Nomura comments on developing KH3 for the PS4
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- Published on January 23, 2014 @ 10:11 am
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With the PS4 finally releasing in Japan next month, the latest Weekly Famitsu managed to ask a few notable Japanese developers on what they think about Sony's latest gaming machine. One of those was our beloved Tetsuya Nomura, director and designer of the Kingdom Hearts series.
Nomura is currently busy developing both Kingdom Hearts 3 and Final Fantasy XV on that particular console (along with the Xbox One), and his opinions on its potential weren't all too positive:
Looking at the PS4, I thought "they've gone too far." I wish they would just let us off the hook. For the player, having a game that's "thoroughly made" makes them excited with anticipation, but for a developer, it's a hurdle we have to overcome.The number of things we have to do keeps increasing and if we keep trying to expand as far as it will go, we'll never be finished. I think we're going to end up being faced with the choice of what to keep and what to give up on [for Kingdom Hearts III].
I really felt the immense response to the Kingdom Hearts III announcement and so it's now my task to figure out how to satisfy all those people who are looking forward to it.
There have been a lot of different consoles in the past, but I feel that this one is the biggest mountain we've had to climb yet, in a good way.
The Kingdom Hearts games have been known to "give up" various features before, among those were visiting Disney Castle in Kingdom Hearts 1, fighting the behemoths and wyverns in the 1000 heartless battle, as well as the boss fight "King" in KH2. However, considering the power of the new generation of consoles, the mere thought of having the Osaka team sacrificing anything in mid-development is disheartening to say the least.
What are your opinions on Nomura's thoughts? Do you feel you agree with them? How will the power of the new generation of consoles truly benefit the next Kingdom Hearts game?
Kingdom Hearts 3 is expected to release on both the PS4 and Xbox One sometime in the near future.
Source: Kotaku
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Hopefully the consoles are powerful enough so they don't have to cut anything out of the game, or sacrifice things like grand scale platforming.
In my opinion, if they are able to throw in the Disney ride attractions, then they should be able to fit in a lot of good things like lots of NPCs, explorable non-linear worlds, mini-games etc.
Hopefully they throw in King as a boss battle as well xD
Yeah. What I don't really understand is what exactly he's having trouble with. It's as if the PS4 too powerful for him, meaning he needs more manpower and resources in order to fully take advantage of its power. So whatever the type of compromise he's referring to, we'll just need to see ...
Maybe he's referring to it being a hard task to include EVERYTHING the fans are expecting in order to keep down costs for resources and to deliver the game sooner
"M-making Kingdom Hearts 3 is some goddamn fucking b-bullshit... It's super gay and I'm sick of working on a Disney g-game for little babies and you guys all want t-too much shit in it... I QUIT. P-please be excited..." - Tetsuya Nomura, February 2014
Japanese developers are spoiled and lazy. Every developer is drooling over the PS4, except them.
Just get your act together. A whole generation passed and Square still hasn't figured HD game development. Now they have stronger, better systems and they still whine about it.
That's what happens when you have spent the last 9 (?) years releasing games for archaic hardware.
Hopefully the consoles are powerful enough so they don't have to cut anything out of the game, or sacrifice things like grand scale platforming.
In my opinion, if they are able to throw in the Disney ride attractions, then they should be able to fit in a lot of good things like lots of NPCs, explorable non-linear worlds, mini-games etc.
Hopefully they throw in King as a boss battle as well xD
The PS4 has 8GB GDDR5 Ram (4GB usable only for the games and the other 4GB reserved for the OS and all the background actions like recording while playing, sharing and all that stuff) and a strong 8-core processor and till now there is no game that needs 4GB Ram to run properly.
Just look what they did with the PS2. Kingdom Hearts 1, 2 and Re: Chain of Memories are one of the highest quality PS2 games (especially the CGI sequneces). I saw PS3 games that looked worse than the PS2 Kingdom Hearts titles xD.
What i want to say is that, with the PS4 and Xbox One, they have more than enough power to give us the best experience and this is the problem that Nomura and his team has to deal with.
He knows that we all have enormous expectations in Kingdom Hearts 3 and especially for a big title like this it is not easy to give us all the stuff that we want at the highest quality that can be reached.
And this is one of the many reasons why you shouldn't expect the Kingdom Hearts 3 release before Q3 2016~Q2 2017
Japanese developers are spoiled and lazy. Every developer is drooling over the PS4, except them.
Just get your act together. A whole generation passed and Square still hasn't figured HD game development. Now they have stronger, better systems and they still whine about it.
That's what happens when you have spent the last 9 (?) years releasing games for archaic hardware.
I don't think you're excited enough.
Please be excited.
Nah, in all honesty, I agree.
One of the interesting things is this was his exact reaction from the Conversation with Creators video (I thought this all sounded familiar):
| I thought it was overkill. (laughs) As expected I gradually accepted it and then I wanted one. (laughs) Players are swelling with expectations, but to make something suitable for this system, this is a hurdle that developers must overcome. The things you can do have increased immensely, so once you start broadening the possibilities, it doesn't end, the possibilities just grow. You're pressed to choose what ideas to keep and what to toss. The announcement at E3 has passed, and I am still feeling the huge response that KH3 received. Everyone was so happy in that moment, I'm challenged by how I'll live up to that expectation with this title. It's a big challenge when you have this system where the power of expression is so high. There have been a variety of systems so far, but I feel like this one is the greatest mountain to overcome. |
Conversation with Creators with Tetsuya Nomura Interview! - News - Kingdom Hearts Insider
Makes me wonder if Famitsu actually talked to Nomura again or just paraphrased what he already said rofl.
I'm not sure I understand why he thinks that "they've gone too far", so I'd appreciate it if someone who does clears it up for me. To me, that sounds like as if he wasn't actually prepared to develop the games for the PS4, but proceeded anyway and now the burden has taken its toll on him. I certainly hope I'm very wrong.
It's going to be hard, if not outright impossible, to please everybody who are looking forward to playing the games... but still, I wish him and his team the very best.
I can't blame Nomura though, jumping over a whole console generation has its difficulties when returning to an even more powerful generation. That, along with all the fan pressure must be overwhelming to say the least.
Well...maybe if a whole generation of home consoles weren't skipped, the PS4 wouldn't be taking as big a "toll" on him. Just sayin'.
I think his concern is more to do with having the ability to do so much.
When he says they'll have to "give up" things, I think he means trimming the fat and keeping the game from being bloated with everything they want to do. While it's always a bit sad to see things pulled from the game, I think (that Nomura thinks) it'd be worse for the game to have everything, and have that be too much. There's also the stress of all the hype, the fanbase that has been whining for the past seven years for this game. There are a lot of expectations, and like Nomura said, it's his job to make sure the game is satisfying; as good as it can be.
In the past on PS2 and handhelds, the hardware was much more limited and, as a result, the teams had a better idea of their limitations.
On the next-gen hardware, those limits are pushed way beyond what they were before, which makes it very tempting to say "oh yeah, we have space on the disc, let's do this!" or "yeah yeah, we can do this as DLC!" or even "we could make this feature online!" I imagine this is especially worrisome for Osaka, who's never done a KH game on a console and may have been thinking of KHIII's scope in more handheld terms.
Yeah, the power of the PS4 isn't limited, it's the problem. The power of next-gen systems makes people demand the moon, and makes devs want the moon, even though they can't honestly deliver it. Japanese developers are financially failing as a rule, which means they can't keep up with Western devs, and Square is the headliner for Japanese dev's financial troubles lately. And remember, it took Nomura seven years to develop a next gen FF game. We're expecting KH in what? Three years? It's true across the industry, it's the reason mid-level devs have been failing for the past generation and are going to fail more: the more power we have, the more we demand, and the less of our demands devs can ultimately fulfil, even the well-funded ones. And so if the PS4 makes us demand the moon, we're going to be even more disappointed.
Long story short: of course something's going to have to get cut from KH3: there's so much they could do but don't have the time or money to do it!
As much as I agree with his point in general, I'm still going to have to disagree with it in this case. No matter what system he's developing on people would still demand the moon: it's just been too long since KH2. It's just this sort of subconscious mistake we make, thinking "It's been this long!" as though that meant "It's been in development this long!" Yeah, there's going to be disappointment from portable-dismissing fans and critics no matter what plays out.
Yeah, the power of the PS4 isn't limited, it's the problem. The power of next-gen systems makes people demand the moon, and makes devs want the moon, even though they can't honestly deliver it. Japanese developers are financially failing as a rule, which means they can't keep up with Western devs, and Square is the headliner for Japanese dev's financial troubles lately. And remember, it took Nomura seven years to develop a next gen FF game.
9 years this summer and still going.
| We're expecting KH in what? Three years? |
Judging from what we've been hearing/reading, I wouldn't be surprised if KH3 skipped this generation as well.
Judging from what we've been hearing/reading, I wouldn't be surprised if KH3 skipped this generation as well.
Nooooo way, Nomura wouldn't do that again. Could you imagine the backlash?
I'm a little disheartened at how entitled some of the posts in this thread are...
Am I reading this right? Is he seriously bitching that the PS4 is 'too capable?' How is the fact that he has more options at his disposal a bad thing? He needs to stop feeling pressured by fans and just focus on making a good game. Add what needs to be added, innovate where you see fit to innovate.
Nooooo way, Nomura wouldn't do that again. Could you imagine the backlash?
I'm a little disheartened at how entitled some of the posts in this thread are...
Both Sony and EA have dropped hints that this generation will be much shorter than the last one (5-6 years).
FFXV is 9 years in development and we haven't seen a playable demo yet, we have no release date etc etc. KH3 is at a much earlier development phase.
