization founded?
The timing is when Philosopher Ansem's 6 disciples turned into Heartless. The XIII Organization is called like that just because it has recruited 13 members, but it doesn't matter if it has "XIII" in its name or not. All 13 members were already gathered in KH:COM but the members that were in Castle Oblivion still called it as the "Organization."

Besides Xehanort, did the other 5 disciples that turned into Heartless disappeared?
Not really disappear but more like they're somewhere else as normal Heartless. Xehanort was about the only one who was able to keep a human form.

I find it weird that they would take her there, and then just prop her up against some random building. =/

Some random building? They had her waiting for Riku.

 

[Superschlock]

How was Xehanort never a heartless?

 

[Swxpert]

he was, personally (even though no one will agree with me) i think that Xion is somehow connected to Riku not sora

 

[Smile]

Xehanort most certainly got rid of his heart, and at that time it's assumed a Nobody was born

No becoming a Heartless mentioned here. Settles in with the Ansem Report in which he says he never became a Heartless. I think that for the most part we can assume they're using the term Heartless and 'existence without a Body' about him interchangeably, seeing how for him, it doesn't matter much, as opposed to Sora that yes had a "Heart" existence as opposed to a true "Heartless" existence.

I have transcended to an existence of only the heart. I should have come back as a Heartless, but there is no sign of such a transformation.

My body has surely perished. However, I am different from the other Heartless, keeping the memories of before, and I have not taken on the form of a Heartless. It is clear that there are still many things to be studied.

First he says he didn't become a Heartless, then he says he's different from the "other" Heartless. Same thing when talking about him.

Who's to say that XH didn't become XH from Xehanort when his Sense of Self began deteriorating to turn him into the freaky thing we see covered in a cloak at the start of KH1? Didn't he need to still rule RG/HB for a while afterwards still? And he did write more reports as well (and the report that said he became only a Heart itself)

Xion's existence is a retcon. Accept it.

That kind of goes without saying imo, before we even go to the issue of whether or not she's Kairi's Nobody which is still funly enough unconfirmed (Lol XIII? XIV? Wot?).
That only raises the chances she has of being created on the night of the storm though.

 

[The_Other_Side]

Riku's heart was never taken by the darkness, he just let the darkness and Xehanort's heartless into his heart thinking he could control its power.... long story short he never became a heartless so never got a nobody.

 

[Lord_Marluxia]

Well I knoe mayme some of you could have NOTICE THIS, but, Xion should be defnetly a NOBODY, Following what?, What Rikus says celarly on the mainpage of the Website:

Riku places a hand upon her shoulder.
Riku: "In that case, think about it."
Riku: "You should really return to your original self." , I think that in this TIME he Already knew of NAMINE, so Why tell that to her?, She CLEARLY most be a NOBODY, so this can support MY Theory of XION beeing birth, when Kairi lost her heart on Destiny Islands

 

[Smile]

Well I knoe mayme some of you could have NOTICE THIS, but, Xion should be defnetly a NOBODY, Following what?, What Rikus says celarly on the mainpage of the Website:

Riku places a hand upon her shoulder.
Riku: "In that case, think about it."
Riku: "You should really return to your original self." , I think that in this TIME he Already knew of NAMINE, so Why tell that to her?, She CLEARLY most be a NOBODY, so this can support MY Theory of XION beeing birth, when Kairi lost her heart on Destiny Islands

Actually, there have been other translations to that, saying she should return to where she belongs, which could imply amongst other things that he's telling her to return to the "important someone" that makes it so she can't disappear :\

 

[Lord_Marluxia]

Oww o.o well Ill keep my statement till the games shows otherwise! OwO Nice ass kicking xDD <3

 

[Audo]

Some random building?

Some random building:

 

[gelandporn]

No becoming a Heartless mentioned here. Settles in with the Ansem Report in which he says he never became a Heartless.

Not directly, but reread my comment on the whole response.

