KINGDOM HEARTS 2.8 Off Screen Gameplay from TGS 2016
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- Published on September 18, 2016 @ 04:38 pm
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Gamersyde has recorded some off-screen gameplay of the KINGDOM HEARTS Birth by Sleep 0.2 -A fragmentary passage- demo from TGS 2016.
This is the same demo that was originally playable at E3, but boasts a number of updates made by the development team since then. The most key difference are the changes made to the overall lighting, as well as textures for the character models of Aqua and Terra.
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Terra looks better. Well not the best but far better compared to the first trailer. Of course the game will be more polished in the retail version since it's months away so...
be careful who you call ugly in middle school
That really is a great improvement.
This just made me excited for the next showing for KH3,if they can make improvements like this in a few months i wonder how much of a difference a 1 year would do for KH3.
That really is a great improvement.
This just made me excited for the next showing for KH3,if they can make improvements like this in a few months i wonder how much of a difference a 1 year would do for KH3.
We honestly don't know how long it took them to make this improvement. We don't know when they finished the E3 demo and we don't know when they finished this.
I do agree it looks better. Now they only lack facial features a little, but I don't mind too much.
I think it looks a LOT better. I wouldn't say its perfect or anything but its clearly a very nice improvement over the original demo.
And now I will never complain about the visuals again. They have proven that the style we saw in previous trailers was not the look they were going for and therefore I will never doubt Osaka again <3
AQUA LOOKS GORGEOUS AND TERRA GOT HOT AGAIN
MX's face(/shadow) is gone too
Holy hot Terra batman! Props to the dev team for the awesome improvements in lighting!
Me to TGS Demo Terra: Hey there handsome.
Oh Terra. Your beautiful eyelashes are back, and I am satisfied.
The improvement! Ahhhh they're are bustin butts over there! I thought there was drastic improvements since I didn't really have time to think about how plastic anyone looked (aside from that one shot of mickey).
OT: The gameplay looks a lot smoother now too. Doesn't look like she's moving around at the speed of sound anymore. A bit more grounded, save circumstance.
What does the khi community have in common with MX? They all want terra's body now
MY BOY TERRA LOOKS SO MUCH BETTER IM GOING TO CRY
am i the only one who still cant stand terra
am i the only one who still cant stand terra
It's not like the lighting makes him smarter, so no, you're def. not alone.
It's not like the lighting makes him smarter, so no, you're def. not alone.
er ist das essen und wir sind die jäger
Sorry, I literally had to
Thank goodness gracious. I knew it was just a lighting issue. I am so happy they kept improving it and didn't just settle with what they had. Phew
It looks amazing
am i the only one who still cant stand terra
I'd take Terra over Dream Drop Distance Sora any day.
But back to topic, Square Enix should consider releasing before delay/after delay pictures. I'd provide faith back into the community like this just has.
I'd take Terra over Dream Drop Distance Sora any day.
But back to topic, Square Enix should consider releasing before delay/after delay pictures. I'd provide faith back into the community like this just has.
"What is your name?"
"Dream Eaters!"
In the end, I didn't mind 3D's Sora. It just goes to show how extremely careless he became about himself and his surroundings. Taught him a good lesson in the end.
Seeing stuff like this makes me hope in 20 years or so, all the games will get completely remade. How awesome would that be
"What is your name?""Dream Eaters!"
I've seen people use that example so many time to the point where I expect it to show up whenever this topic is mentioned.
I usually use the one where he trusts Neku.
I just find the Dream Eater one somewhat funny
"What is your name?"
"Dream Eaters!"
What's wrong with this? You didn't even post Sora's reaction. If you give that someone as an example for Sora's stupidity they'll just go:
"Yeah what?"
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Ohhh, that looks so much better. Kinda repressed my memory of the E3 version, but damn, they look so much better.
Terra looks better. Well not the best but far better compared to the first trailer. Of course the game will be more polished in the retail version since it's months away so...
Yeah, they definitely improved them, but I think they can do better.
I'd take Terra over Dream Drop Distance Sora any day.
Same.
"What is your name?"
"Dream Eaters!"
I've seen people use that example so many time to the point where I expect it to show up whenever this topic is mentioned.
What's wrong with this? You didn't even post Sora's reaction. If you give that someone as an example for Sora's stupidity they'll just go:
"Yeah what?"
Uh.. I-I uhh... don't get the joke? What?
Uh.. I-I uhh... don't get the joke? What?
The conversation goes sth like:
Sora: "What's your name?"
Neku: (sees some Dream Eaters and runs of screaming) "Dream Eaters!!"
Sora: "That's a weird name"
or something like that and is often quoted to show how Sora acts like an idiot in KH 3D.