Are you willing to bet that they will get their act together and finish it in time? I'm not.
By Sony's estimate, we'll be lucky if we get it near the end of this generation.
He wants to offer everything the system can handle in the game. I understand he's striving for perfection, wanting to make a PS4 game that is generally distinguished from the PS3. He just needs to focus on the necessary components, that make it, well, fun.
Am I reading this right? Is he seriously bitching that the PS4 is 'too capable?' How is the fact that he has more options at his disposal a bad thing? He needs to stop feeling pressured by fans and just focus on making a good game. Add what needs to be added, innovate where you see fit to innovate.
FFXV is 9 years in development and we haven't seen a playable demo yet, we have no release date etc etc. KH3 is at a much earlier development phase.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a big part of that the teams being on other projects (everybody getting pulled in to try and salvage XIV, the XIII sequels, etc)?
9 years this summer and still going.
Eight. Not nine. 2006-2014 is eight years. And FFXV wasn't in dev all of that time. Between 2006-2008/9, it was only in pre-dev. And once 2011 came around and they learned of nextgen consoles, they switched to PS4 which meant starting over with the models and textures.
| Judging from what we've been hearing/reading, I wouldn't be surprised if KH3 skipped this generation as well. |
You're being WAY too pessimistic about what he's saying. He's saying there is so much freedom they literally don't know where to draw a line. It's not that they are having problems with the tech, but that they realize they have so much freedom they don't know what they need to keep and what to get rid of.
This is probably something all developers are struggling with in their own way and Nomura is one of the few who is saying it.
Am I reading this right? Is he seriously bitching that the PS4 is 'too capable?' How is the fact that he has more options at his disposal a bad thing? He needs to stop feeling pressured by fans and just focus on making a good game. Add what needs to be added, innovate where you see fit to innovate.
I didn't read it as bitching. I think he's probably just being really honest and I'm sure he said it with a few chuckles. It's bad because Nomura's ridiculously ambitious. Before the PS4 (and XB1) every game he made with the intention to push the limits of the system. Hell, back in the PS1 days when he was just a character designer, he drew fur on Squall in order to challenge the CG animators to make moving, flowing fur in the opening and ending cinematics.
With the PS4, he has no way of pushing it. There IS no limit except the limits he puts on himself and he's never had to do that before. Now he has the new challenge of figuring out where to draw a line and that's not easy when you want to deliver a good game & implement all of your ideas in a timely manner.
He wants to offer everything the system can handle in the game. I understand he's striving for perfection, wanting to make a PS4 game that is generally distinguished from the PS3. He just needs to focus on the necessary components, that make it, well, fun.
That's really the problem...he's striving for perfection from the fans (and since we'll be buying the game, it's understandable) but "perfection" from the fans is unattainable since everyone wants different things, nobody will get everything they want in KH3, so he just needs to focus on, as others have said, his standard of perfection.
It may sound like he's whining, but his argument has basis, people will expect too much so he doesn't know where to find that balance (that or Famitsu has just been holding this quote for months from us and this was still back from when they last interviewed him).
Hey, here's a idea Nomura why don't you finish kh 2.5 and put an actual date on it. Then you can worry about kingdom hearts 3, and focus on developing that while we're all busy playing 2.5.
You're being WAY too pessimistic about what he's saying. He's saying there is so much freedom they literally don't know where to draw a line. It's not that they are having problems with the tech, but that they realize they have so much freedom they don't know what they need to keep and what to get rid of.
This is probably something all developers are struggling with in their own way and Nomura is one of the few who is saying it.
I didn't read it as bitching. I think he's probably just being really honest and I'm sure he said it with a few chuckles. It's bad because Nomura's ridiculously ambitious. Before the PS4 (and XB1) every game he made with the intention to push the limits of the system. Hell, back in the PS1 days when he was just a character designer, he drew fur on Squall in order to challenge the CG animators to make moving, flowing fur in the opening and ending cinematics.
With the PS4, he has no way of pushing it. There IS no limit except the limits he puts on himself and he's never had to do that before. Now he has the new challenge of figuring out where to draw a line and that's not easy when you want to deliver a good game & implement all of your ideas in a timely manner.
Thank you, that's exactly what I was thinking! For game developers, one of the ways to promote creativity is to work within and around the idea of limits. Especially for someone like Nomura.
Right now, he's like this:
And the possibilities are endless, and that scares me. It must terrify Nomura.
Hey, here's a idea Nomura why don't you finish kh 2.5 and put an actual date on it. Then you can worry about kingdom hearts 3, and focus on developing that while we're all busy playing 2.5.
Uh, you do realize only about 10-15 people are working on 2.5 at any given time? It's a really tiny team comprised of planners and a few programmers. Please keep 2.5 complaints in 2.5 discussions, thank you!
Hopefully the consoles are powerful enough so they don't have to cut anything out of the game, or sacrifice things like grand scale platforming.
In my opinion, if they are able to throw in the Disney ride attractions, then they should be able to fit in a lot of good things like lots of NPCs, explorable non-linear worlds, mini-games etc.
Hopefully they throw in King as a boss battle as well xD
this. Of course, this isn't just a matter of power, but of work. If they cut anything from the game, limitations should not be among the reasons. Of course, rightfully, nothing good should be cut.
Actually, the vibe I got was that he felt the systems were too powerful.
Both Sony and EA have dropped hints that this generation will be much shorter than the last one (5-6 years).
5-6 years is essentially "normal," it wouldn't surprise me if we did land in this neighbourhood.
Both Sony and EA have dropped hints that this generation will be much shorter than the last one (5-6 years).
FFXV is 9 years in development and we haven't seen a playable demo yet, we have no release date etc etc. KH3 is at a much earlier development phase.
Are you willing to bet that they will get their act together and finish it in time? I'm not.
By Sony's estimate, we'll be lucky if we get it near the end of this generation.
So, 5 to 6 years. That means the end of this generation will be in 2019 or 2020, and the PS4 and XB1 will still be going strong by then. Wouldn't it be a wide window of time for KH3 to see its release? If we get it, or its release date is announced to be, near the end of this generation, we won't be lucky. We, or at least a good number of us, would likely be disappointed.
And Nomura might have said what he had said (I myself hoped that he hadn't, but oh well, what's done is done), but we don't need to be all too dismissive and pessimistic. I'm pretty sure that he will deliver the games before this generation ends; otherwise, he would risk a tainted reputation for delaying them for an even later generation. I'm optimistic that he wouldn't want that to happen.
So, in a sense, he feels he has so much freedom. Hard to know where to start and where to end. What to keep in, what to keep out. Makes sense, really. I mean a lot of content can be made, but it's up to them to piece it all together. Sometimes, things aren't necessary for the game.
In this case, it feels like Nomura wants to make everything work for the fans sake. I mean, for many people, KH3 has been a 7-8 year stretch. (For me, I'm not optimism is next year. Reality tells me the following year) It's not surprising those people would be expecting perfection. However from gameplay to story, people will be disappointed because that's just how life is in general.
Whatever happens, I have faith in Nomura and team(s) working on the game.
Am I reading this right? Is he seriously bitching that the PS4 is 'too capable?' How is the fact that he has more options at his disposal a bad thing? He needs to stop feeling pressured by fans and just focus on making a good game. Add what needs to be added, innovate where you see fit to innovate.
Sometimes, having too much at your disposal can damage the outcome. Knowing your limits and working under limited conditions is usually what gives us the best products out there.
Sometimes, having too much at your disposal can damage the outcome. Knowing your limits and working under limited conditions is usually what gives us the best products out there.
Indeed, as weird as it sounds of Nomura complaining about having too much of a good thing, the problem sometimes is having too much of a good thing. The PS4 offers so much it's overwhelming and perhaps he can't "just focus on making a good game" when he's working with a brand new system in which he's not even sure how to do that.
Not to mention, things are delicate now with the fan base right now. Since Square is still a business and KH3 a product to be put out with hopes of making money, fan satisfaction is key. The more vocal fans haven't been satisfied with the series since KH2 because since then they've just put out "pointless filler games". KH3 is very much a make it or break it deal and on top of FFXV, everyone is breathing down Nomura's neck. Things must be really stressful right now.
...everyone is breathing down Nomura's neck. Things must be really stressful right now.
He's been really under-appreciated for such a long time. People have been mistaking him as the reason behind SE's downfall the past years, bitching and whining over him since forever. By this time, heck, he might even be used to it.
Eight. Not nine. 2006-2014 is eight years. And FFXV wasn't in dev all of that time. Between 2006-2008/9, it was only in pre-dev. And once 2011 came around and they learned of nextgen consoles, they switched to PS4 which meant starting over with the models and textures.
Kept thinking 2005 when it was 2006. Don't know why.
In development. Every game starts with a concept, a pitch etc. They didn't start with code and the game engine. But's it's all part of the umbrella term "(in) development". I wish people stopped throwing the "they didn't work all the time on it" around. I don't work on weekends, I took time out of my job for a seminar but I'm saying I've been working for one year, not a year minus this and that. The fact that it changed 100 different states in these 8 years is not comforting, nor is it something to cut them some slack about. That's exactly the problem. That in 8 years, for whatever reason, they couldn't produce a game. How much time do developers need on average for a game? 3 years? 4 if it's really ambitious? Well, double that and you have... 0 games apparently.
They didn't start from scratch on models and textures either. If they did, it doesn't show. More effects, more polished models maybe, higher resolution, better physics and lightning. These are the changes we've seen.
| You're being WAY too pessimistic about what he's saying. He's saying there is so much freedom they literally don't know where to draw a line. It's not that they are having problems with the tech, but that they realize they have so much freedom they don't know what they need to keep and what to get rid of. |
I am not being pessimistic. I'm being cautious.
