The Connection Between Kingdom Hearts 3 and χ[chi]
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- Published on January 23, 2014 @ 09:17 am
- Written by Cecily
As a social game, Kingdom Hearts χ[chi] receives notable content updates every few weeks in order to keep the experience fresh and inviting for all new players. However, back in August 2013, Series Director Tetsuya Nomura revealed in one of these updates that the story within the world of χ[chi] would eventually lead into that the long awaited Kingdom Hearts 3. It became a cause of concern when players heard that news as the main story had become more difficult to follow with each new installment.
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However, it was revealed that the only notable piece of information would be that of a single passage within the Foreteller's Script.
For those unaware, the Foretellers are a group of 5 mysterious beings, each appearing as the figurehead of the union the player would choose to fight for upon beginning their adventure. At first glance, it was assumed they would not play a significant role in the story, but with the reveal of this passage, it appears that there's more to them than meets the eye.
Thanks to Goldpanner, you can read a translation of the passage and the scene in which it was introduced below.
Chirithy:
You've really shaped up as a Keyblade Wielder, haven't you.
Uh-huh, you're looking really fine, too!
I think it's time to tell you, then.
Before my master, He who created me, disappeared,
He bestowed His six followers with new names, and gave five of them a tome of prophecy.
These five followers, who were to become the Foretellers, read the future written in the tome.
Apparently a passage written on the last page shocked them.
"The war in that place will lead to the defeat and destruction of the Light.
The World will be enveloped in eternal Darkness."In order to save the future World, the five Foretellers thought to use the power hidden in the tome of prophecy.
That's the power you are all using now.
Through the cards, you are using the power of the future to try and protect the light from the darkness, and avert the future enveloped in darkness.
Also, as you know, even though the five Foretellers share the same goal, they by no means share the same will.
So, you mustn't lose sight of it yourself.
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This master figure must appear either at the end of KH3, just like Ansem did in KH1 (and every other enemy in FF games where it turns out the big bad was being controlled by THE REAL TRUE BIG BAD) ... Or he's connected to the next main villain for KH4.
That's it...?
eternal darkness doesn't sound so bad
That's it...?
rude
That's it...?
"It" being a small passage telling us that in KH3 there's some mysterious old master who made a prophecy long ago where the world would end by being plunged into darkness ... Then yes, that's it.
Oh my. Maybe KH3 will pull a FF6 and ... those who played that know what I mean, when a certain something happens to the world.
That's it...?
It was just going to be a single passage and that's what was provided. What were you expecting, this massive thing that detailed how the story was going to go?
rude
How am I being rude?
It was just going to be a single passage and that's what was provided. What were you expecting, this massive thing that detailed how the story was going to go?
no.. I just didn't except something so predictable.
Good job Nomura. You just spoiled the climax of the game. Clearly the seven lights will be unable to fight against the Xehanort Crew and darkness will engulf the universe. Then with the remaining lights within the hearts of man (or the PoHs), it will give way to the true light returning after hundreds of years of being lost and it will tip the scale in order for Sora and company to rise up and take down the Army of Xehanorts and maybe the Emblem Heartless too since they are something Xehanort created.
| no.. I just didn't except something so predictable. |
You signed up for the wrong series.
Good job Nomura. You just spoiled the climax of the game. Clearly the seven lights will be unable to fight against the Xehanort Crew and darkness will engulf the universe. Then with the remaining lights within the hearts of man (or the PoHs), it will give way to the true light returning after hundreds of years of being lost and it will tip the scale in order for Sora and company to rise up and take down the Army of Xehanorts and maybe the Emblem Heartless too.
The hearts of children will shine through the Darkness, resetting the main cast into children. KH4 takes place 10 years after this when they're all 14/15.
It says six, where's the sixth foreteller, something seems fishy hmm...
It says six, where's the sixth foreteller, something seems fishy hmm...
Either Chirithy (personally, my choice) or someone new.
Don't play with my heart, Joey. It's too early in the morning for that. 17 year old Sora in KH4/whatever or bust.
I think that this 6th Foreteller could be one of two people that we may know of a little bit.
The first possibility is Yen Sid. He has trained Sora, Riku, Mickey, and probably Lea a bit to use their Keyblades (better), so that means he used to wield one himself. It wouldn't surprise me that he'd be one of these Foretellers.
The other likely possibility is that this person could be the one who trained Xehanort and Eraqus. With the stuff that those two know, and with their skill levels, their master must have been one of the most powerful Keybearers ever.
I think that this 6th Foreteller could be one of two people that we may know of a little bit.
The first possibility is Yen Sid. He has trained Sora, Riku, Mickey, and probably Lea a bit to use their Keyblades (better), so that means he used to wield one himself. It wouldn't surprise me that he'd be one of these Foretellers.
The other likely possibility is that this person could be the one who trained Xehanort and Eraqus. With the stuff that those two know, and with their skill levels, their master must have been one of the most powerful Keybearers ever.
Except the Master would have been older than the Foretellers, and Yen Sid is around in a time when the Keyblade War is told as a fairy tale. Master Xehanort yearns to learn about the Keyblade War since it happened eons before his time, so having his friend Yen Sid or his Master be the foreteller might not work out for the best.
I think Xehanort is the sixth Foreteller/Follower, or he's the Unicornis Foreteller, or something. Because he's probably one of them. At least, with the "new names" and all, that's my best guess. Hell, maybe he even just took over their bodies and Norted them-uh oh. The 13 Darknesses? Are they going to be in there...? Strange. Or maybe he's the 'Master?' Gah, this is insane. I love it.
Except the Master would have been older than the Foretellers, and Yen Sid is around in a time when the Keyblade War is told as a fairy tale. Master Xehanort yearns to learn about the Keyblade War since it happened eons before his time, so having his friend Yen Sid or his Master be the foreteller might not work out for the best.
True but the one that trained Eraqus and MX is still a mystery to us though, but the Keyblade that MX has which displays a Goat head on it still has me puzzled. ._.
Why would Xehanort, the man who is doing all of this in order to WITNESS the Keyblade War, be the 6th person AT the Keyblade War?
True but the one that trained Eraqus and MX is still a mystery to us though, but the Keyblade that MX has which displays a Goat head on it still has me puzzled. ._.
He really isn't an important character. To us, he's just the man that took these two (or 3 since it's highly likely Yen Sid trained with them) boys in and taught them how to wield.
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Yen Sid a foreteller? The events surrounding the Keyblade War happened thousands of years ago, he may be old but certainly not that old.
Xehanort, Yen Sid and Eraqus all know the Keyblade War only from hearsay and from legends, so it's pretty unlikely that anyone of them (or their own master, only one generation before) was directly involved.
On that passage, the events described in that tome already happened as that passage describes exactly the outcome of the first Keyblade War, where the world was destroyed and blanketed in darkness. That "power of the future" would then be another name for the few remnants of light that remained in the hearts of children that eventually averted (or rather ended) the "eternal darkness" that had befallen the world.
If I had to make a prediction there will come a time where the five foretellers turn against each other and the five factions start to wage war and Chirithy's warning to the player to not lose sight of the goal themselves amounts to the task to realize when the point comes that following the foretellers will no longer serve the goal but eventually lead into the very disaster the prophecy states.
For KH 3, I would assume that it hold importance in the way that it remains to see if Sora and all his friends and allies repeat the mistakes made back then as the world falling to the darkness (which practically IS future for the foretellers, Chirithy and all Chi-players) has already happend and thus cannot be averted anymore ("Time is immovable") or if they find a third/new option to either avert the whole issue altogether or prevent the outcome the first occurrence had.
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I still say Master Xehanort is (or has some strong connection to) the sixth follower.
There's the whole Sigil of Baphomet on his Keyblade, tying in to the other Foreteller's animal sigil theme, as well as the eye symbol that each of their Keyblades possesses.
On top of that, I've always wondered what significance the name/word "Another" had to Xehanort. We see Xemnas type this password into the computer in Ansem's laboratory. As we all know, Another is anagram for Xehanort (excluding the X). When put into the context of the 5 Forteller's when 6 followers are mentioned, this enigmatic name, Another, starts to make sense.
Now, we have always seen these anagrams used as new names given to Nobodies. That, coupled with the "new" knowledge that Nobodies can grow hearts makes me wonder if Xehanort truly is the original incarnation. Perhaps he was this other follower's method of living forever.
Anywho, that's my brain's limit for now. I need sleep.
