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Okay so I don't really spend much time on the forums so I don't know if someone posted this answer already. I just want to know how a heartless and a nobody exist at the same time. Ansem was alive during the time when Xemnas was alive. In re:chain of memories, Ansem was shown as Diz in disguise facing Riku while the real Xehanort was inside Riku. I know that Xemnas is alive because the organization is still there and the talk about their Superior. However, if they can exist at the same time then how come Sora and Roxas can't. I mean Kairi and Namine held hands and existed. Why do they have to live as one. Does it make Sora stronger or something. I kinda felt bad for Roxas when he had to fuse with Sora and leave his life. I don't remember if you need to have them as one because while Sora was sleeping Roxas was around, but when Kairi was on the island Namine was in the castle. So they can live seperate lives and be fine. So why do they have to fuse and the nobodies have to leave their lives even though it is fake it still kinda sucks.
 

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i think this is because kairi was a princess of heart that she was not ever actually make a nobody or heartless but then her heart migrated to soras body and when he released kairis heart from his body he also released his own heart thus creating namine and roxas ok in kh2 namine tells roxas that he is soras other half, namine is partially created from sora that could possibly be why she and kairi can hold hands and exist where as for sora to fully awaken and regain all his memories him and roxas must become one again also i read something in a trailer for 358/2 days that says the mind comes back whenever they touch so sora would have never awakened if him and roxas became one i hope this helps
 

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I just want to know how a heartless and a nobody exist at the same time. Ansem was alive during the time when Xemnas was alive.

Okay, there are three components to life. The heart, body, and soul. When the heart leaves the said body, the individual does not perish. He/She would either end up as a heartless or exist solely as a heart. If the heart was strong enough, the body and soul will leave the realm of light, only to be reborn as a different being, a la nobody. So technically, if everything is set up correctly, a heartless and a nobody can co-exist. This is basic stuff.

Why do they have to live as one. Does it make Sora stronger or something.

In order to become complete, they need to live as one. Not sure if that'll make Sora stronger, though. (Probably would)

So why do they have to fuse and the nobodies have to leave their lives even though it is fake it still kinda sucks.

To exist fully and completely. You shouldn't feel sad for Roxas and Namine, they both got their happy ending. =P
 

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Roxas and Sora CAN exist at the same time. 358/2 Days is the story of what Roxas was doing while Sora(Still existing) was asleep. Get it?
 

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A little off topic, but Xehanort is the only one to have their heartless take a human form to our knowledge, correct?
 

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^ Correct.

So far, he's the only one to have accomplish such a feat.
 

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But, we must remember that he only took that form (or, at least to our knowledge) after taking over Riku's body.

So. He definitely had a will of his own, no doubt, but his "human form" in question is debatable.
 

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But, we must remember that he only took that form (or, at least to our knowledge) after taking over Riku's body.

So. He definitely had a will of his own, no doubt, but his "human form" in question is debatable.

A good point indeed Cis.

I guess it's safe to say that he is the only one to have achieved a "human" form, but we can't say he had it inherently, according to your observation Cis.
 

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^ That's a trivial matter, really.

Despite that, as a heartless, he's the only one capable of doing such a thing (to our knowledge). That's what important.
 

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Well then a follow up my point... is there any theories as to why Xehanort's heartless and nobody's never interacted? Unless I missed something, Nobodies are able to remember their past self and Xemnas was trying to become whole again. I mean, did he have no clue as to where his other half ended up? Assuming the EM fight in KH1 Final mix was cannon, I don't see how Xemnas couldn't have put 2 and 2 together. I mean when Riku and company were trying to make Sora whole they captured Roxas, and Xemnas had a bunch of lackies... not quite a 1:1 example, and even if he had captured "Ansem" I'm not sure what he was to suppose to have done... but I just wanted to hear some thoughs regarding Xemnas/"Ansem"
 

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But, we must remember that he only took that form (or, at least to our knowledge) after taking over Riku's body.

So. He definitely had a will of his own, no doubt, but his "human form" in question is debatable.

No. This might not be true cause remember when Sora saw him in "the secret spot" he was shaped like a human-type thing. Maybe having your heart full of darkness will result in a human-form heartless.
 

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No. This might not be true cause remember when Sora saw him in "the secret spot" he was shaped like a human-type thing. Maybe having your heart full of darkness will result in a human-form heartless.
Either way, my point being that the form we see at HB was most probably not the form he was originally conceived in. Thus, I'd assume it didn't look as "Ansem-like" as we'd think.

Take that as you will.
 

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Well then a follow up my point... is there any theories as to why Xehanort's heartless and nobody's never interacted? Unless I missed something, Nobodies are able to remember their past self and Xemnas was trying to become whole again. I mean, did he have no clue as to where his other half ended up? Assuming the EM fight in KH1 Final mix was cannon, I don't see how Xemnas couldn't have put 2 and 2 together. I mean when Riku and company were trying to make Sora whole they captured Roxas, and Xemnas had a bunch of lackies... not quite a 1:1 example, and even if he had captured "Ansem" I'm not sure what he was to suppose to have done... but I just wanted to hear some thoughs regarding Xemnas/"Ansem"

Well, I think they both knew of each others existence and perhaps whereabouts. Though...

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However, they function under separate minds. Xehanort most certainly got rid of his heart, and at that time it's assumed a Nobody was born. The means of obtaining their goal is different due to the nature of Heartless and Nobodies. However. I think for both of them the desire "to become a complete existence" is the same.
 
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