I don't trust Square, they barely showed any interest (comparatively) for consoles last-gen. So yeah, by normal standards KH should come drop this generation. But it's Square so we can't have that luxury.
Plus, ever since the reveal Nomura has been saying they "revealed the game too early" and now he just added what I can only describe as a "we don't know where to start and/or stop basically".
So last gen was "too complicated to create a game on'', "hard to code" and now they have "given us too much freedom"? :confused:
All in all, have we seen something positive about the development of the game?
| This is probably something all developers are struggling with in their own way and Nomura is one of the few who is saying it. |
Japanese devs. Even Kojima has shared similar statements. Nintendo is another one who is having trouble with HD development and the list goes on (at least for those who haven't lost it completely).
5-6 years is essentially "normal," it wouldn't surprise me if we did land in this neighbourhood.
It is normal, but it's substantially less that the previous generation.
So, 5 to 6 years. That means the end of this generation will be in 2019 or 2020, and the PS4 and XB1 will still be going strong by then. Wouldn't it be a wide window of time for KH3 to see its release? If we get it, or its release date is announced to be, near the end of this generation, we won't be lucky. We, or at least a good number of us, would likely be disappointed.
I'd say late 2018-2019 (cause this gen started in late 2013).
Everybody's forgetting one crucial fact: Nomura's essentially on a deadline. Square's in a tough spot as we all know, and the new president needed to get its act together; I feel like he's the main reason we even got a trailer at E3. He needed to prove he can pull the company together, and E3 was pretty much a decisive event. Now, this article does make me a little more nervous. Originally because of the whole business thing, I was looking for a 2015/2016 release, but now that he's complaining it might be even LATER.
Another thing I feel nervous about is the Osaka team - for some reason I just keep feeling like they haven't been handling the series great. They honestly don't have any real experience with console development (seeing as how the PS3 remasters were ports or cutscenes), not to mention BBS and KH3D afaik are extremely controversial (I don't really have too much of a strong opinion here, but it bothers me that there's even a split like this). Does anybody else feel this way or am I being biased?
I heard after the original team finished FFXV, they were going to merge w/ Osaka and KH3 would go into full development (assuming they also have a deadline and set a 2015 release, late 2014 at the VERY earliest). Is this true?
(I swear if they remove Sora's train, I will knife someone).
not to mention BBS and KH3D afaik are extremely controversial (I don't really have too much of a strong opinion here, but it bothers me that there's even a split like this). Does anybody else feel this way or am I being biased?
People found BBS and DDD to be controversial? The general consensus I've seen is people rated them the best games in the series, gameplay wise.
lol I like that nomura thinks it has to much. xD
Another thing I feel nervous about is the Osaka team - for some reason I just keep feeling like they haven't been handling the series great. They honestly don't have any real experience with console development (seeing as how the PS3 remasters were ports or cutscenes), not to mention BBS and KH3D afaik are extremely controversial (I don't really have too much of a strong opinion here, but it bothers me that there's even a split like this). Does anybody else feel this way or am I being biased?
BBS and 3D are constantly hailed as two of, if not the best entries in the series. There is little doubt in the Osaka team's abilities and they are the the vastly preferred development team, so I'm not quite sure where you came up with the conclusion that the community is so divided over their titles and believes they're not capable.
Really the only gameplay complaint I've heard about 3D is the way you unlock skills being rather annoying (which I agree with).
Really the only gameplay complaint I've heard about 3D is the way you unlock skills being rather annoying (which I agree with).
I partially agree on that but not because of how I unlock abilities but on the fact that I just dont like dream eaters. If I wanted to raise and cater to cute creatures I'd play pokemon more often. =[
Between all the pressure he's facing, the financial issues and the need for self imposed limitations, even KH3 is looking like a big risk. And it's a blockbuster sequel, which is usually something of a guaranteed earner in entertainment.
I think his concern is more to do with having the ability to do so much.
When he says they'll have to "give up" things, I think he means trimming the fat and keeping the game from being bloated with everything they want to do. While it's always a bit sad to see things pulled from the game, I think (that Nomura thinks) it'd be worse for the game to have everything, and have that be too much. There's also the stress of all the hype, the fanbase that has been whining for the past seven years for this game. There are a lot of expectations, and like Nomura said, it's his job to make sure the game is satisfying; as good as it can be.
In the past on PS2 and handhelds, the hardware was much more limited and, as a result, the teams had a better idea of their limitations.
On the next-gen hardware, those limits are pushed way beyond what they were before, which makes it very tempting to say "oh yeah, we have space on the disc, let's do this!" or "yeah yeah, we can do this as DLC!" or even "we could make this feature online!" I imagine this is especially worrisome for Osaka, who's never done a KH game on a console and may have been thinking of KHIII's scope in more handheld terms.
This dude gets it. I think Nomura is just bummed that he knows he can do so much, but only has x amount of time to do it. If anything, I think that's a good sign.
[FONT=arial]I'm suddenly reminded of Nomura's Iwata Asks interview, and how he answered "yes" to this question: " It sounds like you think that limitations are a part of the process of craft, and if it absolutely must be put in, then it has to be fun, right?", and how he thought that limitations actually helped him weave his story and gameplay elements together.
Suddenly, I feel as though we should have seen this situation coming a long time ago...
Still, I have to sympathize with Nomura here. I know it's not easy when the pressure's on you, and you're trying to make everyone happy (and I can't even imagine it on the scope that he's dealing with it). But I have to stand by what a lot of people are saying about Square-Enix these days: that they should focus on the game that they want to make, rather than what people expect of them.
Tbh, I think that's why a lot of people say the games don't have any heart anymore: because they're going about it mechanically, because they have to, instead of really telling the story that would make it all worthwhile for them.
It's nice that Nomura wants to appeal to everyone, don't get me wrong, but at the end of the day... KH is Nomura's baby, and if he's not pleased with it, how can he expect his fans to be?
As long as he loves it, I'm sure that will shine through the game somehow, and the fans will feel that, too, in some way or another. So really... what more can you ask for?
So write your story out to your heart's content, Nomura; edit out the unnecessary parts and gameplay mechanics (and hold onto them for future games, if you wish), and give us the game that you think is the best end to the Dark Seeker Chronicles. The author knows best, after all.
And know that I (and most of your fans, I assume) are behind you and your team one-hundred percent. We've waited a long time for KHIII already, and we can wait a bit longer, if you need us to:)
Understandable opinion from Nomura-san. Limitations are often needed to have focus in your work, whether it is music, drawing, movies, videogames, etc. If not, the audience will have a very incohesive experience.
WIth videogames, the limitations were more or less forced upon you because of the limitations of the consoles. However, with the new gen consoles, these limitations are less and less clear. Meaning: you need to put up your own limitations.
It's a matter of changing your way of working, but I can get that that might be difficult, especially knowing that the KH franchise skipped a generation of consoles.
I hope this game does not become the Sonic the Hedgehog 2006 of the PlayStation 4 generation, really. Sega and Sonic Team tried to accomplish so much with that game that they strayed too far with what made the Sonic franchise what people loved, appreciated and adored. I can predict that the testing of this game will be one hell of an experience for Nomura and his team. They have so much power that they will need to constantly revise it in order to maintain a constant of quality and that it feels like a Kingdom Hearts game and not something too big and expansive that feels like something else. Hopefully, Tetsuya Nomura seems worried, so at the least we can expect a Mr. Nomura with a keen eye to assure us that what he is working for is an experience we should all enjoy.
And going out of topic a bit, does anyone else think that, assuming if Kingdom Hearts III and Final Fantasy XV become blockbuster hits, that Mr. Nomura will become one of Square Enix's most glorious minds since Hironobu Sakaguchi? He has been very busy and dedicated nowadays.
And going out of topic a bit, does anyone else think that, assuming if Kingdom Hearts III and Final Fantasy XV become blockbuster hits, that Mr. Nomura will become one of Square Enix's most glorious minds since Hironobu Sakaguchi? He has been very busy and dedicated nowadays.
There is no doubt in my mind that if Both games are successful (in every sense of the word) then Nomura will gain a ridiculous amount of rep from it. The company will never admit it but these two are so so so important to their future as a company. Nomura can do it but no wonder he is nervous...his family must be too for him!
As long as the game doesn't become like Assassins Creed 3 was during development where too many people worked on the game leading to shoddy gameplay experiences and mini-games no one knew were in there, we should be fine.
I do think Nomura is excited by the power of the PS4 as well. From what he's said in past interviews, he's been amazed at the amount of progress that the Osaka team has done. I think he talked about how impressed he was that Sora now rides car-like enemies all around the battle field or something (not to mention the destructible environments. This is practically Nomura's dream!)
(not to mention the destructible environments. This is practically Nomura's dream!)
If Kingdom Hearts 4 on next-next gen systems doesn't have real time destruction for everything, I'll be very disappointed. I want to actually destroy Disney Castle with my roller coaster in the name of my prophet, Pegleg Pete.
Wait, who's "King"?
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Wait, who's "King"?
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Originally going to be a boss fight in KH2.
Along with Kentauros, the Greek equivalent of Centaur, on the right side. My understanding is that they were supposed to be phases during the Xemnas fight, similar to his dragon form, but didn't make it and stayed a concept.
I hope Mr. Nomura remembers part of the scrapped material they had for every game and finds a way to fit them into Kingdom Hearts III.
I hope Mr. Nomura remembers part of the scrapped material they had for every game and finds a way to fit them into Kingdom Hearts III.