You signed up for the wrong series.
#nomanners
#howrude
#stop
That kind of behavior drives people away, friendo. :(
It says six, where's the sixth foreteller, something seems fishy hmm...
Yeah most likely he/she turned to the dark out of hatred coz he/she didn't get a properchy thingy. I think it will be a completly new character.
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Foretellers... My brain hurts... I hope KH4 starts off fresh. My brain needs a break.
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I still say Master Xehanort is (or has some strong connection to) the sixth follower.
There's the whole Sigil of Baphomet on his Keyblade, tying in to the other Foreteller's animal sigil theme, as well as the eye symbol that each of their Keyblades possesses.
...
Now, we have always seen these anagrams used as new names given to Nobodies. That, coupled with the "new" knowledge that Nobodies can grow hearts makes me wonder if Xehanort truly is the original incarnation. Perhaps he was this other follower's method of living forever.
You mean that it's possible that Master Xehanort's old body isn't actually his? And that he had pulled a few instances of physical possession, just like what he had done to Terra, in the past? You know, it actually kind of interests me.
Also, I'm glad that someone thinks that MX is at least related to the other Foretellers isn't completely impossible. When first seeing the other Foretellers' Keyblades, the one thing that first caught my attention is the presence of the blue eye in their design, which is a common factor between them and MX's Keyblade just as you said. However, an important caveat to take note here is that we are making this hypothesis going solely by his Keyblade. And what's this Sigil of Baphomet?
Finally, this quote by Master Xehanort in BbS came to mind after reading your post:
Is the Keyblade War that he mentioned the one which is yet to come? Or is it the past one? I know it's very likely that the war in question is the one which is yet to come, but would there be a possibility, no matter how slight, that he was referring to an event in the past?
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Yen Sid a foreteller? The events surrounding the Keyblade War happened thousands of years ago, he may be old but certainly not that old.
Xehanort, Yen Sid and Eraqus all know the Keyblade War only from hearsay and from legends, so it's pretty unlikely that anyone of them (or their own master, only one generation before) was directly involved.
On that passage, the events described in that tome already happened as that passage describes exactly the outcome of the first Keyblade War, where the world was destroyed and blanketed in darkness. That "power of the future" would then be another name for the few remnants of light that remained in the hearts of children that eventually averted (or rather ended) the "eternal darkness" that had befallen the world.
If I had to make a prediction there will come a time where the five foretellers turn against each other and the five factions start to wage war and Chirithy's warning to the player to not lose sight of the goal themselves amounts to the task to realize when the point comes that following the foretellers will no longer serve the goal but eventually lead into the very disaster the prophecy states.
For KH 3, I would assume that it hold importance in the way that it remains to see if Sora and all his friends and allies repeat the mistakes made back then as the world falling to the darkness (which practically IS future for the foretellers, Chirithy and all Chi-players) has already happend and thus cannot be averted anymore ("Time is immovable") or if they find a third/new option to either avert the whole issue altogether or prevent the outcome the first occurrence had.
I acme here to say that, thanks.
I think so too, since Chi is the past of the past, even before the keyblade war, so the prophecy "already happened" to us and the avatars in the game are borrowing the "power of the future" (Sora's, Riku's, Aqua's, Terra's and co. cards) to avert the situation (but we all know they won't succeed, because the War will happen). The only thing is the sixth follower, as Torn says:
I still say Master Xehanort is (or has some strong connection to) the sixth follower.
There's the whole Sigil of Baphomet on his Keyblade, tying in to the other Foreteller's animal sigil theme, as well as the eye symbol that each of their Keyblades possesses.
On top of that, I've always wondered what significance the name/word "Another" had to Xehanort. We see Xemnas type this password into the computer in Ansem's laboratory. As we all know, Another is anagram for Xehanort (excluding the X). When put into the context of the 5 Forteller's when 6 followers are mentioned, this enigmatic name, Another, starts to make sense.
Now, we have always seen these anagrams used as new names given to Nobodies. That, coupled with the "new" knowledge that Nobodies can grow hearts makes me wonder if Xehanort truly is the original incarnation. Perhaps he was this other follower's method of living forever.
Anywho, that's my brain's limit for now. I need sleep.
Personally, I always tought the anagram was from "No Heart", but looking at this logic you made, Another makes much more sense (altough I still think No Heart makes sense if we talk about the Darkness per se, since it doesn't have a heart and maybe it kind of personified itself into MX.), and sice he is looking for a way to live forever, he may as well be making Nobodies out of himself for a long time until this day.
(And we all know he didn't see the Keyblade War with his own eyes, hence BBS and his atempt to make the X-Blade. But what if he did saw and just forgot? Just like Xemnas forgot who he was when he became a nobody?)
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My favourite little detail here is the fact that the cards are from a book about the future... which is why they have pictures of Sora and the other games' characters on the! Sneaky, very sneaky.
Whoever Foreteller 6 is (if we can even call them that, since they never looked in the book and that seems to be what makes you a "Foreteller"), I'm figuring they're the mysterious person from the Crystals of Light quest. Although, I have to wonder about the Moogle, who once said he came across a whole bunch of cards, when it looks like the Card Get animation is literal and they really come from the book. Did the Foretellers give the Moogles the cards... or the mysterious figure?
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Does this mean I have to pay attention to χ [chi], now? Can I look up dialogue/cutscenes somewhere?
...Is it just me or does unicorn dude kinda look like Xehanort?
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Honestly, I think if the end of KH3 was something like that of FFXIII-2, we could see a really epic ending. I'd love to see all the worlds being taken over by darkness one by one (and witnessing what happens in the world, like Snow White and the dwarves running away, Ariel and Triton trying to fight it but realizing it's futile, etc.) but considering it's the end of a saga, I'm going in expecting a happy ending.
I honestly wouldn't mind if somewhere along the story, the GoL realize that the SoD are going to win and then the story takes a turn and instead of preventing the SoD from winning (which is inevitable) they're just fighting to make sure that light doesn't go away forever (enter the true light).
The hearts of children will shine through the Darkness, resetting the main cast into children. KH4 takes place 10 years after this when they're all 14/15.
and KH1 will just start all over again!!!! GASP! KH4 is going to be KH1 remade on a brand new console!!!!! [/sarcasm]
Either Chirithy (personally, my choice) or someone new.
I honestly would wnat Chirithy, I think KH is lacking in the "really powerful and yet oddly adorable" section that DE's couldn't fill since all the adorable ones just weren't as good as the not so adorable ones :P but I have a feeling Chirithy is just going to be the messenger in the end. His master created him and bestowed his 6 followers, so I don't think Chirithy is being classified as a "follower" here.
Yen Sid a foreteller? The events surrounding the Keyblade War happened thousands of years ago, he may be old but certainly not that old.
(insert some cheap thing about "time travel" here)
My favourite little detail here is the fact that the cards are from a book about the future... which is why they have pictures of Sora and the other games' characters on the! Sneaky, very sneaky.
I thought that was kind of funny honestly, but then that brings me back to my annoyance with the LACK OF BIRTH BY SLEEP CARDS!!!!!!!!!! UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! Is SE just going to continue going on, trying to ignore BbS as much as humanly possible???
EDIT: BbS cards exist...brb, dying...
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Does this mean I have to pay attention to χ [chi], now? Can I look up dialogue/cutscenes somewhere?
No, you don't need to. Just the Foreteller's Script is important for KH3. All you need to know is that this is a fairytale version of the Keyblade War that holds truth to it (i.e. the Foreteller's Script, the factions who fought over the light, all that jazz) and that the children wielding the Keyblade are fighting to try and save the future from the foretold future via the cards that allow them to "use the future" to fight the darkness of the current time.
Not much more than that.
| ...Is it just me or does unicorn dude kinda look like Xehanort? |
In a way they are all supposed to remind us of Xehanort without being directly connected to him.
Personally, I always tought the anagram was from "No Heart", but looking at this logic you made, Another makes much more sense (altough I still think No Heart makes sense if we talk about the Darkness per se, since it doesn't have a heart and maybe it kind of personified itself into MX.), and sice he is looking for a way to live forever, he may as well be making Nobodies out of himself for a long time until this day.
It is both "Another" and "No Heart". Another references how Xehanort is never who he seems, and No Heart was used when you fight Xemnas in armor in BBSFM lol.
If the 6th Foreteller holds more importance than we realize, they could be a certain person whose heart was reincarnated over and over throughout time. A vengeful Foreteller who could not see the future for himself and has desired to do so until the fated day arrived, brought about by his own hands?
