Why Kairi -can- have two Nobodies

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I know a lot of us think so already, I know a lot of us would disagree, but for those of us that simply don't know better, and because it's a repeating issue over the many Xion discussions, I felt this thread was needed.

Ever since Xion's face was revealed, the likely possibility of Kairi being her Somebody was raised.
This, in turn raised the rather nagging notion by many -

But what about Naminé?!

...well, what about Naminé?

This is where the people will roar and point accusingly at Naminé, claiming her to not be Kairi's Nobody, claiming her to be an even bigger plot hole than she already is with her odd, too-unique birth, accuse her of only be there to come in between AkuRoku and be a poor device to further base SoKai basing on RokuNami.
Well, Naminé being most of the plot in the series aside, that's kind of a silly notion, saying that Kairi can't have two Nobodies, let alone Special Nobodies.

You know, her Heart left her Body and Soul behind and all that jazz.

Xion possibly being Kairi's Nobody doesn't mean Naminé isn't. Me believing Naminé just might be an Unbirth aside -

It's been confirmed repeatedly in KH2 and by Nomura, you silly duckies, do your homework

1. Naminé has all but nothing holding her together. Go read the Secret Ansem Reports in case you missed it. Kairi's Body + Soul (henceforth referred to as B+S) remained as Kairi in KH1; Sora's B+S moved on to become Roxas. What did that leave Naminé with? What was that?
   Nothing? Yes, yes, I quite agree.
   Yet she's still running around as a Nobody, right? Right.
   
   That is to say, she both never took anything from Kairi so even if Xion did or needed anything from Kairi, it's not like Xion took something Naminé would've needed, or vice-versa. Also - Naminé is made from nothing; who's to say Xion isn't? Kairi's B+S remained in tact after her Heart moved into Sora's B + S. That does not rule out the possibility of a Special Nobody being born from all but nothing to create Xion.
   I'd call a Nobody that isn't created of anything and to top it was that was born from a PoH pretty damn special, wouldn't you?
   Since, you know, Xion if she's Kairi's Nobody was likely created on the night of the storm - from Kairi, as opposed to Naminé - which brings me to my next point.
2. Naminé was made from Sora. Nomura confirmed it several times, he likes to play on it. He stated clearly in the scenario mysteries interview that Naminé's existence was only made possible by Sora (a statement which possibly kills Xion being Kairi's Nobody altogether but let's leave that aside for now). Now I know what you're saying, AtW said that on the night of the storm, Kairi didn't create a Nobody...
   
   That we know of, lawl.
   Naminé was made from Sora. So what kept Kairi from creating Xion - a Special Nobody - on the night of the storm, only AtW never got in contact with Xion so he never reached any conclusion about her?
   And of course there's always the fun theory of how Naminé mind-wiped everyone about Xion and that's why she's never mentioned in KH2 if DiZ even knew the girl "existed".
   Lawl.

Conclusions -

Xion's a Special Nobody. That is to say, when dealing with her kind, you take up all the rules we know of and just about use them to wipe where the sun doesn't shine. AtW had good enough reasons to theorize initially that a Nobody was created on the Night of the Storm; maybe him changing his mind was because he met Xion somewhere and thus rectified his notion about Naminé? Who knows.
Seeing however how - like with Naminé - the Body and Soul aren't really required for a Special Nobody to be formed - a by product might've been created yet again.
Then we get to the notion that lawl, Namine came from Sora so the main and all but only valid argument to why they can't both be her Nobodies all but died out.
Two Nobodies for a single Heart leaving two Bodies.
Two Special Nobodies.

I don't believe that's the case.
I just don't think we should rule out the possibility of it quite just yet until the fat lady sings.
Or Utada, hopefully. *cough*

 

[Veriun]

*Sees title of thread* Gawd, not another one of those.

*Reads*

...I'll admit, you lost me about halfway through your second point, SA. XD Are you saying Xion might've been created during the night of the storm? Makes sense in terms of looks, anyway. Might explain why Naminé looks nothing like her, and the first thing I thought when seeing Xion artwork was WTF KAIRI RIPOFF? Õ_o

Xion seems to be a professional burglar. First Roxas' Keyblade, now Kairi's looks. :3

 

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*Sees title of thread* Gawd, not another one of those.

The one to end them all, I hope.

...I'll admit, you lost me about halfway through your second point, SA. XD

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Are you saying Xion might've been created during the night of the storm? Makes sense in terms of looks, anyway. Might explain why Naminé looks nothing like her, and the first thing I thought when seeing Xion artwork was WTF KAIRI RIPOFF? Õ_o

Namine differs from Kairi in looks the same way Roxas does from Sora - it's the hair, but KH2 based their faces are identical.
And yes, that's what I'm saying happened - if Xion is Kairi's Nobody.