KH3 is not the time to scrape up the old...unless it is BBSv2.
Along with Kentauros, the Greek equivalent of Centaur, on the right side. My understanding is that they were supposed to be phases during the Xemnas fight, similar to his dragon form, but didn't make it and stayed a concept.
Yeah, they were supposed to be forms of the final boss fight, which, while it would have been cool, given the sheer size of the King, I'm pretty sure, if they were put in KH2, they would have been reduced to reaction commands :( I mean, how does Sora even attack that thing without doing some ridiculously cool action (something that could only be done through a reaction command) given he wouldn't even have been as big as it's smallest toe.
Sorry for getting off-topic though :P
Yeah, they were supposed to be forms of the final boss fight, which, while it would have been cool, given the sheer size of the King, I'm pretty sure, if they were put in KH2, they would have been reduced to reaction commands :( I mean, how does Sora even attack that thing without doing some ridiculously cool action (something that could only be done through a reaction command) given he wouldn't even have been as big as it's smallest toe.
Sorry for getting off-topic though :P
Well, I would just like to point out that the dragon form was also enormous. It's likely that the King and Kentauros forms would have been fought while riding the aerial bike thingy in the same way as when Sora and Riku were taking on the dragon.
Originally going to be a boss fight in KH2.
It still irks me we never got this or the behemoths in the 1000 heartless battle. TnT
It still irks me we never got this or the behemoths in the 1000 heartless battle. TnT
Or the Wyverns...
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So, it sounds to me like they finally have the power to do anything with the game, way more than he anticipated. Not to sound rude or like an ass, but it kind of sounds lazy the way he stated, it didn't sound to me like things would be cut because it wasn't powerful enough, but because it's too powerful and he doesn't know how to fill the gap between consoles (he's kind of jumping from ps2 power to ps4)
I think his concern is more to do with having the ability to do so much.
When he says they'll have to "give up" things, I think he means trimming the fat and keeping the game from being bloated with everything they want to do. While it's always a bit sad to see things pulled from the game, I think (that Nomura thinks) it'd be worse for the game to have everything, and have that be too much. There's also the stress of all the hype, the fanbase that has been whining for the past seven years for this game. There are a lot of expectations, and like Nomura said, it's his job to make sure the game is satisfying; as good as it can be.
In the past on PS2 and handhelds, the hardware was much more limited and, as a result, the teams had a better idea of their limitations.
On the next-gen hardware, those limits are pushed way beyond what they were before, which makes it very tempting to say "oh yeah, we have space on the disc, let's do this!" or "yeah yeah, we can do this as DLC!" or even "we could make this feature online!" I imagine this is especially worrisome for Osaka, who's never done a KH game on a console and may have been thinking of KHIII's scope in more handheld terms.
Yeah I agree with you, he will probably have to take out the excess ideas that he wanted to add and most people would think of those ideas as too much (for example flick rush or rubbing your dream eater for 10 hours lol) Also the problems or tasks that keep increasing for them may be like a chain like if they wanted to add more side quests (if that was one of his ideas) he would have to add a part to the map for a new secret boss and he would have to implement the disney ride attacks to be applicable (or not applicable) to those places and then see if flowmotion would also work in those places. Then they may have online so they are going to have to change how the bosses look and how/where you attack them, balance the types of keyblades you can use in a free for all (if they have that) and make a places suitable for mirage arena (or it could be called something else but is pretty much the same thing). I don't know if the Osaka team has dealt with DLC but they would have to see how they would implement those things and maybe have to change the different types of keyblades they keep out and see if they want to keep a lot saved for the DLC or a lot added already in the game (like if they wanted to add keychains) they would have to see if those would be OP or not for bosses or online.
Well you get the point even though some of that may have not made sense lol. It would probably be too much of a task since the PS4 is pretty powerful and the possibilities are endless. But those are the types of things I think Nomura wants to cut out of the game be-it part of the ideas I have up there (like take out some side quests) or the whole thing (like multiplayer...hopefully not haha)
Well, I would just like to point out that the dragon form was also enormous. It's likely that the King and Kentauros forms would have been fought while riding the aerial bike thingy in the same way as when Sora and Riku were taking on the dragon.
Yes it was...yes it was. That or we would have used reaction commands to jump all the way up to the top where there might have been a control room where we faced off against Xemnas (like the portion where we fight Armored Xemnas during the final battle).
Even still though, the dragon portion of the final battle only consists of a few buttons...
Yeah I agree with you, he will probably have to take out the excess ideas that he wanted to add and most people would think of those ideas as too much (for example flick rush or rubbing your dream eater for 10 hours lol)
Honestly, I'm kind of okay with that if that kind of stuff is the stuff he chooses to leave out. KH1 and KH2 were games with great lengths (in terms of stories) but with the PS4 they could easily include multiplayer, larger areas with NPCs, and lots of well-planned sidequests and then some. What I mentioned is all I could ask for...
Honestly, this time around if they cut down content is not because the console itself can handle it. The only reason they say that is because generating all those models and textures in high definition takes a lot of time (considering the detail that's going on into making them).
If for KH2 they spent 1000 hours in the process of creating and animating all the characters and enviroment animated meshes, for KH3 you can expect them to take triple the time to generate the same amount of content with KH3 standard quality.
So yeah, I'm pretty sure the game is gonna suffer a bit from almost no end-game content (which is what I actually like the most). The same thing happened with DDD, where they rushed it to get it on the market by scheduled time.
Honestly, this time around if they cut down content is not because the console itself can handle it. The only reason they say that is because generating all those models and textures in high definition takes a lot of time (considering the detail that's going on into making them).
If for KH2 they spent 1000 hours in the process of creating and animating all the characters and enviroment animated meshes, for KH3 you can expect them to take triple the time to generate the same amount of content with KH3 standard quality.
So yeah, I'm pretty sure the game is gonna suffer a bit from almost no end-game content (which is what I actually like the most). The same thing happened with DDD, where they rushed it to get it on the market by scheduled time.
In other words, if they did have done a bad and rush job on it to get it out in the gaming markets like KH1, KH2 and KHBBS have suffered, then they'll develop some final mix add-ons later once KH3 is released as either a stand-alone copy or some sort of DLC or included in an hypothetical KH 3.5 HD REMIX collection.
EDIT: if they did pull a few of extra add-ons that weren't in japanese version for international versions on us like KH1 and KHBBS.
KH2 and the other games have absloutely no extra contents in both japanese and international versions.
In other words, if they did have done a bad and rush job on it to get it out in the gaming markets like KH1, KH2 and KHBBS have suffered, then they'll develop some final mix add-ons later once KH3 is released as either a stand-alone copy or some sort of DLC or included in an hypothetical KH 3.5 HD REMIX collection.
EDIT: if they did pull a few of extra add-ons that weren't in japanese version for international versions on us like KH1 and KHBBS.
KH2 and the other games have absloutely no extra contents in both japanese and international versions.
Hope it comes out soon enough.
Do you guys think they will continue animating the graphics with future games like this with all the trouble they are having?
Hope it comes out soon enough.
Do you guys think they will continue animating the graphics with future games like this with all the trouble they are having?
Who said they're having trouble? This is how Nomura has wanted the games to look like since the first game.
Who said they're having trouble? This is how Nomura has wanted the games to look like since the first game.
Problems.He is trying to deliver everything the fans are expecting. Also said in previous posts, a little to much isn't always good.
Problems.He is trying to deliver everything the fans are expecting. Also said in previous posts, a little to much isn't always good.
But what you're saying now has absolutely nothing to do with what Chaser was responding to, hence the confusion.
Problems.He is trying to deliver everything the fans are expecting. Also said in previous posts, a little to much isn't always good.
Trying to deliver fan expectations and animating graphics are two different things.
But what you're saying now has absolutely nothing to do with what Chaser was responding to, hence the confusion.
I'm not saying he has troubles with the graphics.He has too much with the new consles so I was wondering do you guys think he will continue animating the graphics like this in future games? Sorry for the confusion. I say what I say in my head but it doesn't come out right.
EDIT: If those things are related.
I'm not saying he has troubles with the graphics.He has too much with the new consles so I was wondering do you guys think he will continue animating the graphics like this in future games? Sorry for the confusion. I say what I say in my head but it doesn't come out right.
EDIT: If those things are related.
It depends on your point of you. You could argue that once he's done it, he knows the drill and another game wouldn't be as hard. They would also have the game assets (character and world models, textures etc.) and the visual look of the game ready so that would reduce research and development time. Usually the first game of a generation is hard, the rest are easier, take less time to develop and are way more polished and beautiful.
However, we don't know what Square or Nomura have in store for the series next. They could go full mobile after KH3. I hope they don't but you know...
Bring on our mobile future. I want KH to end at 3 on the consoles.
All that spin off garbage can go to iOS
Can we not discuss KH going to mobile...It makes my heart ache.
Bring on our mobile future. I want KH to end at 3 on the consoles.
All that spin off garbage can go to iOS
No...KH should never be degraded by being put on iOS...don't get me wrong, iOS games are not bad, but their simple, mindless games I find (usually). It is rare for me to find a game with a great story that originated on iOS.
There seems to be a stereotype applied to iOS or Android games, and that stereotype seems to be that they are only casual games with simple gameplay. There are some games out there that breaks the mould, of course, but a great number of games seem to fall under this just-for-fun category and I don't think I want KH to take that route.
I can't see why they would stop at KH3 on the consoles though. Hopefully I don't get this wrong: if the team are able to define their own limits on the seemingly limitless capabilities of the PS4 (which is uncharted waters for them), they will most likely stick with it for the subsequent instalment of the series.