Highly doubt body snatching or Nobodies were involved so early on if we're really going to go with this theory.
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The sixth follower must've become a Seeker of Darkness.
Still, I cant really buy into this as a story point yet. It doesn't feel like info, it just feels like more questions.
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If the 6th Foreteller holds more importance than we realize, they could be a certain person whose heart was reincarnated over and over throughout time. A vengeful Foreteller who could not see the future for himself and has desired to do so until the fated day arrived, brought about by his own hands?
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The sixth follower must've become a Seeker of Darkness.
Still, I cant really buy into this as a story point yet. It doesn't feel like info, it just feels like more questions.
That's what story points for an unreleased game are supposed to do...add more questions so people talk about the game.
Honestly, though, it's extremely obvious what the script is saying. With that you can essentially guess the big twist that will happen near the end of the game. It's the most "duh" thing I've ever seen Nomura slap into anything.
Then come the end of KHIII we'll discover that that person is Xehanort. Or Pluto. Or the next villain.
I was implying Xehanort xD
6th Foreteller a villain of the next saga (if he/she isn't connected to Xehanort)? Hm...I wouldn't hate it.
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That's what story points for an unreleased game are supposed to do...add more questions so people talk about the game.
Honestly, though, it's extremely obvious what the script is saying. With that you can essentially guess the big twist that will happen near the end of the game. It's the most "duh" thing I've ever seen Nomura slap into anything.
But somehow, this one specific one, I'm just not processing. Like the time travel one in DDD. The creator, the Foretellers, the sixth Foreteller, Chirithi, the book predicting the future, and indeed a future that seems to have happened in the rest of the series. Somehow, it's not clicking.
As for the next villain, I vote Pluto!
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Maybe someone have said this already but I have a very strong feeling that Yen Sid have one of those books in his possession.
Remember the book in the beginning of KH II?
About the world falling to eternal darkness, I think that have already happened when KH fell to the realm of darkness (I haven't plaid X so correct me if this is impossible).
What we're suppose to focus on is probably the Master, the Foretellers and the 6th follower.
It would be such a huge spoiler if the worlds actually fell to darkness and what would they do with KH IV?
make all the worlds really dark and gritty?
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I'd be surprised if Yen Sid didn't have it.
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Does this mean I have to pay attention to χ [chi], now? Can I look up dialogue/cutscenes somewhere?
...Is it just me or does unicorn dude kinda look like Xehanort?
You don't have to if you don't want to. The only important piece of information is the passage from the Foreteller's script, but if you're interested and want to reach through everything, we've been archiving all the dialogue on the main site, which goldpanner has translated.
Tutorial + Special Events (Things like Crystals of Light, Guilt and whatever new cutscenes are included here)
Dwarf Woodlands
Wonderland
Agrabah
Will add the new content from yesterday's update as soon as possible.
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If they're not of a magical material none of these books should still exist anymore at the current present of the Khverse. No form of paper can be preserved over thousands of years, not to mention that if Yen Sid had one of those, he would be better prepared for things and know more about the Keyblade War than he actually does.
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Agreed.
But somehow, this one specific one, I'm just not processing. Like the time travel one in DDD. The creator, the Foretellers, the sixth Foreteller, Chirithi, the book predicting the future, and indeed a future that seems to have happened in the rest of the series. Somehow, it's not clicking.
As for the next villain, I vote Pluto!
OH. Ignore ALL of that. JUST the bold is the important. THAT is the Foreteller's Script. Everything else is Chirithy talking.
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OH. Ignore ALL of that. JUST the bold is the important. THAT is the Foreteller's Script. Everything else is Chirithy talking.
On that topic I really didn't think Nomura would be that obvious.
The Foreteller's script practically reaffirms the eventual result of the Keyblade War that is/was inevitable since it already happened according to the laws of time in the universe.
Although I do have to admit that the passage when Chirithy speaks about the "power of the future" and that being the cards is a nice and subtle pointing finger as Blackdrazon pointed out, the cards all depict characters of the future (except TAV and most of the BBS-crew "yet").
It's also worth to note (as far as I could see in the card list on the main site so far) that all so far released cards depict either heroes/good guys or neutral characters (like Gantu) but no villains.
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You're going to love this then. Included with last night's update were new attack cards featuring Terra, Aqua, Ventus and Eraqus!
Haven't had a chance to upload them yet since I'm still stuck at work right now, but a few of the members have posted some up in the Card Sharing thread.
I'll post the rest when I get home later, so check them out if you have the chance! As small as they are, they offer a nice new glimpse of the model and texture improvements of 2.5.
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You're going to love this then. Included with last night's update were new attack cards featuring Terra, Aqua, Ventus and Eraqus!
Haven't had a chance to upload them yet since I'm still stuck at work right now, but a few of the members have posted some up in the Card Sharing thread.
I'll post the rest when I get home later, so check them out if you have the chance! As small as they are, they offer a nice new glimpse of the model and texture improvements of 2.5.
Mind if I drool a little (virtually of course)? *ggg*
While I don't play Chi due to no time for online games and language barrier, I always liked the make up of the cards especially because characters are depicted in new poses on some of them like i.e. two cards where Riku and Roxas strike the same pose, only mirrored.
This adds only more fuel to the fire.
I would say it is safe to assume that Nomura is going for the "history is in danger of repeating itself, but something will cause it to end differently this time"-route with KH III overall, possibly even with the "great darkness" actually arriving for a time, but ultimately will not destroy everything this time but repelled before too much damage is done.
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It turns out that MX was actually doing the right thing by summoning Kingdom Hearts to bring forth the precious light but ends up screwing it up because it turned out Sora was partially wrong. Kingdom Hearts is light but holds back the great darkness within. I have no idea what I am talking about now, but I still continue to type. /wtf-sarcasm
To be serious, as long as it's not a Digimon storyline where, "We defeated the enemy who was controlled by this enemy, who was controlled by this enemy, who was controlled by this enemy etc..." Granted, Kingdom Hearts has been like trying to figure out who the hell is the real enemy is. Not Riku, not Maleficent, not Marluxia, not Ansem, not Xemnas, oh it was Master Xehanort the whole time, go figure. Of course, we knew it by that time.
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It's possible the book does still exist. Just little pieces of it were being used as cards in the Keyblade War that worked as "Fragments of power" that can turn a novice into a Keyblade expert, so it's not exactly paper or vellum.
If Yen Sid does have the book, you could make the argument that that makes him a Foreteller without being one of the original six. So long as the book still has something to say of the future, he would be Foretelling the future by reading it. I wonder about the book he showed Sora in KH2?
For anyone wondering about chi's storyline, keep in mind that KHI has all the text prior to this update already translated and ready for reading thanks to Goldpanner!
http://www.khinsider.com/kingdom-hearts-x/worlds/special-events
http://www.khinsider.com/kingdom-hearts-x/worlds/dwarf-woodlands
http://www.khinsider.com/kingdom-hearts-x/worlds/wonderland
http://www.khinsider.com/kingdom-hearts-x/worlds/agrabah
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It sounds like my theory about KH3 ending with Xehanort getting just enough power to screw over the universe but not enough that the damage isn't irreversible, via, Sora and co. going around fixing things with light like the children in the story is becoming more and more plausible.
*scuttles away to make "called it" banner*
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So the entire climax of KH3 was just spoiled huh? LOL
Oh well. I wonder if the 6th foreteller will appear in KH3(maybe as the final boss), or appear in the next saga as a villain?
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Mind if I drool a little (virtually of course)? *ggg*
While I don't play Chi due to no time for online games and language barrier, I always liked the make up of the cards especially because characters are depicted in new poses on some of them like i.e. two cards where Riku and Roxas strike the same pose, only mirrored.
This adds only more fuel to the fire.
I would say it is safe to assume that Nomura is going for the "history is in danger of repeating itself, but something will cause it to end differently this time"-route with KH III overall, possibly even with the "great darkness" actually arriving for a time, but ultimately will not destroy everything this time but repelled before too much damage is done.
And here you go!
Edit: actually i'm just going to copy/paste this because idc bbs <3
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Yet another example of numerical symbolism, I think.
6 followers, 5 fortellers = 6 apprentices, 5 original apprentices before Xehanort's corruption
You could even say that the fortellers and apprentices share the theme of knowledge.
He bestowed His six followers with new names |
That's just a giveaway.