And as I said:
"When was the XIII Organization founded?
The timing is when Philosopher Ansem's 6 disciples turned into Heartless. The XIII Organization is called like that just because it has recruited 13 members, but it doesn't matter if it has "XIII" in its name or not. All 13 members were already gathered in KH:COM but the members that were in Castle Oblivion still called it as the "Organization.""
6 apprentices turn into Heartless. Including Xehanort.

"Besides Xehanort, did the other 5 disciples that turned into Heartless disappeared?
Not really disappear but more like they're somewhere else as normal Heartless. Xehanort was about the only one who was able to keep a human form."
Keep a human form, others normal Heartless.

Tetsuya Nomura says Heartless, he means Heartless.

Some random building:

Mind sharing with me how you know that's where she ended up and the incidents by which she got there?

 

[Smile]

Tetsuya Nomura says Heartless, he means Heartless.

I still fail to see then the difference between him and Sora. Human form is human form :\ the deterioration seems to be a factor of its own, imo.

 

[Audo]

Mind sharing with me how you know that's where she ended up and the incidents by which she got there?

Nomura and I mess around from time to time.

 

[gelandporn]

I still fail to see then the difference between him and Sora. Human form is human form :\ the deterioration seems to be a factor of its own, imo.

Sora was an existence of the heart revived by Kairi's light out of his Heartless form.
Xehanort's Heartless went through the process of any heartless, the difference is that his heartless form is a humanoid form and he has the ability to think beyond instinct.

Nomura and I mess around from time to time.

=/

 

[Smile]

Sora was an existence of the heart revived by Kairi's light out of his Heartless form.
Xehanort's Heartless went through the process of any heartless, the difference is that his heartless form is a humanoid form and he has the ability to think beyond instinct.

Which is the part I disagree with you on. An existence of only a Heart that willingly left its body and maintained its human form and Sense of Self. Doesn't sound too much like a Heartless to me unless "Heartless" is a general term to Hearts with "bodies", regardless of them being "really" Heartless or not.

 

[Audo]

Xehanort also kept all of his memories, which isnt something a Heartless does...

 

[Smile]

Xehanort also kept all of his memories, which isnt something a Heartless does...

True that, and further indication actually he wasn't a Heartless. After all, Sora de-Heartlessifying was given as the reason why Roxas had no Memories of Sora's - because they went back to the Heart.

 

[gelandporn]

Xehanort also kept all of his memories, which isnt something a Heartless does...

Because he's not a normal Heartless, as Nomura said.

I don't know why we're debating this, if you're trying to get around the quotes I provided, that's just sad. Nomura said the six apprentices turned into Heartless, among a shit load of other quotes. That is confirmation that Xehanort's Heartless is.... shock.... a heartless.

 

[Audo]

Because he's not a normal Heartless, as Nomura said.

I don't know why we're debating this, if you're trying to get around the quotes I provided, that's just sad. Nomura said the six apprentices turned into Heartless, among a shit load of other quotes. That is confirmation that Xehanort's Heartless is.... shock.... a heartless.

Kris. [who says, "nothing is fo-shizzle"] says:
Xehanort isn't really a heartless though =/
Kris. [who says, "nothing is fo-shizzle"] says:
it's just that Heartless is the technical term for it.

 

[Lord_Marluxia]

that Xehanort's Heartless is.... shock.... a heartless.

WOW U DISCOVERED AMERICA IN A CUP OF MILK! its obviously a HEARTLESS the name it self says it XDD Thus TEH WHOLE CRAPS SAYS IT, Even the manga, EVEN NOMURA

 

[gelandporn]

Kris. [who says, "nothing is fo-shizzle"] says:
Xehanort isn't really a heartless though =/
Kris. [who says, "nothing is fo-shizzle"] says:
it's just that Heartless is the technical term for it.

Really? I don't see Nomura saying that anywhere. In fact, last time I checked, he uses the term Heartless to refer to... Heartless.

There's a reason why he calls Xehanort's Heartless a Heartless while he does not use that term for Sora during that period. I bet you can guess why.

Xehanort's Heartless. The proof is in the name!

Maybe you'd like to join PMF in a "Kingdom Hearts is a LIE" brigade?