The conversation goes sth like:
Sora: "What's your name?"
Neku: (sees some Dream Eaters and runs of screaming) "Dream Eaters!!"
Sora: "That's a weird name"
or something like that and is often quoted to show how Sora acts like an idiot in KH 3D.
yup, this here. Sora is just dumb af in DDD, I'm sorry
yup, this here. Sora is just dumb af in DDD, I'm sorry
As dumb as Terra though? Sora is to trusting! I want Roxas' sharing pain to make Sora not as you know...
As dumb as Terra though? Sora is to trusting! I want Roxas' sharing pain to make Sora not as you know...
Yeah, as dumb as Terra (though Terra still is the dumbest).
As dumb as Terra though? Sora is to trusting! I want Roxas' sharing pain to make Sora not as you know...
The problem is that in BBS, everyone was stupid to some extend. Thus, Terra didn't stick out that much.
As for 3D, we had Riku who acted quite smart during the game and then idiot-Sora who fell into traps and said stupid shit like that line I quoted. It's just way more prominent because of the contrast between the two.
The problem is that in BBS, everyone was stupid to some extend. Thus, Terra didn't stick out that much.
As for 3D, we had Riku who acted quite smart during the game and then idiot-Sora who fell into traps and said stupid shit like that line I quoted. It's just way more prominent because of the contrast between the two.
Smartest trio so far:Seasalt
Riku in 3D became far more well liked than Sora in 3D was.
Smartest trio so far:Seasalt
Riku in 3D became far more well liked than Sora in 3D was.
Roxas "Tell me what's wrong with Xion and where she is!!!!!! YOU SUCK AXEL! TELL ME"
Axel "*tells the truth*"
Roxas "OMG how can you say that you're so rude wow that's so cruel!! Xion is not a puppet wow damn idiot."
I wouldn't exactly call Roxas smart after Days happened. Not at all.
Roxas "Tell me what's wrong with Xion and where she is!!!!!! YOU SUCK AXEL! TELL ME"
Axel "*tells the truth*"
Roxas "OMG how can you say that you're so rude wow that's so cruel!! Xion is not a puppet wow damn idiot."
I wouldn't exactly call Roxas smart after Days happened. Not at all.
I still like Roxas, he went from being a zombie to a Terra, then went into acceptance.
I was going to say Daybreak Trio, but can we hardly even consider them a trio?
The conversation goes sth like:
Sora: "What's your name?"
Neku: (sees some Dream Eaters and runs of screaming) "Dream Eaters!!"
Sora: "That's a weird name"
or something like that and is often quoted to show how Sora acts like an idiot in KH 3D.
Ahh, now I get it.
yup, this here. Sora is just dumb af in DDD, I'm sorry
Yeah, the scene I remember most was when Riku went in to save Sora and when he woke up Sora wore some stupid glasses and was eating cake. It was really stupid. One of the reasons I don't like DDD.
As dumb as Terra though? Sora is to trusting! I want Roxas' sharing pain to make Sora not as you know...
Yeah, as dumb as Terra (though Terra still is the dumbest).
Wait how is Terra dumb? Didn't Riku fall for the exact same thing and betray his friends too?
The problem is that in BBS, everyone was stupid to some extend. Thus, Terra didn't stick out that much.
As for 3D, we had Riku who acted quite smart during the game and then idiot-Sora who fell into traps and said stupid shit like that line I quoted. It's just way more prominent because of the contrast between the two.
... *sigh* as much as I love BBS, I gotta admit they did some stupid things yeah...
Smartest trio so far:Seasalt
Riku in 3D became far more well liked than Sora in 3D was.
They did some dumb stuff too tho. The "Daybreak Trio" has been pretty smart up till now.
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Yeah I'm actually wondering the same thing. We only saw them together once, and that one time could have been a hallucination. Also, am I the only one who thinks we need better names then "Daybreak Trio" and "Season 2"?
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The problem is that in BBS, everyone was stupid to some extend. Thus, Terra didn't stick out that much.
As for 3D, we had Riku who acted quite smart during the game and then idiot-Sora who fell into traps and said stupid shit like that line I quoted. It's just way more prominent because of the contrast between the two.
Yeah, and we even get Riku and Joshua making fun of Sora for being a bit dumb and laughing at him :D Too bad Sora was handled so weirdly in that game since Riku was great there. Guess we can never have it all.
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Yeah I'm actually wondering the same thing. We only saw them together once, and that one time could have been a hallucination. Also, am I the only one who thinks we need better names then "Daybreak Trio" and "Season 2"?
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Daybreak Trio...Chi Trio? Starlight Trio? Revelations Trio? Union Trio? Dandelion Trio? I can go on and on...