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Mm, they used their new 2.5 models too *u*
That's just a giveaway.
The future is just the past retold~
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You mean that it's possible that Master Xehanort's old body isn't actually his? And that he had pulled a few instances of physical possession, just like what he had done to Terra, in the past? You know, it actually kind of interests me.
Also, I'm glad that someone thinks that MX is at least related to the other Foretellers isn't completely impossible. When first seeing the other Foretellers' Keyblades, the one thing that first caught my attention is the presence of the blue eye in their design, which is a common factor between them and MX's Keyblade just as you said. However, an important caveat to take note here is that we are making this hypothesis going solely by his Keyblade. And what's this Sigil of Baphomet?
Finally, this quote by Master Xehanort in BbS came to mind after reading your post:
Is the Keyblade War that he mentioned the one which is yet to come? Or is it the past one? I know it's very likely that the war in question is the one which is yet to come, but would there be a possibility, no matter how slight, that he was referring to an event in the past?
Personally I find it weird how Xehanort knew that forbidden technique and how his obsession with the Keyblade War/X-Blade took over his life. Something within him could have resonated with the lore of the war. A forgotten past? Personally I think its a cool idea to think of Xehanort as this warrior that kept possessing others just for the sake of one day seeing the war he so deeply begets.
I support this theory.
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The future is just the past retold~
Another Organization, another few rounds with familiar faces, and another crazy KH doomsday plot. Yep, seems so; and I think we can both agree that that's only the tip of the iceberg.
If the prophecy was given to only five of them, then the sixth follower may have represented the one who makes the prophecy come true; the difference between potential and reality. Much like how the foretellers planned to prevent the prophecy, the original apprentices were studying hearts to prevent the corruption of darkness predicted by AtW. However, Xehanort was their sixth foreteller.
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Mm, they used their new 2.5 models too *u*
If only their faces were that animated during battle.
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Yet another example of numerical symbolism, I think.
6 followers, 5 fortellers = 6 apprentices, 5 original apprentices before Xehanort's corruption
You could even say that the fortellers and apprentices share the theme of knowledge.
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That's just a giveaway.
Also that bit about how he created Chirity, in what looked like a test tube. Although Ansem didn't give his followers new names, that was Xemnas.
Also I really hardly see how this connects to KH3. Am I missing something just incredibly obvious?
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The war in that place will lead to the defeat and destruction of the Light.
The World will be enveloped in eternal Darkness.
| Through the cards, you are using the power of the future to try and protect the light from the darkness, and avert the future enveloped in darkness. |
I'm interested to see just how χ's piece of the puzzle will fall into place at the end of it all.
EDIT: Guys what if the sixth Foreteller is the thirteenth Seeker
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OMG HYPE
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I hope they have two endings based on your actions throughout the game. Like one where darkness wins and one where light does. That'd be interesting imo
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Alternate endings, huh? I imagine it would cause a discrepancy in canonicity and as we know, the KHverse can't have both being canon thanks to its linear, singular timeline. I don't think it would leave a good aftertaste, but that's just my personal opinion.
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Games can have a non-canon bad ending and a canon good ending. Just look at X-2 and Persona 4. They both have Bad, Neutral and Good endings (Persona 4 also has the True ending).
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Also that bit about how he created Chirity, in what looked like a test tube. Although Ansem didn't give his followers new names, that was Xemnas.
Well, similar theme of renaming, anyways.
| Also I really hardly see how this connects to KH3. Am I missing something just incredibly obvious? |
It'd be a clue that'd reveal possible patterns across the series; my favorite way of predicting the future is by observing patterns.
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Very foreshadowing, betting it's their attempt to prevent this prophecy that leads to it's outcome. Also the part of "that place" stands out to me.
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If you ask me this information just makes things all the more clear of what Xehanort wants and just as Eraqus said in BBS he wants to reduce the realm of light to nothing all for the sake of pure curiosity. If the X-blade is forged and the Keyblade war begins anew, the realm of light barely survived the last war but after the worlds were separated, the balance was completely restored. Now I believe the forging of the true X-blade is (I know it's blatantly obvious), the 'beginning of the end' as Marluxia puts it. Because the forging of the true X-blade will allow either side to turn the tide on the other... and it will climax with a final confrontation, good vs evil, light vs dark, desire for knowledge of one vs the necessity of all.
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Interesting theory: What if the light is indeed destroyed at the end of KH3? Post installments could be about bringing it back. Perhaps the new villain hates darkness because of this, and wants to destroy it, if and when light is restored? Or maybe a "nothing to lose" villain, who doesn't care about destroying worlds, as long as the light comes back? Maybe they are somehow harvesting worlds for light?
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And here you go!
Edit: actually i'm just going to copy/paste this because idc bbs <3
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[/spoiler]Fuck yeah, BBS, lol.
Gotta love those, and if these are really the new models they created for them I think the issue about if they re-introduce the capes or not is also answered. ;)
Very foreshadowing, betting it's their attempt to prevent this prophecy that leads to it's outcome. Also the part of "that place" stands out to me.
Keyblade Graveyard, that much is obvious.
Very probable, it's a classical theme that when there's a prophecy and some people who try too hard to prevent it in actuality leads exactly to the foretold outcome.
And that it DID happen we already know cuz' it was thousands of years ago and thus already happened. I guess that will inevitably result in x[chi] having the biggest Downer Ending of the series, far outstripping BBS and Days.
The interesting part comes when looking into how this translates into KH 3 and the final fate of the current world as well as Sora, his friends and those people he is supposed to save.
What I certainly do not want to see is an Ending ala End of Evangelion or Eva 3.33, not to mention that such an ending would make anything that has been done in all the other KH games so far and the saving of the tormented ones meaningless.
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These are all interesting theories and revelations. The naming patterns, the idea of Xehanort being the sixth Foreteller, Light being Destroyed or nearly destroyed. All nice to think about.
Though, I dont expect a huge cliffhanger ending to come of this. KH3 is the ending of the current saga, and is expected to be an exit point for many fans. I may be thinking this because I'm tired after a long day, but they can't leave unsatisfied.
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Gotta love those, and if these are really the new models they created for them I think the issue about if they re-introduce the capes or not is also answered. ;)
That was answered when the trailer came out ;p
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It would be very interesting to see the new villain use the Light as the oppressing force.
Reminds of that Yu Gi Oh GX arc where that purple haired kept preaching about the Light and used it to brainwash people.
Perhaps too much usage and faith on Light leads to blindness. No pun intended.
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It would be very interesting to see the new villain use the Light as the oppressing force.
Reminds of that Yu Gi Oh GX arc where that purple haired kept preaching about the Light and used it to brainwash people.
Perhaps too much usage and faith on Light leads to blindness. No pun intended.
Ah yes, Sartorius and the Light of Destruction. One of my favorite arcs.
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When they say "Destroy" the light, could that be interpreted as "Corrupt" the light and "Darkness is a metaphor for "Evil" or something similar
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Possibly, as Darkness and Light are opposite elements and as it was said in BBS that Darkness "cannot be completely destroyed" I would assume that the same rule also applies to the Light.
It is also known that the amount of Light and Darkness inside a heart is not always fixed but can fluctuate with one growing while the other shrinks.
Worlds have hearts too and I guess the whole procedure applies to whole Realms as well, it's just as the old legend of the two wolves from the Cherokee says:
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Leaning on that meaning, I would assume the outcome of the conflict in KH III partly also rests on how all the characters (not just Sora and the seven Guardians) react and act when the time of the final decision comes.
Or said otherwise, the immense Darkness would only gain a lasting foothold if enough characters resort to "feed" the black/dark wolf rather than the white/light one.
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Anyone see a betrayal coming from either side? Isa maybe?
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Anyone see a betrayal coming from either side? Isa maybe?
That would depend on if Isa is in cohorts with Xehanort willingly or not.
If he is forced to fight on Xehanort's side against his will just like Terra and (possibly) Eraqus, him defecting to the side of Sora & co. would not be a betrayal but a return to the side he truly belongs to.
An individual cannot "betray" a side/faction he/she is not willingly working for in the first place.
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That would depend on if Isa is in cohorts with Xehanort willingly or not.
If he is forced to fight on Xehanort's side against his will just like Terra and (possibly) Eraqus, him defecting to the side of Sora & co. would not be a betrayal but a return to the side he truly belongs to.
An individual cannot "betray" a side/faction he/she is not willingly working for in the first place.