Can we not discuss KH going to mobile...It makes my heart ache.
Hearing it could go multi-form again at all almost breaks mine. ;A;
The only multi-platform I can stand if it's one game on various platforms *cough*PS4andVita*/cough*.
But this isn't the thread to talk about KH going mobile. This is about Nomura and his team developing for the PS4/Xbox One.
Nomura should keep everything that will make kh3 great and through out anything that is distasteful to kh fans. And he really should not release it to the xboxone, it simply does not make sense. anyone else agree?:tongue:
Nomura should keep everything that will make kh3 great and through out anything that is distasteful to kh fans. And he really should not release it to the xboxone, it simply does not make sense. anyone else agree?:tongue:
The issue Nomura seemes to ge having is narrowing those things down. What will or won't distress the fans is really subjective though. Doesn't make much difference if it's on the XBox One or not. I reckon it'll sell less than the PS4 version, but it's not strictly harmful either. There are people who own XBox Ones that are KH fans as well who probably don't want to invest in a PS4.
Nomura should keep everything that will make kh3 great and through out anything that is distasteful to kh fans. And he really should not release it to the xboxone, it simply does not make sense. anyone else agree?:tongue:
It's not like he chose to release it to XB1. And it isn't like it affects anybody. That just means more sales for the game, so why should it matter if it goes to XB1 or not?
There are a million different things that are "distasteful" to Kingdom Hearts fans. Trying to cater to us is not the answer because we all have our own ideas of what KH should be like. Some people want Axel and Roxas to confess their undying love to each other, for Xion to not exist, to make Sora go evil, to push Kairi into the spotlight, for Riku to get a girlfriend, for Disney to be cut from the series, for a Star Wars world...
That is the last thing Nomura should do. He should listen to himself and his team and make the game he wants above all else because that is what he's done since the start.
Keyblade, I would edit your post and take out that "xboxone" comment lol That's just bound to get you flack here since for the majority of us (including myself), I think we're fine with it going to Xbox One and at least I find those "it shouldn't be on Xbox One because..." arguments degrading for Sony fans because it really doesn't make any sense for it not to be on XB1 from a fan's perspective. From a sales' perspective is another thing, but from a fan's perspective, I don't think it really matters what system it is released for, so long as the one you wanted got it (in this case, PS4).
P.S. He IS releasing it for Xbox One so that's happening regardless of who wants it or not ^_^
Saw the weirdest thing on the Internet. Two sites said KH3 is due out before the end of 2014 and it said it was said by Square Enix.Three things popped into my head.It isn't true, the game is being rushed, or it is true.
Saw the weirdest thing on the Internet. Two sites said KH3 is due out before the end of 2014 and it said it was said by Square Enix.Three things popped into my head.It isn't true, the game is being rushed, or it is true.
What were these sites called? Could you post a link?
What were these sites called? Could you post a link?
Kingdom Hearts 3 due out this year -- report -- PlayStation Universe
Kingdom Hearts 3 Release Date Pegged For 2014 In Latest Official UK Launch Calendar [REPORT] - International Digital Times
Placeholder dates. Not true. Let's move on from this.
Placeholder dates. Not true. Let's move on from this.
Yeah, thought so too.Why must the Internet toy with my emotions?
Yeah, thought so too.Why must the Internet toy with my emotions?
Because the internet is full of lies, that's why. Never trust it unless it comes from the horse's mouth. i.e. press releases, official tweets, interviews, etc.
Because the internet is full of lies, that's why. Never trust it unless it comes from the horse's mouth. i.e. press releases, official tweets, interviews, etc.
Or from loveable, old Chaser. BTW FFXV is getting a stealth release tomorrow #trufaxs
Or from loveable, old Chaser. BTW FFXV is getting a stealth release tomorrow #trufaxs
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! I'm waiting outside in the frigid cold demanding my GameStop let me in but they keep telling me it's lies, I won't stand to believe it! jk
I wish KH3 had a chance at coming out this year, but if Nomura is saying that developing on the PS4 is proving problematic, for whatever reason, this early in the year, I know we have no chance :(
The PS4 has 8GB GDDR5 Ram (4GB usable only for the games and the other 4GB reserved for the OS and all the background actions like recording while playing, sharing and all that stuff) and a strong 8-core processor and till now there is no game that needs 4GB Ram to run properly.
Just look what they did with the PS2. Kingdom Hearts 1, 2 and Re: Chain of Memories are one of the highest quality PS2 games (especially the CGI sequneces). I saw PS3 games that looked worse than the PS2 Kingdom Hearts titles xD.
What i want to say is that, with the PS4 and Xbox One, they have more than enough power to give us the best experience and this is the problem that Nomura and his team has to deal with.
He knows that we all have enormous expectations in Kingdom Hearts 3 and especially for a big title like this it is not easy to give us all the stuff that we want at the highest quality that can be reached.
And this is one of the many reasons why you shouldn't expect the Kingdom Hearts 3 release before Q3 2016~Q2 2017
The rumored RAM usage on the PS4 for games is actually 5gb, and even then Sony has given no confirmation one way or the other. There is, however, an additional 256mb of RAM hidden in the PS4 (along with a secondary co-processor) to handle background tasks, so it's not unreasonable to assume the very minimalist OS for the PS4 only uses 2-3gb of RAM.
I think Nomura just knows that it's been forever since KH2 came out and that the fans are getting restless. Now that he's skipped an entire generation of consoles I can see how overwhelming it might be in terms of not only meeting fan expectations, but his own expectations as well. He's probably feeling the heat and the pressure as it is. I wouldn't be too concerned. I'm not. I have full confidence he'll give us a great product. Kingdom Hearts isn't like other series because I don't know what to expect. I know which worlds or characters I'd like to see, but beyond that I have know idea what's in store.
I think Nomura just knows that it's been forever since KH2 came out and that the fans are getting restless. Now that he's skipped an entire generation of consoles I can see how overwhelming it might be in terms of not only meeting fan expectations, but his own expectations as well. He's probably feeling the heat and the pressure as it is. I wouldn't be too concerned. I'm not. I have full confidence he'll give us a great product. Kingdom Hearts isn't like other series because I don't know what to expect. I know which worlds or characters I'd like to see, but beyond that I have know idea what's in store.
I think we're all confident the final product will be something worthwhile, but I do understand him being a bit nervous, because at this stage in the game, there is no way KH3 is going to live up to everyone's expectations. Heck, I'd say that when it first comes out it'll be pretty divided only because people will just want to complain lol xD
I think we're all confident the final product will be something worthwhile, but I do understand him being a bit nervous, because at this stage in the game, there is no way KH3 is going to live up to everyone's expectations. Heck, I'd say that when it first comes out it'll be pretty divided only because people will just want to complain lol xD
Hasn't it always been that way for every game in the series, though? There's no way that the games could have fully fulfilled everyone's expectations, otherwise we wouldn't have seen people classifying which games are under their favourite and otherwise.
At this time we can only have faith in Nomura delivering the best that he can offer. When it comes to KH, we've learned not to let our excitement get the better of us and get our hopes up. Sometimes, when you soar high, you fall really hard. :P
I kind of agree with nomera becuse if i was a game developer i would have all the stress to get people what they want in the game.
Hasn't it always been that way for every game in the series, though? There's no way that the games could have fully fulfilled everyone's expectations, otherwise we wouldn't have seen people classifying which games are under their favourite and otherwise.
At this time we can only have faith in Nomura delivering the best that he can offer. When it comes to KH, we've learned not to let our excitement get the better of us and get our hopes up. Sometimes, when you soar high, you fall really hard. :P
We can't speak for everyone though. This game will have somewhat been a decade in the making, many of those players will still have not played the other games outside 1 and 2. Even those of us who know we can be disappointed have let our expectations run a little bit.
But yeah, the capacity to disappoint is that much higher.
I am hoping whatever they cut out in KH3, they can add in KH3 FM if they have one.I know that they can't deliver everything the fans are wanting like all Disney worlds,or other things they are wanting,I don't know.Because I'd personally be happy with whatever I get.But anyways,they could most likely get more things in the Final Mix but not absolutely everything.
Why make a Final Mix when they could just release the extra content as DLC?
Can someone tell me why they don't make a version for PC, because I only heard about release on the next-gen consoles. because i'm pretty sure a decent pc can run the game, although that depends on minimum system requirements.
Can someone tell me why they don't make a version for PC, because I only heard about release on the next-gen consoles. because i'm pretty sure a decent pc can run the game, although that depends on minimum system requirements.
Small market and piracy.....
Can someone tell me why they don't make a version for PC, because I only heard about release on the next-gen consoles. because i'm pretty sure a decent pc can run the game, although that depends on minimum system requirements.
Besides the small market and piracy (but that is why DRM exists) thing mentioned by Lnds500, there is also the fact that the Japanese audience aren't huge PC gamers. Oh, they play games on PC but they tend to be games that don't require insane specs to run a game. Stuff like visual novels, social games, and indie stuff are more likely to be played by the gaming youth of Japan but you'll find most of them are gaming on their phones or on handheld systems.
The market isn't strong there, and while there is a larger one outside of Japan, I don't think you'll find Square Enix Japan wanting to cater to them without substantial interest being made by fans.
Besides the small market and piracy (but that is why DRM exists) thing mentioned by Lnds500, there is also the fact that the Japanese audience aren't huge PC gamers. Oh, they play games on PC but they tend to be games that don't require insane specs to run a game. Stuff like visual novels, social games, and indie stuff are more likely to be played by the gaming youth of Japan but you'll find most of them are gaming on their phones or on handheld systems.