Season 2, seems to take place in present day RoS. So, basically CoM 2.0, or Revelations
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Man, like others have already said that sure is step to the right direction. Terra and Aqua look pretty good now. Now all I would like them to have is some more details and etc... and we are good to go. I guess they keep polishing and adjusting things to the very end, and I am curious to see the final product. Man, I really really wanna play 0.2. Not gonna watch the gameplay bit since I don´t want to spoil too much.
I want to see The Gathering remade with 0.2/III's in-game engine to show how far they've come since the ps2-era
Is that too much to ask
I want to see The Gathering remade with 0.2/III's in-game engine to show how far they've come since the ps2-era
Is that too much to ask
why would they remake it anyway? its purely conceptional
Are you arguing the opportunity to see more HDqua
Its like i dont even know you
Well, I guess it always possible that the new opening in 0.2 will have a piece of the gathering or at least a similar scene.
Are you arguing the opportunity to see more HDqua
Its like i dont even know you
i would neverrrrr but we would only see her rusty hd butt (i mean... i see it every day but i wanna share)
Very nice improvements. * Looks into thread*... how did this thread turn from visuals to intelligence levels? XD
So someone on the KH Reddit pointed out that Aqua's face/mouth moves when she speaks during gameplay. Can anyone confirm this for me? I can't watch the video because my wifi's being a jerk.
Yes, it's moving. Kinda neat!
Yes, it's moving. Kinda neat!
Well then....guess I can finally say this again. [FONT=century gothic]DEFAULT FACE IS GOOOOOOONE[/FONT]
Well then....guess I can finally say this again. [FONT=century gothic]DEFAULT FACE IS GOOOOOOONE[/FONT]
Aqua is now trapped in a glass case of emotions!
Aqua (and Sora for that matter) still has a lower-poly model that's used when she's on the field but it's not nearly as noticeable as the past versions.
I was thinking about default faces. Will they now just babble on for eternity with mouth movement that doesn't match, or will they just move enough to finish the sentence before stopping?
I was thinking about default faces. Will they now just babble on for eternity with mouth movement that doesn't match, or will they just move enough to finish the sentence before stopping?
It will likely be like FFXIII-2/LRFF or FFXV where the mouth movements are animated to match the sentence but the faces have a sort of distinctly mechanical/vacant feel to it.
Even KH3D has this to a degree on the low-poly fish faces.
Man, that guy did not do a good job with playing the game. At least he learnt from his mistake of using Fire against a fire enemy, but ignoring where to go and spending 5 minutes lost and not healing when he kept being bashed around.... Plus who doesn't use lock on for bosses!?
Aqua (and Sora for that matter) still has a lower-poly model that's used when she's on the field but it's not nearly as noticeable as the past versions.
How refreshing.
i dont like the play doh look they have. i wish they could have just made it look like a better version of the other kingdom hearts
I think something that really needs fixing at this point is the fabric. It could probably stand to flow and move like fabric i.e. Aqua's white ribbon is kind of stiff or Terra's pants.
i dont like the play doh look they have. i wish they could have just made it look like a better version of the other kingdom hearts
Doesn't really look like play-doh anymore, though, and I say this as one of the more vocal play-doh KH haters.
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a much better improvement from e3. it really shows
So some people are saying that the difference is because of television settings. Riiiiiight, totally. -_-
I saw that. Haha. The brightness of a monitor can change a lot, but not like THAT.
So some people are saying that the difference is because of television settings. Riiiiiight, totally. -_-
One need only look at the shadow on Terra's clavicle to see they turned on some lighting. And one only need look at the white spots on Aqua's face from E3 then at the pinker cheeks in the TGS footage for the updated skin texture work.
Or at Terra's face in general to see IT ISN'T EVEN THE SAME FACE XD
I've been thinking about the fabric in the new graphics a lot. It's kind of a conundrum in my mind? I doubt they want the cloth look like REALLL cloth (because that won't fit in every Disney setting), but one can clearly see they put a little but of texture on some stuff like Disney and Pixar do with with their animated movies... but something doesn't seem to be working.
Mickey's glove for example. It doesn't look horrible, but the light hitting it makes it look wrong. Somewhat the same with Aqua's sleeves texture wise.
I'm not sure how flowy they can make the fabric with the animation part of things. How I would love for the flow of the prerendered openings/endings, but that seems to be a technology still out of reach??? -or is this just laziness or is it optimization??-
I've been thinking about the fabric in the new graphics a lot. It's kind of a conundrum in my mind? I doubt they want the cloth look like REALLL cloth (because that won't fit in every Disney setting), but one can clearly see they put a little but of texture on some stuff like Disney and Pixar do with with their animated movies... but something doesn't seem to be working.