Like maybe he is working for Xehanort for certain purpose? Then once he's done it, he betrays him?
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I honestly hope not. Saix was too good of a villain for him to betray.
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Like maybe he is working for Xehanort for certain purpose? Then once he's done it, he betrays him?
At this point it seems like Isa/Saix is in too deep to even think of betraying Xehanort.
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Like maybe he is working for Xehanort for certain purpose? Then once he's done it, he betrays him?
At this point it seems like Isa/Saix is in too deep to even think of betraying Xehanort.
I agree with Sign. Most likely Saix felt like he was betrayed by Axel throughout the course of Days because of him caring about Roxas/Xion more than him. I assume he's under the control of Xehanort so him having to act upon his own feelings is probably limited.
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We all know how literally we should take this passage and apply it to KHIII. Nomura's implications should always be taken with a grain of salt.
Also, who knows the whole, rich future the tomes possess? (No really, I haven't played chi.) For example, what if the prophecy doesn't mention our wild card hero and instead pertains to a future where the keyblade never left Riku's side and passed onto Sora?
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I honestly hope not. Saix was too good of a villain for him to betray.
Riku was a pretty awesome villain but look at what happened. He's one of our big heroes now. Axel/Lea too.
Really, I think there is a lot more to Saix than him just being "too good of a villain" to betray Xehanort.
I suggest taking a look at this thread and reading some of our insights on Saix/Isa as a character.
We all know how literally we should take this passage and apply it to KHIII. Nomura's implications should always be taken with a grain of salt.
Also, who knows the whole, rich future the tomes possess? (No really, I haven't played chi.) For example, what if the prophecy doesn't mention our wild card hero and instead pertains to a future where the keyblade never left Riku's side and passed onto Sora?
That's a tricky thing to deal with. If the tomes held an inaccurate future, then what were the Foretellers really fighting for? They wanted to save the future, but either way they only set in motion the future that was to come. It's easier to believe that the future they had was right but that the future continued on after that final page.
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Riku was a pretty awesome villain but look at what happened. He's one of our big heroes now. Axel/Lea too.
Really, I think there is a lot more to Saix than him just being "too good of a villain" to betray Xehanort.
I suggest taking a look at this thread and reading some of our insights on Saix/Isa as a character.
That's a tricky thing to deal with. If the tomes held an inaccurate future, then what were the Foretellers really fighting for? They wanted to save the future, but either way they only set in motion the future that was to come. It's easier to believe that the future they had was right but that the future continued on after that final page.
I agree with what you say, Ethy. In my opinion, KHIII will elaborate on how the plot of KH chi is connected with KH3's plot.
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It would be interesting if Kingdom Hearts III pulled the same ending Final Fantasy XIII-2: the heroes thought they saved the world, but in reality, after the powerful strain the Keyblade War left in the world order Kingdom Hearts itself comes out from the Realm of Darkness and before it has time to purify everything darkness plunges it and thus the Realm of Light ceases to exist, the Realm of Darkness is now bigger, some worlds will not exist anymore and some will slowly fade away as they are all in a state of post-apocalypse. Or Xehanot manages to summon Kingdom Hearts, tries to use its power but the darkness plunges everything and the Six Foretellers appear out of nowhere, scold Xehanort, lose hope in humanity and begin to attack them in order to kill them all because they are the cause of all of this.
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It would be interesting if Kingdom Hearts III pulled the same ending Final Fantasy XIII-2: the heroes thought they saved the world, but in reality, after the powerful strain the Keyblade War left in the world order Kingdom Hearts itself comes out from the Realm of Darkness and before it has time to purify everything darkness plunges it and thus the Realm of Light ceases to exist, the Realm of Darkness is now bigger, some worlds will not exist anymore and some will slowly fade away as they are all in a state of post-apocalypse. Or Xehanot manages to summon Kingdom Hearts, tries to use its power but the darkness plunges everything and the Six Foretellers appear out of nowhere, scold Xehanort, lose hope in humanity and begin to attack them in order to kill them all because they are the cause of all of this.
The Foretellers are long dead, and they were the reason the war began in the first place so they have nobody to blame but themselves.
XIII-2's ending is XIII-2's ending. Kingdom Hearts 3 won't go into the territory.
If we are do have a doom scare, expect everything to be engulfed in darkness for all of a minute. The whole idea is that the true light was lost with Kingdom Hearts during the Keyblade War because they were fighting over it. The result of Xehanort's war will probably be the return of the true light because Sora and co. are not fighting over the light like those who fought in the Keyblade War. Sora and his friends are fighting FOR the light, and that is the key difference in the past and the future.
Light cannot be extinguished, even when the deepest darkness threatens it. Darkness can enshroud the all of the worlds in existence, but then from within this darkness the lost light can shine true again because it can no longer be hidden within darkness.
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The Foretellers are long dead, and they were the reason the war began in the first place so they have nobody to blame but themselves.
XIII-2's ending is XIII-2's ending. Kingdom Hearts 3 won't go into the territory.
If we are do have a doom scare, expect everything to be engulfed in darkness for all of a minute. The whole idea is that the true light was lost with Kingdom Hearts during the Keyblade War because they were fighting over it. The result of Xehanort's war will probably be the return of the true light because Sora and co. are not fighting over the light like those who fought in the Keyblade War. Sora and his friends are fighting FOR the light, and that is the key difference in the past and the future.
Light cannot be extinguished, even when the deepest darkness threatens it. Darkness can enshroud the all of the worlds in existence, but then from within this darkness the lost light can shine true again because it can no longer be hidden within darkness.
Woo, I just got goosebumps.
(Hate prophecy plots, but really diggin' the macbethesque inevitability and the past being the future with the light on)
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At this point it seems like Isa/Saix is in too deep to even think of betraying Xehanort.
But why did he go to him in the first place?
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YES! the world being enveloped in darkness sounds like a very cool scenario.
"Darkness...is eeeeternalllllll!"
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But why did he go to him in the first place?
We don't know if that's how it happened. Consider for a moment that it was the other way around, or it was an unfortunate circumstance brought upon by certain events.
The popular theory of how Isa got "norted" to begin with is that he and Lea were caught after successfully sneaking into the Radiant Garden castle and then subjected to the heart experiments by Xehanort and the other apprentices.
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But why did he go to him in the first place?
We don't know yet. How he got "norted" will most likely be revealed in KH3.
Personally I think it might of happened when him and Lea were still planning on taking over the organization.
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It would be interesting if Kingdom Hearts III pulled the same ending Final Fantasy XIII-2: the heroes thought they saved the world, but in reality, after the powerful strain the Keyblade War left in the world order Kingdom Hearts itself comes out from the Realm of Darkness and before it has time to purify everything darkness plunges it and thus the Realm of Light ceases to exist, the Realm of Darkness is now bigger, some worlds will not exist anymore and some will slowly fade away as they are all in a state of post-apocalypse. Or Xehanot manages to summon Kingdom Hearts, tries to use its power but the darkness plunges everything and the Six Foretellers appear out of nowhere, scold Xehanort, lose hope in humanity and begin to attack them in order to kill them all because they are the cause of all of this.
I still think the original ending of KH3D was going to be Sora falling into Darkness without any hope of waking up and the game ends on a dark, bleak note.
Then Nomura heard about XIII-2's ending and had to change it.
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It would be interesting if Kingdom Hearts III pulled the same ending Final Fantasy XIII-2: the heroes thought they saved the world, but in reality, after the powerful strain the Keyblade War left in the world order Kingdom Hearts itself comes out from the Realm of Darkness and before it has time to purify everything darkness plunges it and thus the Realm of Light ceases to exist, the Realm of Darkness is now bigger, some worlds will not exist anymore and some will slowly fade away as they are all in a state of post-apocalypse. Or Xehanot manages to summon Kingdom Hearts, tries to use its power but the darkness plunges everything and the Six Foretellers appear out of nowhere, scold Xehanort, lose hope in humanity and begin to attack them in order to kill them all because they are the cause of all of this.
As cool of an ending as that would be, the fact that XIII-2 is so recent, obvious comparisons would be drawn almost immediately and KH3's ending would be the laughing stock of plagiarism everywhere, even if it turns out KH3's ending was thought up way before FFXIII-2.
I still think the original ending of KH3D was going to be Sora falling into Darkness without any hope of waking up and the game ends on a dark, bleak note.
Then Nomura heard about XIII-2's ending and had to change it.