The market isn't strong there, and while there is a larger one outside of Japan, I don't think you'll find Square Enix Japan wanting to cater to them without substantial interest being made by fans.
But imagine the mods. You can't deny the prospect of a mod-friendly KH being interesting at the very least. IF it's used creatively, as opposed to 'my original character, Xeebob' or waifu mods.
Why make a Final Mix when they could just release the extra content as DLC?
Well, with how the industry handles these things nowadays, it would probably be DLC first, and then a Final Mix Complete Edition later on like so many other games seem to do. Plus some of the FM additions happen in early parts of the game. Not everyone is keen to restart games for something like that.
But imagine the mods. You can't deny the prospect of a mod-friendly KH being interesting at the very least. IF it's used creatively, as opposed to 'my original character, Xeebob' or waifu mods.
Oh, definitely. The potential is boundless, especially to fill whatever voids will be left in KH3. NPC mods if they only have a small number, a weather system or day/night cycle, up the particle effects on spells and flashy attacks, and framerate mods.
(Though I'm the type that'd totally go for cosmetic changes like every make character made shirtless, or replace Keyblades with brooms...because I'm just that [strike]trashy[/strike]classy~)
Oh, definitely. The potential is boundless, especially to fill whatever voids will be left in KH3. NPC mods if they only have a small number, a weather system or day/night cycle, up the particle effects on spells and flashy attacks, and framerate mods.
(Though I'm the type that'd totally go for cosmetic changes like every make character made shirtless, or replace Keyblades with brooms...because I'm just that [strike]trashy[/strike]classy~)
Or replace all the characters with Keyblades and all the Keyblades with characters.. This is probably deserving a thread of it's own. There's actually a developing mod community for KH1, complete with graphical enhancements, voice swaps, texture swaps, and new abilities. Although it's done through emulation, and emulation is apparently the devil.
Why make a Final Mix when they could just release the extra content as DLC?
I think a Final Mix will happen in Japan (like usual) because:
1) It's a way to include the English audio track
2) It's a way to get the people in Japan to pay full price or close to full price for a good amount of extra content since people in Japan soak up special editions and things like that ;)
But imagine the mods. You can't deny the prospect of a mod-friendly KH being interesting at the very least. IF it's used creatively, as opposed to 'my original character, Xeebob' or waifu mods.
While I admit the mods would be amazing, most game companies don't make their games with the thought that it'll be great to mod the game lol I think the potential is always there though...
Why make a Final Mix when they could just release the extra content as DLC?
Knowing our luck the DLC would be japan only. ತಎತ *snort*
I think a Final Mix will happen in Japan (like usual) because:
1) It's a way to include the English audio track
2) It's a way to get the people in Japan to pay full price or close to full price for a good amount of extra content since people in Japan soak up special editions and things like that ;)
Actually Square Enix is starting to offer Audio packs for other regions, as shown by them trying to see how many people are interested in downloading the Japanese voice pack for Lightning Returns, so they could easily just put the English audio up on the PSN.
Knowing our luck the DLC would be japan only. ತಎತ *snort*
Aw, I beg of everyone, let that not be true.
Hasn't Nomura stated that he wanted the occidental audience to experience the extra contents in the Final Mix versions as well? Now that the presence of DLC has made it easier for players to make purchases and all (you know, the saying that right now the world is at your fingertips), making it Japan-exclusive doesn't seem to go along with Nomura's intentions.
I think a Final Mix will happen in Japan (like usual) because:
1) It's a way to include the English audio track
Which is made irrelevant by the potential for DLC. (Which SE has been testing the waters with ala LRFF, Drakengard 3, and that ridiculously expensive Tomb Raider language DLC nobody was going to spend money on) Why miss out on making money before making a "GOTY" edition?
| 2) It's a way to get the people in Japan to pay full price or close to full price for a good amount of extra content since people in Japan soak up special editions and things like that ;) |
I wouldn't say Japan soaks them up. They seem to appreciate them more than western countries do, but I think they dislike the artificial need for "Final Mix" games as much as we do.
What would make more sense is to do a bunch of DLC stuff then release a "Final Mix" version that bundles it all in + some extra worldwide because GOTY editions aren't as strange as they were a few years ago.
This is why I am certain we'll be getting a stream of cosmetic and story DLC for KH3 before Nomura ever opens his mouth about a Final Mix edition.
| While I admit the mods would be amazing, most game companies don't make their games with the thought that it'll be great to mod the game lol I think the potential is always there though... |
Nobody's talking about what the game company cares about xD If they got their way, nobody would ever even criticize their games.
Actually Square Enix is starting to offer Audio packs for other regions, as shown by them trying to see how many people are interested in downloading the Japanese voice pack for Lightning Returns, so they could easily just put the English audio up on the PSN.
Wow, I actually have never heard of them doing this. I just didn't think it happened that audio tracks were put up as DLC, but if that's true, then that does indeed get rid of the need for a disc for it :)
I wouldn't say Japan soaks them up. They seem to appreciate them more than western countries do, but I think they dislike the artificial need for "Final Mix" games as much as we do.
lol Maybe "soaks them up" sounded like a bit of an exaggeration, but when I talked to a few of the marketing reps for KH (at least who make the special editions for the US) they said the reason why Japan gets so much more stuff is because Japan is so willing to buy special editions easily; their words, not mine (they didn't say "soak them up" lol just to make that clear, I take full responsibility for that term).
| What would make more sense is to do a bunch of DLC stuff then release a "Final Mix" version that bundles it all in + some extra worldwide because GOTY editions aren't as strange as they were a few years ago. |
The only reason I don't see them releasing a Final Mix as a GOTY edition is because if they released a Final Mix disc after all the DLC came out already (including the audio pack) then I think it's far less an incentive for people to buy it. I'm not sure how they could do it honestly, but as long as I can get the DLC, I really don't care how :)
Wow, I actually have never heard of them doing this. I just didn't think it happened that audio tracks were put up as DLC, but if that's true, then that does indeed get rid of the need for a disc for it :)
| lol Maybe "soaks them up" sounded like a bit of an exaggeration, but when I talked to a few of the marketing reps for KH (at least who make the special editions for the US) they said the reason why Japan gets so much more stuff is because Japan is so willing to buy special editions easily; their words, not mine (they didn't say "soak them up" lol just to make that clear, I take full responsibility for that term). |
| The only reason I don't see them releasing a Final Mix as a GOTY edition is because if they released a Final Mix disc after all the DLC came out already (including the audio pack) then I think it's far less an incentive for people to buy it. I'm not sure how they could do it honestly, but as long as I can get the DLC, I really don't care how :) |
That can be argued in the case of any GOTY edition. But they're still bundled and released. They're more for the benefit of new players who don't already own the game and those who had the foresight enough to hold out to avoid overspending.
Yeah, Foreign Language DLC is becoming a thing. Sometimes, multiple audio and subtitle tracks are bundled in the same pacjage.
I'm kind of torn on whether or not I want a Japanese audio pack now as DLC, regardless of how unlikely it is to be release in the US.
| They do, which I actually wish would happen more in America. We still see special editions all the time, it's just that most people-even fans-don't like the idea of twice paying full price, even if it's a Final Mix or an Extended Edition. Understandably too. |
I agree that I want more special editions over here but it's understandable that it isn't given JRPGs aren't nearly as big here as they are in Japan where they are more guaranteed to sell as opposed to sitting on the shelf. Not to mention we're no doubt biased with our love for KH :P
I'm kind of torn on whether or not I want a Japanese audio pack now as DLC, regardless of how unlikely it is to be release in the US.
Why? What is so bad about it? The VAs get paid, the company gets paid, everybody gets paid. We get voices.
???
Profit
| I agree that I want more special editions over here but it's understandable that it isn't given JRPGs aren't nearly as big here as they are in Japan where they are more guaranteed to sell as opposed to sitting on the shelf. Not to mention we're no doubt biased with our love for KH :P |
It's not even a matter of being a JRPG. Many games no matter the genre or popularity in NA get limited edition. The problem is either that devs aren't investing in them or they are and they overdo it (see: Ubisoft)
The solution is to a) invest in them because there is the fanatic fan who will buy it, b) make them actually limited to avoid overspending on making them. Don't slap "Limited Edition" on something then print 100k+ of them.
Why? What is so bad about it? The VAs get paid, the company gets paid, everybody gets paid. We get voices.
???
Profit
Because I don't want it to be expensive lol :( If it's a good price, oh yes I'd jump at it, but if it's expensive, it'll just kill me that I want it but it's too pricey <_<
| It's not even a matter of being a JRPG. Many games no matter the genre or popularity in NA get limited edition. The problem is either that devs aren't investing in them or they are and they overdo it (see: Ubisoft) The solution is to a) invest in them because there is the fanatic fan who will buy it, b) make them actually limited to avoid overspending on making them. Don't slap "Limited Edition" on something then print 100k+ of them. |
lol this is true IDK why they just make incredibly limited edition versions. Like ones with barely 1000 in the entire nation. They could charge pretty much whatever they want (within reason, no $1000 special editions obviously) and those 1000 would definitely between actual fans and people who buy extra to re-sell them online (since after those 1000 are gone the price would no doubt skyrocket on the secondary market...supply and demand and all that stuff I don't really get).
Because I don't want it to be expensive lol :( If it's a good price, oh yes I'd jump at it, but if it's expensive, it'll just kill me that I want it but it's too pricey <_<
It's an option so it doesn't hurt, no matter if it's priced or not.
The voice DLC for LR is free though so they could be following that route which is commendable, to say the least.
The voice DLC for LR is free though so they could be following that route which is commendable, to say the least.
Free for the first 2 weeks actually. After that, you need to buy it.