Xion seems to be a professional burglar. First Roxas' Keyblade, now Kairi's looks. :3

If she's Aqua based, in more ways than one, both were originally hers XD

 

[Gildragon]

SA, this doesn't really sound like a reason for her to have one. from your reasoning anyone could have two nobodies (special nobodies) from what you are saying it sounds to me like the writers were having the follwoing discussion

A: "what can we do to make a really confusing plot twist?"

B: "I know! lets make a new character from ORG XIII and make her Kairi's Nobody?"

A: "but Kairi already has a nobody"

B: "she does?"

A: "yes"

B: "Oh, Right... well we could make it a new SPECIAL nobody"

A: "A special nobody?"

B: "Right cuz Namine wasn't of Kairi's B+S, so we could make it so that when a certain event happend (the storm for example), that Xion was created."

A: "You know that still doesn't work."

B: "yeah but its magical fiction, we literally can do whatever we want."


What I'm saying here SA, is there isn't enough basis by this for Kairi to have any additional nobodies.
Kairi would have had to have lost her heart twice. and so far, she didn't

 

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SA, this doesn't really sound like a reason for her to have one.

Not saying she should have two Nobodies or that she should. Only that it's possible.

from your reasoning anyone could have two nobodies (special nobodies)

Assuming their Hearts left two Bodies? That's exactly what I'm saying, yes; good luck getting that to happen though.

from what you are saying it sounds to me like the writers were having the follwoing discussion

A: "what can we do to make a really confusing plot twist?"

B: "I know! lets make a new character from ORG XIII and make her Kairi's Nobody?"

A: "but Kairi already has a nobody"

B: "she does?"

A: "yes"

B: "Oh, Right... well we could make it a new SPECIAL nobody"

A: "A special nobody?"

B: "Right cuz Namine wasn't of Kairi's B+S, so we could make it so that when a certain event happend (the storm for example), that Xion was created."

A: "You know that still doesn't work."

B: "yeah but its magical fiction, we literally can do whatever we want."

I wouldn't be surprised.

What I'm saying here SA, is there isn't enough basis by this for Kairi to have any additional nobodies.
Kairi would have had to have lost her heart twice. and so far, she didn't

Uh, she did.
Once - her Heart leaves her own Body when Destiny Islands disappear. Her Heart moves into Sora's Body, her Body disappears to reappear elsewhere. Xion possibly born.
Second time - when Sora released Kairi's Heart from his own Body, creating Naminé.

 

[Gildragon]

Once - her Heart leaves her own Body when Destiny Islands disappear. Her Heart moves into Sora's Body, her Body disappears to reappear elsewhere. Xion possibly born..

I never viewed it as her heart actualy left her body per se. but more that when she passed through Sora that her heart just stayed there. like it couldn't be separated from Sora (thereby more enforcing the SORA X KAIRI relationship)

 

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I never viewed it as her heart actualy left her body per se. but more that when she passed through Sora that her heart just stayed there. like it couldn't be separated from Sora (thereby more enforcing the SORA X KAIRI relationship)

The question has to be whether or not it would've happened if he wasn't even there, and what would've happened then. At the very least we can surmise it's because he was finally crowned a Keyblade Master (even if a temporary one) and Kairi, being a PoH, was naturally "in tune" with him, so he served as a convenient vessel for her.
The fact remains though that her Body was left behind - lacking a Heart.

 

[Xebrem]

I'm usually a big beliver of your theories, SA. but this one doesn't seem plausable. since Kairi's body was always in the relm of light. True, we don't know what happened to her prior to her apperence at HB (I think) but your theory just dosen't seem plauseable- sorry...

 

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I'm usually a big beliver of your, SA. but this one doesn't seem plausable. since Kairi's body was always in the relm of light. True, we don't know what happened to her prior to her apperence at HB (I think) but your theory just dosen't seem plauseable- sorry...

Notice the part where I compare Xion to Naminé - a Nobody that doesn't have a Body and Soul of its own.

Personally, I don't believe Xion's Kairi's Nobody either. But it's possible when it comes down to it.

 

[Key of Valor]

Though my views on Namine differ, I like the point this thread
is trying to get across, this point being that Kairi can have two
Nobodies plainly because Xion is a special nobody and could
come into existence by special means. Technically though, by
that logic, anyone could have a special nobody if it can be
explained. If Xion is Kairi's special nobody, she was likely born
the night of the storm BUT I think it's also possible to suggest
that if Xion is Kairi's special nobody, her existence doesn't
necessarily have to deal with that event. I'm also a bit tired
of people saying Xion can't have two Nobodies, so this was
a good idea for a thread.