I think the original ending was going to be the world falling to darkness, but then Nomura saw XIII-2's ending and had to change it. Either way, looks like Nomura has beef with FFXIII-2 [/sarcasm]
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What if Isa wanted to get Norted so he could infiltrate, take down or take over the Organization from the inside out? Like their plan to take over the Organization?
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What if Isa wanted to get Norted so he could infiltrate, take down or take over the Organization from the inside out? Like their plan to take over the Organization?
In theory it is possible. The problem is he would have essentially been giving up a part of himself to do this. Xehanort doesn't just give his vessels a power boost and some physical changes. It gives him to the power to take over their bodies at any point, perhaps even read their minds and definitely influences their actions by morphing them into more of what he is like.
It's extremely invasive and even if that as his intended purpose to begin with, he's probably not on that path anymore with all of the above going on within his burgeoning heart. Paired with his and Axel's falling-out...well...
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I still think the original ending of KH3D was going to be Sora falling into Darkness without any hope of waking up and the game ends on a dark, bleak note.
Then Nomura heard about XIII-2's ending and had to change it.
Wasn't it said that Nomura was forced to change it rather than just opting too because of XIII-2?
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What if Isa wanted to get Norted so he could infiltrate, take down or take over the Organization from the inside out? Like their plan to take over the Organization?
Getting himself norted so that xehanort wouldn't suspect him of treason? Maybe. Though I can't see him willingly becoming a puppet just for that when he could have through other means.
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I could see Siax volunteering for something in order to get closer but at the same time I doubt he'd volunteer for norting. Though there is the possibility that Xehanort coerced him into volunteering without really telling Siax what he was volunteering for.
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Wasn't it said that Nomura was forced to change it rather than just opting too because of XIII-2?
It's our little fun theory that this was why he was forced lol
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It's our little fun theory that this was why he was forced lol
lol I see .
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In theory it is possible. The problem is he would have essentially been giving up a part of himself to do this. Xehanort doesn't just give his vessels a power boost and some physical changes. It gives him to the power to take over their bodies at any point, perhaps even read their minds and definitely influences their actions by morphing them into more of what he is like.
It's extremely invasive and even if that as his intended purpose to begin with, he's probably not on that path anymore with all of the above going on within his burgeoning heart. Paired with his and Axel's falling-out...well...
It's like a network, right? what if the reverse is possible? like what if one of the Norts could somehow "Hack" MX and control him? Maybe Isa Wants access to KH as well.
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It's like a network, right? what if the reverse is possible? like what if one of the Norts could somehow "Hack" MX and control him? Maybe Isa Wants access to KH as well.
From what we've learned over the years this isn't possible. Last time I remember nomura describing the norting process was that it makes the person a literal prisoner in their own heart.
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Wasn't it said that Nomura was forced to change it rather than just opting too because of XIII-2?
It was never really said he was forced to change it, nor the reason was XIII-2.
It's our little fun theory that this was why he was forced lol
Lol this.
Seriously, with how happy KH3D ended, it sounds like it originally was going to be bleaker, more along the tone of the XIII-2 ending. Someone from probably Disney (too dark for a Disney game) or Square Enix (They already had a game releasing with a bleak ending a few months prior) so they probably heavily suggested to Nomura to change it.
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From what we've learned over the years this isn't possible. Last time I remember nomura describing the norting process was that it makes the person a literal prisoner in their own heart.
Isa isn't a normal person, though. He's a schemer. Perhaps he has a way around this.
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Isa isn't a normal person, though. He's a schemer. Perhaps he has a way around this.
Yeah but so is Xehanort, who is so good with scheming the he's outwitted even Yen Sid. Besides being crafty doesn't change the fact that he's still a normal person.
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Yeah but so is Xehanort, who is so good with scheming the he's outwitted even Yen Sid. Besides being crafty doesn't change the fact that he's still a normal person.
Still. Isa is full of surprises. The thing with MX is, he only trust himself. That can turn into blind faith. With Isa a Nort, MX will have no reason to distrust him. All the more reason he won't see it coming.
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Still. Isa is full of surprises. The thing with MX is, he only trust himself. That can turn into blind faith. With Isa a Nort, MX will have no reason to distrust him. All the more reason he won't see it coming.
That's were your wrong, it's BECAUSE MX only trusts himself that he puts his vessels under his complete control. He doesn't leave any room for surprises or rebellions.
If he did Terra and Eraqus, both master level wielders, would've broke free a decade ago. Isa is only a normal man and if masters can't even break free of him and if even Yen Sid can't outwit him then Isa hasn't the slightest chance in hell of doing it either.
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That's what I'm saying. He has no reason to mistrust himself. as far as MX knows, Isa is him. All the more reason he won't see it coming. IF Isa has something planned, he may not see it, because he naturally assumes he is under his every whim. Terra and Eraques were strong, sure. But Isa is a schemer like MX. Just like him, maybe he put something in his back pocket beforehand, since, he most likely knew he was going to be Norted. What if he wanted that because he has something planned?
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That's what I'm saying. He has no reason to mistrust himself. All the more reason he won't see it coming. IF Isa has something planned, he may not see it, because he naturally assumes he is under his every whim. Terra and Eraques were strong, sure. But Isa is a schemer like MX. Just like him, maybe he put something in his back pocket beforehand, since, he most likely knew he was going to be Norted. What if he wanted that because he has something planned?
Your honestly giving him to much credit and ignoring just how cunning MX is. It's not about trust or mistrust because MX makes sure he doesn't have to worry about trust. He takes full control specifically to avoid this.
Isa could have all the plans he wants but with MX having a foothold on his heart there's nothing he could think of that MX wouldn't be able to read because of his possession of him.
Again, it doesnt matter if Isa was a schemer or not because he'd never be able to hope to out smart MX when even Yen Sid and Mickey put together can't.
Whether he knew what would happen is irrelevant as after being norted you can't overcome it.
Terra and Eraqus are pointed out as examples because of this. Being master level wielders they have the strongest hearts among normal people like Isa yet even they combined can't break free of Xehanort.
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Again, Isa knew he was gonna become a Nort, so there's a chance he had something planned. What I am saying is, maybe Isa still has some free will. Hasn't his mistrust already been shown with his plot to take over the Organization?
Just saying. Isa KNEW he was gonna get Norted. That's what's different between him and Eraques and Terra IF there was a way to undo it, or gain control of all of them, he could have prepared it beforehand.
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Again, Isa knew he was gonna become a Nort, so there's a chance he had something planned. What I am saying is, maybe Isa still has some free will. Hasn't his mistrust already been shown with his plot to take over the Organization?
Seriously though, I believe there would be no point of Isa pursuing a hidden agenda. Just like what has been said by various other folks before me, it's highly unlikely because MX's taking hold of his heart means that he (Isa) is under his control. If you think about it, would MX, who can exert control over him at his own leisure, allow it to happen? Besides, his plan to take over the Organization had pretty much come to a screeching halt with his drifting away from Axel during the events of Days.
If anything, he's a puppet now, a mere tool for MX to accomplish his goal.
Edit: Shoot, what I had typed with difficulty on my phone is essentially only a rephrasing of what Spock had explained posts upon posts earlier.
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I feel like Isa/Saix is a good example of what Riku would have become, had he defeated Sora in KH1. First under Maleficent's order, and then quickly Ansem in a last ditch manic attempt to get power to destroy Sora with, Saix shows the same signs of immaturity but much more severe; he gave up his entire self for power, and is now nothing like he was when he was a child, nor a good person at all. He's done far worse than Riku ever did, and is well beyond the point of redemption in my book. You can only do so much until you're reviled as a monster.
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I feel like Isa/Saix is a good example of what Riku would have become, had he defeated Sora in KH1. First under Maleficent's order, and then quickly Ansem in a last ditch manic attempt to get power to destroy Sora with, Saix shows the same signs of immaturity but much more severe; he gave up his entire self for power, and is now nothing like he was when he was a child, nor a good person at all. He's done far worse than Riku ever did, and is well beyond the point of redemption in my book. You can only do so much until you're reviled as a monster.
To be fair, we don't even know if he became a vessel by his own choice. He could have been tricked or forced. It's kind of unfair to condemn him when we don't even know how much of his actions were his own or due to xehanort's influence.
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Either way, you can't deny that Isa had an advantage in knowing that he was gonna get Norted, and because of this, he may have a hidden plan/way out.