Mickey's glove for example. It doesn't look horrible, but the light hitting it makes it look wrong. Somewhat the same with Aqua's sleeves texture wise.
It feels like a weird default they are using right now because Mickey's glove and Aqua's sleeves are the same texture. It would be better if the weaving was smaller or less pronounced, maybe smoothed? I would hope they get to that next.
It definitely doesn't need to look like real fabric, but if they are going this far it'd be nice if they made the fabrics act like real fabrics do.
| I'm not sure how flowy they can make the fabric with the animation part of things. How I would love for the flow of the prerendered openings/endings, but that seems to be a technology still out of reach??? -or is this just laziness or is it optimization??- |
It doesn't need to flow as much as it needs to be less of a stiff thick piece of almost perfectly rectangular cloth.
I can't believe some people think it's the TV that's making the difference.
Like honestly,what must you be on to think that.What TV settings could do such a big change.It's like they don't want to see 2.8 improve graphically.
They're obviously playing the demo at TGS on PSPro
They're obviously playing the demo at TGS on PSPro
PSPro doesn't make a significant enough difference for it to really matter. Unless they are playing on 4K TVs, there's likely little to no difference at all. Game looks great, it's such a significant improvement than I honestly expected.
PSPro doesn't make a significant enough difference for it to really matter. Unless they are playing on 4K TVs, there's likely little to no difference at all. Game looks great, it's such a significant improvement than I honestly expected.
He was making a joke xD
PSPro doesn't make a significant enough difference for it to really matter. Unless they are playing on 4K TVs, there's likely little to no difference at all. Game looks great, it's such a significant improvement than I honestly expected.
Grizzly, what happened to your original edit!? :O
Grizzly, what happened to your original edit!? :O
Oh my, I think I went to fix or add something and must have deleted it. I in fact said that I realized you were making a joke lol. Oh dear. These are dark times.
I still noticed some weird animation issues. Like when the scene is panning over to Terra on the stairs and the back of Aqua's head, she clearly stops animating before the camera can make the jump cut and it looks weird. And still on some peoples playthroughs, I see Aqua's hair jolt back as Terra disappears, but on some of them her hair stays still. Don't know if it's supposed to stay still or move, but it looks better staying still.
And there are just some other small things I noticed. Maybe the screenshots were taken at a different point in her speech, but they've even fixed some of my grips with her mouth movements looks like. Before, it looked like she had an overbite. Or maybe it's just a difference in Japanese and English
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As for the silly people saying it's just a tv setting, I'm gonna put one of the images in photoshop and see if I can change just some 'tv settings' and get the same result
EDIT:
Wellllll, the obvious conclusion is that with just some 'tv screen' settings (saturation, lightness/darkness, and possibly temperature, you can't just change how it looks.
Before:
After:
The lightsource that plays on her skin and even the background behind her is just different. It's as if before, the light source was really close to the character models. There's so much more shadow in her eyes and on her face and hair. There's no way a TV setting can change that. Maybe someone better at photoshop can just change screen like settings to replicate the new screenshots without actually editing anything.
I wish the people who are saying that would admit they actually improved the models and stop acting like nothing's changed. They should be extremely excited to see them increasing the quality every new clip we get.
@Kirabook Yeah, it's pretty annoying how some people just like to think that nothing has changed aside from lighting, or believe that the difference is because of TV settings and think that Terra looks different at TGS because of a TV angle, or that one guy saying that nothing has changed at all and that it's useless to compare "camera footage of a TV and DIRECT footage is the only way to compare" and now I'm just rambling about my gripes with Internet people I better stop.
Sheesh..there's people going hard on reddit about it being just the TV settings that's making the difference.
Why are some people going so far in trying to prove the game doesn't graphically look better..shouldn't it be the opposite.
Sheesh..there's people going hard on reddit about it being just the TV settings that's making the difference.
Why are some people going so far in trying to prove the game doesn't graphically look better..shouldn't it be the opposite.
Probably so they can overuse the word plastic more and force Square to make it look like Final Fantasy XV or something. :T
There's even one guy on the KH reddit comparing the TGS demo footage and the E3 demo to the E3 2016 trailer just to prove that the two demos are just "DRASTICALLY altered by recorded footage of TVs"
Good find! I seriously hope Sony releases this demo on PSN soon. I'd love to play it and see what it's like for myself. It looks like they've changed and or improved quite a bit since last we say this at E3. Wish somebody could just capture gameplay footage instead of having to record with a camera. Still this is really good quality all things considered.