Free for the first 2 weeks actually. After that, you need to buy it.
Yeah but it's free for everyone, even for those who don't have the game yet. So you just go on the store and purchase it for future use - I don't know why Square didn't make that clearer.
The way they worded it, it sounds like they would do it only after they've released a console version. Japanese people don't PC game that much and that tends to be their primary audience regardless of sales trends in other countries.
I could really see it going either way for FFXV, given Square has released FF on PC before.. For Kingdom Hearts, I really can't say. We never had KH on Xbone either, but that changed..
It's an option so it doesn't hurt, no matter if it's priced or not.
But IF it is expensive, I want it, I'd rather not pay a ridiculous price for it (but I'd probably buy it anyways but I'd like to save that money for other stuff in a perfect world). Free is a great option though, I'd probably get it in the first 2 weeks if they did that again.
I could really see it going either way for FFXV, given Square has released FF on PC before.. For Kingdom Hearts, I really can't say. We never had KH on Xbone either, but that changed..
I can't see Disney allowing it, especially if the suspicion that they kept BBS from the PSN is correct.
I can't see Disney allowing it, especially if the suspicion that they kept BBS from the PSN is correct.
Hm, I'm not aware that there was a reason behind BbS not being in PSN. What's the rationale if I may ask?
No reason was given except Square Enix clarified that neither Disney or Utada were the reason.
Disney has been a lot more okay with digital releases with their properties as of late (they'd have to if they want Disney Interactive to grow). KH3 will have to be on PSN by requirement of Sony, so a PC release shouldn't be too hard if they have to make a digital copy available on another service.
But IF it is expensive, I want it, I'd rather not pay a ridiculous price for it (but I'd probably buy it anyways but I'd like to save that money for other stuff in a perfect world). Free is a great option though, I'd probably get it in the first 2 weeks if they did that again.
You'd be paying for it regardless if it is DLC or a Final Mix edition. It's great you're thinking about yourself, but this is one of those things you think about from the perspective of the company and the OTHER consumers who would not mind to pay for this if they were given the option.
I think that is what is lacking from your general interpretation of this discussion.
Disney is relatively comfortable with Steam releases.. Ducktales and Castle of Illusion come to mind, recently. Wreck it Ralph is also in Sonic racing. I mean, one worry that comes with releasing KH on PC is that it's a copyright blackhole to all of the beloved characters in Disney's history.. one might worry about someone modding wieners into it..
No reason was given except Square Enix clarified that neither Disney or Utada were the reason.
Disney has been a lot more okay with digital releases with their properties as of late (they'd have to if they want Disney Interactive to grow). KH3 will have to be on PSN by requirement of Sony, so a PC release shouldn't be too hard if they have to make a digital copy available on another service.
Plus, it's not the only game not to make it on PSN. 1,5 didn't either. So it's a problem with the series, not the specific game.
Was 3D on the eShop? I believe it isn't as well.
Was 3D on the eShop? I believe it isn't as well.
Just the demo.
You'd be paying for it regardless if it is DLC or a Final Mix edition. It's great you're thinking about yourself, but this is one of those things you think about from the perspective of the company and the OTHER consumers who would not mind to pay for this if they were given the option.
I think that is what is lacking from your general interpretation of this discussion.
Obviously you'd be paying for it if you are going to get it. However, I don't just mean it'd be expensive to me, I mean that if it were expensive in general, I can't see many people buying it. Already releasing the Japanese VA's in the US is destined to not do to well given unlike in Japan where Japanese and English are taught, most people in the West only know English so I don't know 1 casual fan that would buy it. The last thing I'd want is for them to alienate the fans who actually do want it by making it more expensive than they can afford. This is going on the basis that it won't be free of course given if it's free, I don't see why anyone would choose to NOT download it.
As for the Final Mix edition, I'm not sure that would be released overseas but rather just in Japan as it always has been. Honestly, I wouldn't expect the FM version to come out over here.
Just the demo.
I never knew why DDD never made it to the eShop, was it ever stated why?
Obviously you'd be paying for it if you are going to get it. However, I don't just mean it'd be expensive to me, I mean that if it were expensive in general, I can't see many people buying it. Already releasing the Japanese VA's in the US is destined to not do to well given unlike in Japan where Japanese and English are taught, most people in the West only know English so I don't know 1 casual fan that would buy it. The last thing I'd want is for them to alienate the fans who actually do want it by making it more expensive than they can afford. This is going on the basis that it won't be free of course given if it's free, I don't see why anyone would choose to NOT download it.
Obviously you haven't seen the massive demand from the Western world demanding Japanese voices in games. Many people in the West often criticizes the English voices and would prefer to play through an English version of the game, but with Japanese voices. There's a massive demand for it, and companies are starting to give it, but having multiple languages on the disc or through DLC.
Obviously you haven't seen the massive demand from the Western world demanding Japanese voices in games. Many people in the West often criticizes the English voices and would prefer to play through an English version of the game, but with Japanese voices. There's a massive demand for it, and companies are starting to give it, but having multiple languages on the disc or through DLC.
I often see those complaints for many games, but I have not see not seen it much for Kingdom Hearts much in all honesty and that is because, while the main KH cast sounds awesome in Japanese, the Disney cast sounds far better in English, so it's a toss up. On top of that, I'm always wary of what I see online sometimes because the people who are often not pleased make themselves much more vocal than those who are pleased. I'm not saying it will fail, I'm just not sure if KH is the game where it would do the best.
Obviously you'd be paying for it if you are going to get it. However, I don't just mean it'd be expensive to me, I mean that if it were expensive in general, I can't see many people buying it. Already releasing the Japanese VA's in the US is destined to not do to well given unlike in Japan where Japanese and English are taught, most people in the West only know English so I don't know 1 casual fan that would buy it. The last thing I'd want is for them to alienate the fans who actually do want it by making it more expensive than they can afford. This is going on the basis that it won't be free of course given if it's free, I don't see why anyone would choose to NOT download it.
As for the Final Mix edition, I'm not sure that would be released overseas but rather just in Japan as it always has been. Honestly, I wouldn't expect the FM version to come out over here.
Lol there are people around the world who have begged for Japanese voices for YEARS. Many people hate dubs. HATE THEM. Many believe Japanese is superior because it was the original language and as such, it holds more emotion and the voices fit closer.
Some companies are even foregoing the English dub all together and releasing the games with the Japanese dub.
People buy this stuff, even casual fans. Casual fans might not be super devoted to a series but if they have a certain kind of taste, they will buy whatever if it fulfills it.
It's not just five or ten people buying this DLC, but well more than enough that companies are doing it more often because they are seeing money coming back to them.
Your points seem to be stuck before 2011 because we've moved well beyond these updated editions that never make it to the west. More often than not you'll find that companies are localizing them or make them the only version they ever bring over because it's not a painful process anymore.
It's just not healthy in a global market to restrict these kinds of things when you have a digital marketplace that simplifies the issue. Before companies didn't want to bring over special editions because of localization and printing costs. Now, all you have to do is make DLC and slap it up or sell a new edition digitally or as a GOTY edition if the game has monumental success.
I don't understand why this is so hard for you to understand.
| I never knew why DDD never made it to the eShop, was it ever stated why? |
There are many games not on the eShop. The reason could be anything.
Lol there are people around the world who have begged for Japanese voices for YEARS. Many people hate dubs. HATE THEM. Many believe Japanese is superior because it was the original language and as such, it holds more emotion and the voices fit closer.
Some companies are even foregoing the English dub all together and releasing the games with the Japanese dub.
People buy this stuff, even casual fans. Casual fans might not be super devoted to a series but if they have a certain kind of taste, they will buy whatever if it fulfills it.
It's not just five or ten people buying this DLC, but well more than enough that companies are doing it more often because they are seeing money coming back to them.
Your points seem to be stuck before 2011 because we've moved well beyond these updated editions that never make it to the west. More often than not you'll find that companies are localizing them or make them the only version they ever bring over because it's not a painful process anymore.
It's just not healthy in a global market to restrict these kinds of things when you have a digital marketplace that simplifies the issue. Before companies didn't want to bring over special editions because of localization and printing costs. Now, all you have to do is make DLC and slap it up or sell a new edition digitally or as a GOTY edition if the game has monumental success.
I don't understand why this is so hard for you to understand.
As I stated earlier, I do feel Kingdom Hearts is a special case because even if the Japanese voices bring more emotion to the KH characters, I've never heard someone proclaim the Disney cast to be better in Japanese (given they originated in English, just as the KH characters originated in Japanese).
Truth be told, I'm not even sure what I'm supposed to be understanding lol and I feel this conversation just has de-evolved into IDK what haha. I'm just stating that I do want the voice pack in Japanese but I would hope it wasn't very expensive like the Tomb Raider one (not sure if other's have been released, I know FFXIIILR has been with the 2 weeks free thing which is great) and that, while Final Mix is an option, I don't see them bringing it overseas. Even if most companies are doing it, that doesn't mean SE will. 2011 isn't that long ago and since 2011, SE hasn't really had many "expansion pack" like games like the Final Mixes for me to see whether or not they are releasing them all in all areas.
I've also come to understand the love for the Jap dub thanks to some of the animes I've watched in recent years. That is, so long as the english subtitles are accurate.
Not really sure if I extend it as far as games yet but with at least one kh game, kh2, the jap dub may have been preferable given kh2 had some translation errors/hiccups.
A few anime shows did take the liberty of straying from the original lines, though (the pre-Kai DBZ English dub is infamous for this). I also know of some games whose subtitles don't match what is being spoken by the characters. However, those shows and games are just far and few between; I can say that KH's translation from Japanese to English can be considered generally accurate despite a few instances of mistranslation.