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Either way, you can't deny that Isa had an advantage in knowing that he was gonna get Norted, and because of this, he may have a hidden plan/way out.
Except that claim is based entirely on assumptions. We don't know if Isa's norting was voluntary and intentional from his position.
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Either way, you can't deny that Isa had an advantage in knowing that he was gonna get Norted, and because of this, he may have a hidden plan/way out.
Was there anything in the game that evidenced that Isa knew about his Nortification? I don't remember if there was, but I might have missed it and would certainly appreciate if you can point it out.
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Not necesarrily voluntary, but he most likely had knowledge of it beforehand.
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Not necesarrily voluntary, but he most likely had knowledge of it beforehand.
knowledge of the nortification? How could he possibly have known of it beforehand?
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Didn't him and Axel voluntarily join the Organization?
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We don't know whether they joined voluntarily or by coercion. What we do know is that Lea and Isa had plans to sneak into the castle, and that's about it. What happened next is up for guesses.
And even if they did join voluntarily, that doesn't mean that they knew that they were going to be Nortified.
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That's were your wrong, it's BECAUSE MX only trusts himself that he puts his vessels under his complete control. He doesn't leave any room for surprises or rebellions.
Honestly, I think that, if Isa willingly became a subject for MX, he could potentially have his own agenda that could come to truth in KH3. However, if he does, I highly doubt it would be the downfall of MX. Just for a little fanfic idea, it's possible that Isa will do something which will throw a kick (temporarily) in MX's plans (we know MX is a better schemer than Isa, or at least we think so, I highly doubt some teenager could outsmart this cunning mastermind who's plan literally crosses time). After MX finds out about this, he takes down Isa (leading to some really sad cutscene between Lea and Isa after Lea realizes he was good all along).
However, the one reason I do NOT think Isa is scheming is because, if he had that much power over himself, why would he choose to ruin his connection to Lea and become so cold to everyone (including his only friend that we know of).
Didn't him and Axel voluntarily join the Organization?
All we know is that Lea and Isa had plans of sneaking into the castle in RG, after that, we don't know what happened.
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"The war in that place will lead to the defeat and destruction of the Light. The World will be enveloped in eternal Darkness. " |
does that mean sora failed about kill dat xehanort?
so KH end in the darkness's hand huh?
or maybe there someone who use time machine and change the world
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Honestly, I think that, if Isa willingly became a subject for MX, he could potentially have his own agenda that could come to truth in KH3. However, if he does, I highly doubt it would be the downfall of MX. Just for a little fanfic idea, it's possible that Isa will do something which will throw a kick (temporarily) in MX's plans (we know MX is a better schemer than Isa, or at least we think so, I highly doubt some teenager could outsmart this cunning mastermind who's plan literally crosses time). After MX finds out about this, he takes down Isa (leading to some really sad cutscene between Lea and Isa after Lea realizes he was good all along).
However, the one reason I do NOT think Isa is scheming is because, if he had that much power over himself, why would he choose to ruin his connection to Lea and become so cold to everyone (including his only friend that we know of).
All we know is that Lea and Isa had plans of sneaking into the castle in RG, after that, we don't know what happened.
see, this is what I mean. Isa most likely has some hidden agenda. Perhaps a way out.
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see, this is what I mean. Isa most likely has some hidden agenda. Perhaps a way out.
Honestly, I doubt a way out. I don't think Isa is or will ever be strong enough to completely get out of MX's hold over him. Not only through planning but pure strength alone, MX is so much stronger than Isa. Maybe he could try to get out and cause a nick in the plans, but even if he has that much power over himself (which isn't a lot) I don't see why he would willingly walk away from his only friend out there (Lea).
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Even if he had that much power, I believe he would still have willingly walked away from Lea (or let's just refer to him as Axel). It was because Axel, his only friend, gave up their friendship for one with Roxas and Xion, one of whom Saix staunchly believed was just an "it". From what had transpired in Days, we saw that Axel drifted further and further away from Saix with each passing day, completely oblivious to Saix's personal attacks ("Real friendship of make-believe one?").
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I don't think Saix really knows what he's gotten into. Heck remember that whole scene in Days when Xigbar insults him by calling him blind? Goes to show how much in the dark he really is.
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He may be able to cause a crack in MX plans, that may lead to the bigger victory for the heroes.
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He may be able to cause a crack in MX plans, that may lead to the bigger victory for the heroes.
Given his, from his point of view, betrayal by Axel/Lea I dont see Isa having much motive to help. Especially when he has no ties at all to sora and he has great, near hate level, dislike for the bond Axel, Roxas and Xion share.
This is why the Lea-Isa confrontation is one I am most anticipated for because I want to see how Lea will handle it. Will he fight Isa outright or will he try to talk his old friend back to his side?
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Redemption. They will fight, Lea will try to talk him back to his senses, Lea will win, and refuse to finish him off, then Isa shows up later on, puts his plan in motion possibly sacrificing himself in the process, say something touching to Lea, like "You were my only friend" or such, and chinking MX armor. Thus, redeeming himself.
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As with your idea of Isa being a schemer that is also just purely assumption. Though I do see Lea at least trying to convince him. (whether he will get through or not is all in the air since we dont know why Isa is a seeker at all)
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Isa could easily be freed from his torment, however Warpchaos, you're just sprouting fanfiction and trying to say "this is truth". There's barely any proof of Isa being redeemed or having a big master plan. I'm not saying him might not have a change of heart but right now everything is conjecture, and should be said as much. It shouldn't be presented by anyone as fact.
Regardless of this, I am completely SHOCKED how this thread turned from being about the connection between Chi and KH3 to one about Isa/Saix's loyalty.
Of course it's an assumption. What else do we have to work on but assumptions right now?
It's not fanfictions, it's theories. that's what we're working on right now. That's the whole point of these forums.
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Of course it's an assumption. What else do we have to work on but assumptions right now?
Nothing. Which is why I'm shocked you're so convinced that Isa has a plan and you're trying to present this as truth.
Right now I think my anger is stemming out of this discussion taking place in this thread. I invite you to start a brand new thread for your talk.
I never at any point said this is truth. and what is the big deal of the discussion? I think it fits perfectly well into the overall topic.
the whole point of this thread is theories anyway.
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I never at any point said this is truth. and what is the big deal of the discussion? I think it fits perfectly well into the overall topic.
But you always failed to provide evidence when asked to, for example when I asked you to show us proof or explain why you said that Isa knew he was going to be Nortified. It's as if you were trying to make claims but unable to substantiate them.
And actually it doesn't fit. Take a look again at the thread title. So as not to derail it further, I'm done.
I don't have any proof, it was a theory. Anyway, the prophecy was about the world falling into darkness, which is why I brought up a possible betrayal from either side, thus, Isa.
It was never really said he was forced to change it, nor the reason was XIII-2.
Lol this.
Seriously, with how happy KH3D ended, it sounds like it originally was going to be bleaker, more along the tone of the XIII-2 ending. Someone from probably Disney (too dark for a Disney game) or Square Enix (They already had a game releasing with a bleak ending a few months prior) so they probably heavily suggested to Nomura to change it.
How is discussion about FF XII-2 any more relevant, Hmm, Chaser?
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How is discussion about FF XII-2 any more relevant, Hmm, Chaser?
Somebody brought up how XIII-2's ending sounds similar to the Foreteller Script, so he was explaining why he felt they had planned to use a similar ending in KH3D and how they won't use it for KH3. Perfectly acceptable in this discussion.
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Somebody brought up how XIII-2's ending sounds similar to the Foreteller Script, so he was explaining why he felt they had planned to use a similar ending in KH3D and how they won't use it for KH3. Perfectly acceptable in this discussion.
And the topic of a betrayal, which could lead to the downfall of either side isn't?
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As I have PM'd you, please do not continue this train of discussion.
Everybody else, please discuss the Foreteller's Script and what you think it means.
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Indeed, the whole Isa converastion has gone on long enough and only vaguely has to do with the the topic. If ya'll want to discuss it further just make a topic for it.
How is discussion about FF XII-2 any more relevant, Hmm, Chaser?
Don't be antagonistic. This isn't the first time you've derailed a topic to discuss your theories. As well, you keep double posting which is against forum rules and I've had to fix your posts about a dozen times already. Three times in a row in this thread in fact. I get that you want to discuss your theories, but please, in the future try to keep them in their appropriate threads and mind the forum rules.