So glad to see the E3 issues have been and are being addressed; as far as I'm concerned these updated graphics have me on board. Vindication is a good feeling. It's also nice to not be so distracted and distressed by the aesthetics that I can pay attention to other things, like holy smokes Aqua is a fast runner.
Don't Be Fooled By People Claiming 2.8 Got a Major Graphical Upgrade at TGS - Kingdom Hearts HD 2.8 Final Chapter Prologue - KH13.com Forum - KH13.com, for Kingdom Hearts
Ugh, ya know what? Forget it. There's no way to get through to this guy. This is stale, yo.
Don't Be Fooled By People Claiming 2.8 Got a Major Graphical Upgrade at TGS - Kingdom Hearts HD 2.8 Final Chapter Prologue - KH13.com Forum - KH13.com, for Kingdom Hearts
Ugh, ya know what? Forget it. There's no way to get through to this guy. This is stale, yo.
[strike]typical kh13[/strike]
Yeah, no, people just won't accept it. It's no use talking to a rock
Don't Be Fooled By People Claiming 2.8 Got a Major Graphical Upgrade at TGS - Kingdom Hearts HD 2.8 Final Chapter Prologue - KH13.com Forum - KH13.com, for Kingdom Hearts
Ugh, ya know what? Forget it. There's no way to get through to this guy. This is stale, yo.
It sounds like they're just skeptical and they'll be more convinced when another trailer is released with these improved scenes, and/or when the game comes out. Off screen footage is unreliable as a lot of apologists were adamant about reminding people during E3 when that initial off screen capture of the hideous Terra model started circulating.
Well, to be fair, plenty of people from KHI saw the demo in action - and the complaints about the models and textures were made there and then, and I trust our friends here that there was a marked difference between what they saw then and what we're seeing now.
Hell, a camera angle can't fix Aqua's hair's antialiasing, but look how great it looks here and in the trailer.
It sounds like they're just skeptical and they'll be more convinced when another trailer is released with these improved scenes, and/or when the game comes out. Off screen footage is unreliable as a lot of apologists were adamant about reminding people during E3 when that initial off screen capture of the hideous Terra model started circulating.
I played the demo at E3 and everything from TGS looks visually looks quite improved honestly.
It sounds like they're just skeptical and they'll be more convinced when another trailer is released with these improved scenes, and/or when the game comes out. Off screen footage is unreliable as a lot of apologists were adamant about reminding people during E3 when that initial off screen capture of the hideous Terra model started circulating.
I played the demo a month before E3 and at E3 and I can say with 1000% certainty that the off-screen footage from TGS is a vast improvement.
Aqua's face has color in it now, and Terra looks like he has a completely new face.
THEY'RE BABES NOW.
I played the demo at E3 and everything from TGS looks visually looks quite improved honestly.
I played the demo a month before E3 and at E3 and I can say with 1000% certainty that the off-screen footage from TGS is a vast improvement.
Aqua's face has color in it now, and Terra looks like he has a completely new face.
I agree with both of you, I see the improvements and I trust they'll only get better. Said that just a couple of posts ago.
My point was that during E3 when Terra showed up and people were saying he looked horrible, there was a line I saw repeated about how the image was just oddly compressed and that wasn't how he really looked because it was an off screen capture. People were breaking their backs trying to defend E3 as "the look they were going for."
In other words, I don't think these speculations have a whole lot of merit to them, but if that logic was sound then, I don't see the difference here.
That being said, as someone who never had much of an issue with the PS2 era graphics (fish face aside) and would have happily played KH3 one or even two console generations ago, I never cared about the details or matching FFXV's hyper realism; I just hoped the finished graphics would not be distracting given how poorly rendered everything was at E3 (which looked even worse than KH3 trailers, which were already cause for concern). I'm satisfied that everything's on the mend, and it gives me hope for KH3, too.
I dunno. I still don't understand the denial. Even in that thread, the TGS image and the trailer image are vastly different. What exactly is the argument against graphic improvement again....?
I dunno. I still don't understand the denial. Even in that thread, the TGS image and the trailer image are vastly different. What exactly is the argument against graphic improvement again....?
The models are much better, no doubt about that. There is still room for improvement but Terra is 10 times better, Aqua too (her eyes have changed significantly).
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My Queen <3
TV settings cannot change the shape of an in game model. Terra's model was literally changed. Some people just love to complain for the sake of complaiing I suppose.
Having played it at PAX West, difference between that version and TGS was night and day. Lets just hope the controls and camera have tightened up too :)
I can't believe some people think it's the TV that's making the difference.
Like honestly,what must you be on to think that.What TV settings could do such a big change.It's like they don't want to see 2.8 improve graphically.