Having said all that, I agree that in the case of dubbed games, the original Japanese dub is generally of a better quality than the English one. Is it because VA is a very prestigious work in Japan? Is it simply because the lines are delivered in the original language? I don't know of the answer, but I can say that the Japanese VA usually convey more emotion across the screen, and I certainly would love if there is an option to play the game while listening to the works of the original VA.
A few anime shows did take the liberty of straying from the original lines, though (the pre-Kai DBZ English dub is infamous for this). I also know of some games whose subtitles don't match what is being spoken by the characters. However, those shows and games are just far and few between; I can say that KH's translation from Japanese to English can be considered generally accurate despite a few instances of mistranslation.
Having said all that, I agree that in the case of dubbed games, the original Japanese dub is generally of a better quality than the English one. Is it because VA is a very prestigious work in Japan? Is it simply because the lines are delivered in the original language? I don't know of the answer, but I can say that the Japanese VA usually convey more emotion across the screen, and I certainly would love if there is an option to play the game while listening to the works of the original VA.
Final Fantasy XII had instances where the dialogue didn't completely match up with the subtitles, but that's because the game was subbed before it was dubbed, and some of the actors somewhat changed up the lines to make them flow more naturally.
FFXII... now that was a nicely dubbed game. And probably one of the best JRPG dubs that I've ever heard (and a great example of how English dubs can be simply amazing), but I digress.
@Master Spockanort And don't a lot of fans also favor Japanese dubs, since VA isn't taken as seriously in the U.S., and thus they think the voice actor didn't try or care (and also had less training in voice over work)?
...Didn't some of the Tales games almost not get English translations? IDK. I've just gotten into the series, so I'm not positive. But I heard somewhere that the company actually ended up hiring some of the fan translators to help with translating the games. So it sounds to me that they were having issues with it, or were considering not releasing the games in English at first? Honestly, I have no idea, and I could be terribly misinformed ^^' If I am, or I'm derailing the thread too much, just ignore this. And I sincerely apologize if I did derail the thread...
And don't a lot of fans also favor Japanese dubs, since VA isn't taken as seriously in the U.S., and thus they think the voice actor didn't try or care (and also had less training in voice over work)?
Not sure if I should be answering this since you did ask it towards Master Spock, but it is true that voice acting in Japan is much more of an honor that voice acting in any other country since Japan does take it seriously. "Voice acting in Japan" has it's own wikipedia page (which I don't think any other country has) and the first line is "Voice acting in Japan has a far greater prominence than voice acting in most other countries" which goes to show it's popularity since someone made a page just based on that itself. So I do know a lot of fans enjoy the original more often (if it was originally in Japanese) but I'm not sure what the rules are when it comes to animated things that originated outside of Japan. For example, are all the Disney movie preferred in Japanese? Avatar: The Last Airbender? Kora? Etc. I'm honestly not sure, I can't find much online either.
Not sure if I should be answering this since you did ask it towards Master Spock, but it is true that voice acting in Japan is much more of an honor that voice acting in any other country since Japan does take it seriously. "Voice acting in Japan" has it's own wikipedia page (which I don't think any other country has) and the first line is "Voice acting in Japan has a far greater prominence than voice acting in most other countries" which goes to show it's popularity since someone made a page just based on that itself. So I do know a lot of fans enjoy the original more often (if it was originally in Japanese) but I'm not sure what the rules are when it comes to animated things that originated outside of Japan. For example, are all the Disney movie preferred in Japanese? Avatar: The Last Airbender? Kora? Etc. I'm honestly not sure, I can't find much online either.
Having just seen this, it just makes me wish more than ever that voice acting everywhere else was respected more. I'm not entirely sure what's to blame for that: the Animation Age Ghetto, the prestige of movie acting, or what.
For my two cents, I see no reason why the developers can't put multiple voice tracks in the games, especially now with the technology that they have. At least this way, people can have a choice between Japanese and English voices.
Also, for the record, there is at least one anime that is better in English than in Japanese: Black Lagoon. The mainly story centers on four characters, three of them being American. (granted, one of them was Chinese American, but even there, she was born and raised in New York). In fact, a lot of the characters in that series were from anywhere BUT Japan (aside from main character Rock and everyone in the Japan arc). Of course, there is the irony that the anime was dubbed by the Ocean Group in Canada when many of the characters on the show were from America, but whatever.
I prefer dub. I don't mind watching subtitles, but if I have the choice I'm going to listen the English dub. I do like to know why so many people think the English dubs are bad? I watch a lot of stuff and the only thing I've seen that had bad dubbing was that Beyblade anime from last year, couple years ago. I have a feeling, though that the reason why some people prefer the original Japanese is because they're just so use to it.
EDIT: But yeah, at this point there's no excuse to not having both English and Japanese voices in a video game. Well, except for the possibly of them simply not being able to use the Japanese track for some odd reason.
In the case of KH, English is actually preferred worldwide. The Disney characters sound how they're intended to.
In the case of KH, English is actually preferred worldwide. The Disney characters sound how they're intended to.
It's definitely what I prefer, while I think that the KH cast (the OC characters) are, for the most part, better in Japan. However, some of them in the US are just as good as their Japanese counterparts imo (David Gallagher and Jesse McCartney come to mind for me), but the Disney voices (especially back when they literally got almost all the original VA's to voice them) are so perfect I can't even believe it, even nowadays with the ones who aren't the same, they still sound absolutely stunning.
It's definitely what I prefer, while I think that the KH cast (the OC characters) are, for the most part, better in Japan. However, some of them in the US are just as good as their Japanese counterparts imo (David Gallagher and Jesse McCartney come to mind for me), but the Disney voices (especially back when they literally got almost all the original VA's to voice them) are so perfect I can't even believe it, even nowadays with the ones who aren't the same, they still sound absolutely stunning.
Agreed. The authenticity of the voices that we are used to definitely helps, at least for the Disney voices.
A wise young beautiful woman with red hair/damsel in distress said, "waiting isn't good enough."
I actually just pre-ordered KH3 today. No release date...pttttttttb
I actually just pre-ordered KH3 today. No release date...pttttttttb
I'd ask "why" but whatever.
Meh, give me some sort of assurance I'm getting it
I'm preordering at the advent of boxart. That is my one condition and I'm sticking to it. And I might preorder the day one EXP X5 Multiplier DLC sponsored and provided by Doritos.
I'll pre-order it once a release date is announced and then I'll upgrade my pre-order once the CE is announced (let's be honest, if this game doesn't have a CE, that'll be a crime).
There might be little reason to forego a CE or at least LE. DDD (and BbS too, right? It came with a special console) had the MoM edition, 1.5 had the LE, and if 2.5 has its own LE, I think the trend is apparent and it's quite safe to assume that KH3 will also come with a special bonus.
There might be little reason to forego a CE or at least LE. DDD (and BbS too, right? It came with a special console) had the MoM edition, 1.5 had the LE, and if 2.5 has its own LE, I think the trend is apparent and it's quite safe to assume that KH3 will also come with a special bonus.
Yup, Japan has gotten a plethora of LEs or CEs consisting of LE consoles for every handheld KH has been on so far (GBA SP, DSi, 3DS, and PSP) and has gotten a lot of anniversary and CEs. The US is getting more thankfully, but I'm actually inclined to believe Japan might end up getting an LE PS4 for KH3. They made LE PS3s for FFXIII and they made a special Moogle one for a promotional event in the US. I think KH3 definitely tops those 2 so I could see it happening...given the PS4 is region free...I'm waiting just in case.
That would be the exact reason why I decided to wait before purchasing the PS4. I'm looking for a LE release; not just from KH3, but also from other games of my interest, whichever comes first.
I'm still sad I wasn't able to nab any of the Ni no Kuni LE PS3. Back then I still didn't have the console, but I already knew I wanted the game. T_T
I love the series but if they dont have it in
english
Im gonna be lost
I love the series but if they dont have it in
english
Im gonna be lostUm...Of course it is going to be in English.
I love the series but if they dont have it in
english
Im gonna be lostKHIII: Russian Only. if you don't like it you AREN'T A REAL KINGDOM HEARTS FAN!!!!! DEAL WITH IT........
KHIII: Russian Only. if you don't like it you AREN'T A REAL KINGDOM HEARTS FAN!!!!! DEAL WITH IT........
All the Disney worlds will be their native language from where the story originated and SDG will talk back in that language. Pre-order KH3 and you get a free demo of Rosetta Stone...it's happening!
I'm optimistic; despite this, I don't think they'll have to take out too much. There are always things that get cut in every game, so of course that will be the case for this game as well. I'm not too worried about it!
I just hope for one thing in KH3. All I want is for Frozen to be included as one of the worlds!!
I just hope for one thing in KH3. All I want is for Frozen to be included as one of the worlds!!
Well, as Master Spock showed to me recently with the inclusion of The Grid in KH3D and with Frozen's inclusion in Once Upon a Time (and that scene was probably planned before or right around the movie's release), it's definitely a possibility. SE would do well to capitalize on the hype that is Frozen right now.
Well, as Master Spock showed to me recently with the inclusion of The Grid in KH3D and with Frozen's inclusion in Once Upon a Time (and that scene was probably planned before or right around the movie's release), it's definitely a possibility. SE would do well to capitalize on the hype that is Frozen right now.
They say they approached Disney after they had seen the film.
‘Once Upon a Time’ Season 4 — Elsa from ‘Frozen,’ Regina/Robin Hood/Marian - TVLine
Yeah I realized that game development is such a convoluted and political process, which is so disillusioning
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