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Indeed, the whole Isa converastion has gone on long enough and only vaguely has to do with the the topic. If ya'll want to discuss it further just make a topic for it.
Don't be antagonistic. This isn't the first time you've derailed a topic to discuss your theories. As well, you keep double posting which is against forum rules and I've had to fix your posts about a dozen times already. Three times in a row in this thread in fact. I get that you want to discuss your theories, but please, in the future try to keep them in their appropriate threads and mind the forum rules.
Ok, Sorry about double posting, but I don't know how to not do that. It just happens when I post twice. Anyway, I derailed nothing. My original post was about a possible betrayal tipping the sides. I just happened to suggest Isa. Feel free to suggest someone else. Lea? Riku? And don't get on my case about them because it's just thrown out there. Could be a betrayal from anyone.
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Ok, Sorry about double posting, but I don't know how to not do that. It just happens when I post twice. Anyway, I derailed nothing. My original post was about a possible betrayal tipping the sides. I just happened to suggest Isa. Feel free to suggest someone else. Lea? Riku? And don't get on my case about them because it's just thrown out there. Could be a betrayal from anyone.
If you have something to add and made the last post, just edit your previouse post.
The topic is about the connection between Chi and KH3. The whole betray conversation has gone on long enough. If you want to talk about potential betrayals in KH3, make a seperate topic for it.
Now please, there will be no more talk of it.
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Everybody else, please discuss the Foreteller's Script and what you think it means.
To me, the way i see what is strange is how Chirithy tells us the power we use from the cards is from the future, which in this case seems believable cause of the tome the Foretellers have, also to me the tome of prophecy seems more than just what it's described for, because of the disney characters appearance's in the various worlds we can explore for the time being, i can assume that the worlds our avatars travel to is somewhere between the time of reality and fairytale cause the characters are real but their appearances should be Pre-BBS since this is before the Keyblade War which still doesn't make sense, assuming it's a era that happened within the tome or S-E is just doing whatever they want... ._., even though the Legend is true about the Keyblade war, i can assume that the 5 unions fought each other to the point of everyone's destruction because of their manifested greed for the light..., looking at all the rusted and abandoned Keyblades at the Keyblade Graveyard possibly could be all our Avatars hard work to the point which ended for a purpose that we couldn't fufill in the end, and that last part about the World being enveloped by darkness seems very true the way the story is going from completing the Daybreak town story mission 5-9 where the other Chirithy says,"And there are already only five forces of light, to boot" and Chirithy says,"We can't cover up deficiencies", from this we can assume that there were probably more than 5 forces of light before then and how our player seems to be put to a test that might not end to well... ._.
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does that mean sora failed about kill dat xehanort?
so KH end in the darkness's hand huh?
or maybe there someone who use time machine and change the world
Not really, that quote describes the eventual outcome of the Keyblade War that already happened.
Remember that x[chi] takes place thousands of years in the past, so the quote that predicts the "future" for the Foretellers, Chirithy, all the player avatars and the world they live in is already the "past" for us as well as Sora and the others.
The fate told in that quote is inevitable because it already happened.
The importance for KH III is that with everything Xehanort is planning to do there is the danger that this grim future could be repeated and the main issue (and anticipation building) is done for players to see if (and moreso, how) Sora, Mickey, Yen Sid and all their allies and friends can prevent history from repeating itself in KH III.
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To me, the way i see what is strange is how Chirithy tells us the power we use from the cards is from the future, which in this case seems believable cause of the tome the Foretellers have, also to me the tome of prophecy seems more than just what it's described for, because of the disney characters appearance's in the various worlds we can explore for the time being, i can assume that the worlds our avatars travel to is somewhere between the time of reality and fairytale cause the characters are real but their appearances should be Pre-BBS since this is before the Keyblade War which still doesn't make sense, assuming it's a era that happened within the tome or S-E is just doing whatever they want... ._., even though the Legend is true about the Keyblade war, i can assume that the 5 unions fought each other to the point of everyone's destruction because of their manifested greed for the light..., looking at all the rusted and abandoned Keyblades at the Keyblade Graveyard possibly could be all our Avatars hard work to the point which ended for a purpose that we couldn't fufill in the end, and that last part about the World being enveloped by darkness seems very true the way the story is going from completing the Daybreak town story mission 5-9 where the other Chirithy says,"And there are already only five forces of light, to boot" and Chirithy says,"We can't cover up deficiencies", from this we can assume that there were probably more than 5 forces of light before then and how our player seems to be put to a test that might not end to well... ._.
Another Faction? Lets see...What other animal have we seen on a Keyblade.....Ovis? Hircus?
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Ok, Sorry about double posting, but I don't know how to not do that.
Just in case you need, when you go to your last post, on the bottom right of the post (if you posted it), there should be an option that says "Edit Post" just click that and voila, no double posting :D I only explain is because I know when I first came out, I don't know why, I just never saw the "Edit Post" button lol so I had a similar problem.
To me, the way i see what is strange is how Chirithy tells us the power we use from the cards is from the future
I doubt this really will be explained, but if the cards are used from the future, does that mean the keyblade wielders can see the cards they're using? If so, couldn't they kind of see their future saviors and put that in the prophecy or something? Also, if these "cards" are from the future, I want some KH3 world cards lol (I know I'm not getting them, but I want them haha before KH3 comes out the better).
| i can assume that the 5 unions fought each other to the point of everyone's destruction because of their manifested greed for the light..., looking at all the rusted and abandoned Keyblades at the Keyblade Graveyard possibly could be all our Avatars hard work to the point which ended for a purpose that we couldn't fufill in the end, and that last part about the World being enveloped by darkness seems very true the way the story is going from completing the Daybreak town story mission 5-9 where the other Chirithy says,"And there are already only five forces of light, to boot" and Chirithy says,"We can't cover up deficiencies", from this we can assume that there were probably more than 5 forces of light before then and how our player seems to be put to a test that might not end to well... ._. |
It's possible that, towards the end of Chi, all the unions stopped fighting but by the time they do so, they realize it's too late and darkness takes over. I mean, this is speculation since we don't know how it ended, but I do wonder if Chi will bring us to the Keyblade Graveyard. I mean, all of these fallen keyblades are there, not in any other worlds (which would imply that, at the time darkness took over, there were barely any wielders in the Disney worlds) so it seems that most ended there.
I also still want them to address how Triton knew about the keyblade, I feel like having a story being passed down to Triton about the keyblade war which caused darkness to take over would be a plausible reason for him to dislike it given he would associate the keyblade with Atlantica ending in darkness.
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I doubt this really will be explained, but if the cards are used from the future, does that mean the keyblade wielders can see the cards they're using? If so, couldn't they kind of see their future saviors and put that in the prophecy or something? Also, if these "cards" are from the future, I want some KH3 world cards lol (I know I'm not getting them, but I want them haha before KH3 comes out the better).
If there were KH3 cards, they would have to put "Master" in front of new Riku cards cause well we all know he's OP based on his SR+ cards..., also the Avatars know the images on the cards are those of Allies in their far future time, but we can assume that they don't know who the villians are in the future cause we don't have any Villain related cards released out yet or probably never... ._.
| It's possible that, towards the end of Chi, all the unions stopped fighting but by the time they do so, they realize it's too late and darkness takes over. I mean, this is speculation since we don't know how it ended, but I do wonder if Chi will bring us to the Keyblade Graveyard. I mean, all of these fallen keyblades are there, not in any other worlds (which would imply that, at the time darkness took over, there were barely any wielders in the Disney worlds) so it seems that most ended there. |
I can assume this is what happened to us during the keyblade war of that time....
| I also still want them to address how Triton knew about the keyblade, I feel like having a story being passed down to Triton about the keyblade war which caused darkness to take over would be a plausible reason for him to dislike it given he would associate the keyblade with Atlantica ending in darkness. |
This is actually interesting, i don't know how he knew about the Keyblade before KH1, since BBS didn't have anything to do with Alantica either, still puzzling ._.
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If there were KH3 cards, they would have to put "Master" in front of new Riku cards cause well we all know he's OP based on his SR+ cards..., also the Avatars know the images on the cards are those of Allies in their far future time, but we can assume that they don't know who the villians are in the future cause we don't have any Villain related cards released out yet or probably never... ._.
Even still...they should have at least described the future wielders given they would be quite important to know about in the future <_< If that is even how it worked (I know technically they couldn't, but I kind of wish Nomura didn't try to explain the cards since now it kind of seems odd).
Chaser
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