 

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point being that Kairi can have two
Nobodies plainly because Xion is a special nobody and could
come into existence by special means.

How about that Naminé came from Sora, regardless of her being made up of his B + S or not? She never needed anything from Kairi save for Kairi's Heart to leave Sora's B + S, so she never took from Kairi anything that Xion might've needed.
That's what has people confused the most :\ though Xion being made of all but nothing does come to cover how she could've been born from Kairi despite the fact Kairi's vessel remains in tact in KH1.

Technically though, by
that logic, anyone could have a special nobody if it can be
explained.

Uh, Kairi being a PoH had a lot to do with it, actually. Both that her Heart not only refrained from becoming a Heartless, but that it moved into Sora's Body - thus making for the possible second Nobody - being Naminé - to be created when Sora released their Hearts.
So her being a PoH would make for any Nobody that was possibly created on the night of the storm to be a special one - seeing how her B + S didn't move on to become a regular Nobody.

If Xion is Kairi's special nobody, she was likely born
the night of the storm BUT I think it's also possible to suggest
that if Xion is Kairi's special nobody, her existence doesn't
necessarily have to deal with that event.

True that, though it's all but the only logical event that we know of right now.
I always did say they could do so much with when Kairi was thrown off of Radiant Garden to begin with...
Naminé obviously aged between CoM and KH2; if Xion could age as well (something I'm saying was possible for Nami because Kairi's Heart wasn't a Heartless - thus letting her Sense of Self to mature and in turn maybe affect the resulting Nobodies), there really is nothing stopping her from being created as early on as soon after BBS.
It could also explain her not knowing who she is - Kairi herself doesn't remember her time on Radiant Garden, so even if she would've given Xion her Memories (something she obviously didn't do), it's not like Xion would've gotten too much of them.

I'm also a bit tired
of people saying Xion can't have two Nobodies, so this was
a good idea for a thread.

Thanks

 

[DarkSoldier85]

The first thing i thought when i saw this was, "They're going to bring up the night of the storm, they're going to bring up the night of the storm."

The thing is, this theory has made sense for a while. I don't know if there was a need to post it again.

 

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The first thing i thought when i saw this was, "They're going to bring up the night of the storm, they're going to bring up the night of the storm."

It's when Kairi lost her Heart. I think it's kind of a given it would be brought up when talking about Nobodies that may have came from her XD

The thing is, this theory has made sense for a while. I don't know if there was a need to post it again.

Recent Xion related threads demanded it.

 

[Xebrem]

If Xion is purely Kairi's Nobody, then how comes she can weild the KK? Thats one of the things that throws off the identity of Xion's Somebody.

 

[Byronic Hero]

If Xion is purely Kairi's Nobody, then how comes she can weild the KK? Thats one of the things that throws off the identity of Xion's Somebody.

Same reason Kairi could. She could weild, remember.

 

[Ordeith]

Same reason Kairi could. She could weild, remember.

No, the Pixie Wand of Floral Delight was lent to her by Riku, not to mention all she did was swat a few Shadows around.

 

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If Xion is purely Kairi's Nobody, then how comes she can weild the KK? Thats one of the things that throws off the identity of Xion's Somebody.

Well, it seems to be a bit more complicated than that. Kairi's Heart did move into Sora's Body afterwards, so it might have something to do with the whole thing.
In fact, her Wielding the KK, if it really is Roxas's and not Xion's own, would further base a connection like this -
Kairi's Heart left her own body and moved into Sora's, thus creating Xion that could take the KK from Sora's own Nobody.
Har.

No, the Pixie Wand of Floral Delight was lent to her by Riku, not to mention all she did was swat a few Shadows around.

While I'm hardly the last person to give her credit, I think it's more to say she could hold the Gayblade at all let alone somehow use it, not that it's her very own.
I think Xion is using Roxas's Keyblade, so this actually does serve as base for a relation.

 

[Byronic Hero]

No, the Pixie Wand of Floral Delight was lent to her by Riku, not to mention all she did was swat a few Shadows around.

Yes, it was lent to Kairi from Riku, but do not forget the fact that she did weild it. If she couldn't weild it she wouldn't have been able to "whack" those few heartless that she did.

 

[Xebrem]

Ok, so we've clarifyed that Xion is a.... THEIF! jk

 

[Ven's keyblade]

If Xion is purely Kairi's Nobody, then how comes she can weild the KK? Thats one of the things that throws off the identity of Xion's Somebody.

From what we've seen SPECIAL NOBODIES don't exactly have to be like their other. Look at Roxas and Sora. Sora can wield dual blades by himself if Roxas can and can use Oblivion and Oathkeeper, but Roxas seems to use it more cause it's his style and probably is more efficient with it than Sora is.