Yen Sid's "proper way". (Fun discussion)

[vaderskywalker]

I just want to make something clear so there is no confusion, this is not the same thing as my "About Sora's level" thread, this is about why Yen Sid felt it was "necessary" for Sora and Riku to start from scratch, they were already pretty strong, he basically made them weak on purpose so they could get strong again a different way, what was wrong with the way they got strong before? they got stronger through hard work and determination, in the field no less, Yen Sid apparently decided that wasn't good enough, what was his logic for that? that's like King Kai or Kami deciding that the way Goku got stronger wasn't good enough for them, and we all know that's not what happened, so, what are your thoughts?

 

[Deleted member 246005]

I just want to make something clear so there is no confusion, this is not the same thing as my "About Sora's level" thread, this is about why Yen Sid felt it was "necessary" for Sora and Riku to start from scratch, they were already pretty strong, he basically made them weak on purpose so they could get strong again a different way, what was wrong with the way they got strong before? they got stronger through hard work and determination, in the field no less, Yen Sid apparently decided that wasn't good enough, what was his logic for that? that's like King Kai or Kami deciding that the way Goku got stronger wasn't good enough for them, and we all know that's not what happened, so, what are your thoughts?

I thought Nomura wanted to justify Sora loosing his powers and wanted a callback to Ven, Terra and Aqua's beginning.

 

[vaderskywalker]

I thought Nomura wanted to justify Sora loosing his powers and wanted a callback to Ven, Terra and Aqua's beginning.

He did, and yeah, he definitely wanted a callback, but Yen Sid's reasoning doesn't really make sense when you really think about it.

 

[Deleted member 246005]

He did, and yeah, he definitely wanted a callback, but Yen Sid's reasoning doesn't really make sense when you really think about it.

I know. It would've made more sense as a moral test- he wanted to make sure Sora and Riku didn't become another Xehanort so he tests their principles rather than they're ability to fight.

It might've been better to do it like Harry potter Book 6, have Yen Sid go along with Sora and Riku and test them on the worlds itself while he investigates something.

 

[vaderskywalker]

I know. It would've made more sense as a moral test- he wanted to make sure Sora and Riku didn't become another Xehanort so he tests their principles rather than they're ability to fight.

It might've been better to do it like Harry potter Book 6, have Yen Sid go along with Sora and Riku and test them on the worlds itself while he investigates something.

Agreed.

 

[Launchpad]

Yen Sid trains jobbers (Kairi, Axel), and we have seen time and time again that the most important lessons in this series are learned on the STREETS (of Walt Disney Animated worlds). Sora and Riku are able to take Ansem on in 1 and CoM respectively, and this is a much more impressive feat on its own than most of the 'properly trained' wielders can boast. Now, I don't think this is an in-universe phenomenon, I think it's poor writing. We're told time and again that certain characters need 'more training', but this training never manifests in a quantifiable improvement in these characters or the way that they fight.

 

[Chie]

Yen Sid is not a good mentor or, indeed, a good person.

 

[vaderskywalker]

Yen Sid is not a good mentor or, indeed, a good person.

Agreed, if he was, he would have warned Sora and Riku (because he also has it) about the misuse of the Power of Waking, in fact despite his faults, I think Eraqus is a much better mentor, and that's saying something when Eraqus is a better mentor then the guy who trained Mickey Mouse.

 

[Deleted member 246005]

Agreed.

Training isn't a bad idea, it's just not fleshed out really well.

Having Yen Sid train them in more specific ways suited for their own struggles would've worked better.

In hindsight the first game would've been the best place for Yen Sid. Sora is a kid with no real life expierence outside of his peaceful island. So Donald and Goofy taking him to Yen Sid for guidance would've made more sense to me.

 

[Chie]

Except the whole point of Sora in KH1 is that he doesn't care about laws or rules, represented by him doing all that stuff with the Keyblade specifically without any real mentor or experience.

Training mattering at all is a bad idea because it's counter to the themes of the whole series.

 

[DolanGood]

The thing is, they probably didn't even need to lose their powers. The story could've been written in a way where maybe the sleeping worlds relies on some inherent dream logic and operates on their own system, and therefore their current powers at that point wouldn't be effective or reliable, hence the introduction to flowmotion, and that would have been fine.

 

[vaderskywalker]

The thing is, they probably didn't even need to lose their powers. The story could've been written in a way where maybe the sleeping worlds relies on some inherent dream logic and operates on their own system, and therefore their current powers at that point wouldn't be effective or reliable, hence the introduction to flowmotion, and that would have been fine.

That also sounds like a cool idea that they could have done, I agree.