Like Spock was saying, it kind of looks like they resized his face a bit. Looks pretty dang good.
I know the basis of 0.2 and KHIII combat will be the return of the command menu and I am happy about that, but could there still be a way to keep command melding in some form? You would use spells from the shortcut menu, but you would upgrade them trough melding and etc...
In the PS Access EGX livestream, Aqua was performing Spell Weaver against the Devil Swarm.
Except it wasn't called Spell Weaver this time, unlike the E3 demo. It was Ars Magica.
#UPDATEDDEMO
Edit: I have been informed Europe has a different localisation for Spell Weaver which still confuses me since it was apparently Spell Weaver at Gamescom
Edit: I have been informed Europe has a different localisation for Spell Weaver which still confuses me since it was apparently Spell Weaver at Gamescom
What's the point of that localisation difference? the same spell with a different name? I'm perplexed more than anything...
What's the point of that localisation difference? the same spell with a different name? I'm perplexed more than anything...
the point is that ars magica sounds better <3
Seriously though, I'm not sure myself. All the Names are different in BBS (most of them are just translated), take "Critical Impact" as an example: it's name in German is "Ars Fatalis". "Fever Pitch" or whatever is "Ars Velocitatis". I guess it's the same for all other European Countries?
But wow, now they even designed a Logo for Ars Magica! They didn't do that for BBS iirc.
the point is that ars magica sounds better <3
Seriously though, I'm not sure myself. All the Names are different in BBS (most of them are just translated), take "Critical Impact" as an example: it's name in German is "Ars Fatalis". "Fever Pitch" or whatever is "Ars Velocitatis". I guess it's the same for all other European Countries?
But wow, now they even designed a Logo for Ars Magica! They didn't do that for BBS iirc.
Yes they did. The logos also had those translated names even back on the PSP.
And I really love Ars Fatalis, Velocitatis and Magica. It sounds so rad. ;_;
Yes they did. The logos also had those translated names even back on the PSP.
And I really love Ars Fatalis, Velocitatis and Magica. It sounds so rad. ;_;
Ah okay, wasn't sure 'cause I couldn't find any "Ars Magica" Logos on the Web. Nice!
Learning news things every day! Wish we had your cool names for this stuff. I think Spellweaver/Fever Pitch/etc. sounds so lame now in comparison xD
(Though I think the NA ones sound similar to song titles xD)
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Btw, you know what else is better in the european or rather german version?
Zero Gravity. Which can be seen in the picture as well (Zero Gravira in this case, lol).
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[/spoiler]Btw, you know what else is better in the european or rather german version?
Zero Gravity. Which can be seen in the picture as well (Zero Gravira in this case, lol).
Aaaah okay, I never noticed. Thanks!
omg, "zielsuchmaschine" though, hahaha
But yeah, Antigravra definitely sounds way better
Aaaah okay, I never noticed. Thanks!
omg, "zielsuchmaschine" though, hahaha
But yeah, Antigravra definitely sounds way better
It's Mine, not Maschine, lol :D
Also, "Rhythmen-Meister" (Rhythm-Master) is cooler than Rhythm-Mixer.
Damn, I love the german version.
So we have the E3 build with Spell Weaver, the Gamescom / EGX build with Ars Magica, and the TGS build with Japanese language and text.
So much for "Why would they bring different builds to the game shows when its all just the same" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
So we have the E3 build with Spell Weaver, the Gamescom / EGX build with Ars Magica, and the TGS build with Japanese language and text.
So much for "Why would they bring different builds to the game shows when its all just the same" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I wouldn't call it an entirely different build. I mean, there were german subtitles and the title menu was in german as well, so why not translate the command style as well :D
I wouldn't call it an entirely different build. I mean, there were german subtitles and the title menu was in german as well, so why not translate the command style as well :D
True. But since they had time between E3 and Gamescom/TGS to bring out versions of the demo with those translations, who's to say they didn't update Terra :)
On a completely different note, do you guys think the controls will be "swapped" again?
On a completely different note, do you guys think the controls will be "swapped" again?
You mean like Japan uses O to attack whereas most other countries have it as X?
You mean like Japan uses O to attack whereas most other countries have it as X?
Yeah, that's what I mean
Yeah, that's what I mean
All I can say is that I used X to attack and O to jump sooo...I suppose it's a given? xD
All I can say is that I used X to attack and O to jump sooo...I suppose it's a given? xD
Good to know then, I was unaware, haha
I'm just glad there's no finnish version. Everything sounds awkward when translated to finnish. It's interesting to learn what different attacks etc. are in other european languages though, italian and german especially sound really cool. Maybe for KH3 we could have the option to change languages ingame?
I'm just glad there's no finnish version. Everything sounds awkward when translated to finnish. It's interesting to learn what different attacks etc. are in other european languages though, italian and german especially sound really cool. Maybe for KH3 we could have the option to change languages ingame?
I'd like that too. I'd probably be switching all the time though...
I'm just glad there's no finnish version. Everything sounds awkward when translated to finnish. It's interesting to learn what different attacks etc. are in other european languages though, italian and german especially sound really cool. Maybe for KH3 we could have the option to change languages ingame?
Hopefully! Square Enix have included multiple language options in their recent games, although voice work might be contained to just your spoken language with Japanese VO DLC.
It would be very nice if they'd include such a feature, even though I probably won't use it. (Except for maybe switching over to English every now and then)
True. But since they had time between E3 and Gamescom/TGS to bring out versions of the demo with those translations, who's to say they didn't update Terra :)
Well they definitely updated Terra for TGS, but because of the footage PS Access gave us along with them just stopping before Terra people are thinking the TGS build was TV settings again. Sorry if this doesn't make sense
I don't understand how TV settings could do plastic surgery on Terra's face 8D
I don't understand how TV settings could do plastic surgery on Terra's face 8D
Every other game showcased at TGS looks fine but for some reason 2.8 is the only game where the TV settings is messing with the visuals?I just don't get it.
I wonder why they stopped recording before Terra showed up tho,would have been nice to see a better quality screen of him.
Every other game showcased at TGS looks fine but for some reason 2.8 is the only game where the TV settings is messing with the visuals?I just don't get it.
I wonder why they stopped recording before Terra showed up tho,would have been nice to see a better quality screen of him.
I think it was just a natural stopping point for them. There was no more gameplay to show, they were out of time (Finished with a 10 minute break until they came back for FFXV). It's a shame, but it's whatever. Direct HD gameplay, and it was good.
As for the localisation, not all countries in Europe got that. My BBS version has the NA names.
But, what is Wingblade in the German version?
As for the localisation, not all countries in Europe got that. My BBS version has the NA names.
But, what is Wingblade in the German version?
Klingenlicht .
Klingenlicht .
Which translates in English roughly to "Lightblades" or "Blades of Light" respectively.
This translation is actually somewhat odd in comparison as the German variant not only completely omits the "wing" parts (the six swords do form a set of "wings" visually after all) the term itself also puts emphasis on the "light" rather than the blades.
Which translates in English roughly to "Lightblades" or "Blades of Light" respectively.
This translation is actually somewhat odd in comparison as the German variant not only completely omits the "wing" parts (the six swords do form a set of "wings" visually after all) the term itself also puts emphasis on the "light" rather than the blades.
While you're right, I don't even know what they could've used instead of Klingenlicht. "Flügelklinge"? (crack-translation) Does that even sound good?
Which translates in English roughly to "Lightblades" or "Blades of Light" respectively.
This translation is actually somewhat odd in comparison as the German variant not only completely omits the "wing" parts (the six swords do form a set of "wings" visually after all) the term itself also puts emphasis on the "light" rather than the blades.
I'm actually okay with the light-part, but I don't get why they cut the wing part either.
Klingenlicht .
Thanks.
Which translates in English roughly to "Lightblades" or "Blades of Light" respectively.
This translation is actually somewhat odd in comparison as the German variant not only completely omits the "wing" parts (the six swords do form a set of "wings" visually after all) the term itself also puts emphasis on the "light" rather than the blades.
In general Ventus uses more Light in his fighting style. It's indeed odd though. But it's not as if the "wings" are the main factor in this command style. It's only supposed to represent wings, it's not as if Ventus flies around once he uses it. And if you would look at it for the first time without knowing it's name, you would notice the Blade shapes and the fact that it's made out of Light before the fact that it's supposed to represent wings. I can see why they named it "Blades of Light".
While you're right, I don't even know what they could've used instead of Klingenlicht. "Flügelklinge"? (crack-translation) Does that even sound good?
Hmh, you tell us. You're the one who might have played with it.
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I'm actually okay with the light-part, but I don't get why they cut the wing part either.
Might have gotten a bit long? "Wing Blades of Light"?
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Isn't there even little white feathers floating down when Ven does the finisher of that moveset? It feels like the wing part was kinda important.
I also feel like that fits Ventus very well since he is the only on the trio in BBS who learns glide. And his name meaning wind also fits with the wind theme.
Isn't there even little white feathers floating down when Ven does the finisher of that moveset? It feels like the wing part was kinda important.
Yeah, plus it refers to his element of wind.
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Might have gotten a bit long? "Wing Blades of Light"?
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No, the translation would be long. We can only guess what they could've used ("Flügelklinge", "Flügelschweif", etc.)
I don't mind Klingenlicht, though.
Klingenlicht .
While you're right, I don't even know what they could've used instead of Klingenlicht. "Flügelklinge"? (crack-translation) Does that even sound good?
"Flügelklinge" would be a direct literal translation of "Wingblade" but it obviously does not sound that good in German when spoken.
A possible compromise would be "Schwingenklinge(n)", but the arguably best sounding German variant would have been simply "Lichtklinge(n)" as "Klingenlicht" in itself may also be read as "a single light shaped like a blade" which doesn't really describe the technique.
When reading "Klingenllcht" one may also think of "Teelicht" (tea light in English), that little candle situated in a small cup of metal. ;P
I'm actually okay with the light-part, but I don't get why they cut the wing part either.
It would have been too long to fit into the HUD, technically you could say "Lichtschwingenklinge" or "Lichtflügelklinge" (which means both "Lightwingblade" in English and that way include everything the ability is about but that is still longer than "Ars Velocitatis" which is arguably the longest term in the German Translation.
As JR199913 says though, the blades forming wings, while symbolic, is strictly spoken not the central point of the ability as the actual core parts of it are blades of light. In that vein the German translation, although a little bumpy, actually describes it more to the point.
It would be a difference if the blades being arranged like wings would actually allow Ventus to float/fly over the ground while the style is active, but he keeps moving on foot making the whole thing symbolic.
Isn't there even little white feathers floating down when Ven does the finisher of that moveset? It feels like the wing part was kinda important.
I also feel like that fits Ventus very well since he is the only on the trio in BBS who learns glide. And his name meaning wind also fits with the wind theme.
Feathers can also be a symbol of both wind and light (angelic symbolism) and as such represent Ventus' two primary elements.
A "wing" (that isn't demonic/bat-like) can thus be a symbol of both the elements wind (birds, using air to fly) and light (angels, feathers).
Overall the "wing"-theme certainly fits overall with Ventus as a whole but as said above, the German translators apparently found it more important to actually describe what the actual ability is primary about (blades made of light) rather than the way they are arranged on Ven's back.
I love how this turned into "why do the germans translate stuff so weirdly" just like that.
I don't really see anything literal sound good in german, neither Flügelklinge nor Klingenflug or anything else. I suppose that's what they thought as well and decided to go with something that at least kinda has the style's theme in it.
Well, as I said, I don't mind Klingenlicht at all. It's probably just what Void said above^
| Yeah, plus it refers to his element of wind. |
| Feathers can also be a symbol of both wind and light (angelic symbolism) and as such represent Ventus' two primary elements. A "wing" (that isn't demonic/bat-like) can thus be a symbol of both the elements wind (birds, using air to fly) and light (angels, feathers). Overall the "wing"-theme certainly fits overall with Ventus as a whole but as said above, the German translators apparently found it more important to actually describe what the actual ability is primary about (blades made of light) rather than the way they are arranged on Ven's back. |
Aah, right. I forgot that the white feather/wing could also tie into holiness, light and etc... I guess it`s also a callback to Ven`s heart being full of light. Explains why the blades are made from that element.
I remember a little while back there was this interview with Yause where he described the things what the team thinks when they are creating a new play style:
| The Kingdom Hearts series has seen a number of different Keyblade wielders throughout the years. When trying to create unique gameplay for each of them, Yasue explains the easy concept they've applied, where they focus on certain keywords that can define the character in both story and gameplay. Aqua, who is protagonist of 0.2, is related to water, skilled with magic, and is strongand elegant. They incorporate these keywords into her movement and abilities, creating a character that uses powerful magic in a flashy manner. |
So I guess in Ven´s case the themes would be wind/light, speed and agility etc... and in Terra`s case earth/rock, brute power and etc...
Seeing Aqua ride the icy line while looking fabulous, I think they got those themes right. There is also something really interesting in her break time(and movement overall) in BBS. Ven showcases his speed, Terra his power and Aqua elegantly moves around her keyblade, like some gymnast or magician. *now imagines Aqua in a black top hat, black suit and pants, performing magic tricks.*
EDIT:
Psst, the PS Access footage Chaser mentioned is now on YoutTube:
[video=youtube;bJ0cB9m1lTE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ0cB9m1lTE[/video]
I watched a little bit and like Spock said when she played the demo, the hits really have weight behind them and enemies get stunned. That makes me really happy! That was one of the things that worried me a bit but I don´t have to anymore! I also love how smoothly the finishers and magic connects to combos, and you can even do Aquas finisher on the air now. I think in BBS it forces you to the ground when you activate a finisher.
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