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Nutari

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I just had another, way more terrifying idea about that red-eyed thing in combination with that above.

Let's assume Xehanort really extracts Ven's heart...but sees it is still too damaged to be of use.
Cue Xehanort doing the same to Sora what he did to Ven as a kid four years before Birth By Sleep.
He extracts Sora's darkness, forming that red-eyed "thing" which is not Vanitas, but Sora's equivalent to Vanitas.

Sora then falls asleep because of the damage like Ven in the past, but Xehanort is goading Riku into doing a heart-connection with Sora like Sora already has with Ven...giving that red-eyed "thing" Riku's appearance with black hair and golden eyes in the end.


I love your brilliance. And that you used my idea in the process :3
 

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i hav heard that it is both vanitas or anti-sora like dream eater. i really hope sora doesnt become a dream eater. vanitas makes perfect sense. it is like his original form before sora and ven were connected. so maybe this shows that the ven/sora bond was broken and he has returned to his original form? im just theorizing here... but wasnt the part of ven that is in soras heart the same part that got put into roxas. so the only thing i can think of is that sora was turned into a heartless, recreating roxas, seperating ven from sora, and making vanitas no longer have anything to do with sora (well, less to do with sora). then vanitas could return to his original form.

But didn't Vanitas his body dissapear??
 

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I also can see Lea coming out of nowhere to help Mickey and Riku get away from the Xehanorts.

I could actually see this working. As Axel he always seemed to show up around crucial/critical events, whether it was to deter the group or to help. We have already seen Lea interfere with Maleficient (for whatever failed plan she has) And we have also seen now that he is in cahoots with Master Yen Sid. So the idea that Lea could pop in at the very last second and help Riku and Mickey in their attempt to save Sora doesn't seem too far fetched for me this time.

I too see that the red eyed person could indeed have ties to the creature that aqua fought in the dark realm. For all we know that could be the true embodiment of all of Sora's anguish with the ability to manipulate its form, size, and or time. (Hoping it has ties to the MF from BBS)

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Wow.. so a Vanitas-like form of Riku?

That'd be a bitch to kill, knowing SE.

I hated Vani's sentiment, this would just be a new kind of overkill -_-"
 

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I could actually see this working. As Axel he always seemed to show up around crucial/critical events, whether it was to deter the group or to help. We have already seen Lea interfere with Maleficient (for whatever failed plan she has) And we have also seen now that he is in cahoots with Master Yen Sid. So the idea that Lea could pop in at the very last second and help Riku and Mickey in their attempt to save Sora doesn't seem too far fetched for me this time.

I too see that the red eyed person could indeed have ties to the creature that aqua fought in the dark realm. For all we know that could be the true embodiment of all of Sora's anguish with the ability to manipulate its form, size, and or time. (Hoping it has ties to the MF from BBS)


We've been over this a few times, but MF is Young Xehanort. The guy with the spikey silver hair. SO no direct ties at all. Just that he is probably controlling Red-Eyes
 

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Wow.. so a Vanitas-like form of Riku?

That'd be a bitch to kill, knowing SE.

More like Sora's darkness gaining an own consciousness like Vanitas did.
It would be Sora's darkness turned into a living being with a heart of pure darkness by cutting Sora's heart just like Ven's.

That thing would gain Riku's features if Riku would be goaded into performing the same saving grace newborn Sora's heart did for Ven's in the BBS Prologue.

It's all only pure speculation though, never shall forget that.

i hav heard that it is both vanitas or anti-sora like dream eater. i really hope sora doesnt become a dream eater. vanitas makes perfect sense. it is like his original form before sora and ven were connected. so maybe this shows that the ven/sora bond was broken and he has returned to his original form? im just theorizing here... but wasnt the part of ven that is in soras heart the same part that got put into roxas. so the only thing i can think of is that sora was turned into a heartless, recreating roxas, seperating ven from sora, and making vanitas no longer have anything to do with sora (well, less to do with sora). then vanitas could return to his original form.

These are also only speculations, and I doubt the connection between Ven and Sora can be broken that easily, judging by how tightly knit it is.
Don't make the mistake to say Sora/Ven-Heart connection = Ven's heart in Sora's.
The connection between their hearts was already there way before.

Sora cannot have been turned into a heartless though as he sits in that Org throne. If he would be turned into a heartless he would become a shadow again.

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For all we know that could be the true embodiment of all of Sora's anguish with the ability to manipulate its form, size, and or time. (Hoping it has ties to the MF from BBS)
That is my very first theory on that "thing". That it is an exceptionally strong, humanoid nightmare that is all the pain and torment of Terra, Aqua, Ven, Xion, Naminé and Roxas combined.
Further I theorized then that the black Ven-armor with the nightmare-symbol would be an embodiment of Ven's torment alone.

The MF was already confirmed though, it's the golden eyed teenager running around who looks like a young Master Xehanort.
 

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We've been over this a few times, but MF is Young Xehanort. The guy with the spikey silver hair. SO no direct ties at all. Just that he is probably controlling Red-Eyes

We are still talking about the same guy that whipped me for a month straight to the tune of Dark Impetus right?
 

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Going back to the guardian thing in the beginning of the thread, what's up with the final episode-esque purple background?

Btw, did anybody think about the fact that Ven might have aged ~11 years by now? Just imagine him taller, with a beard... *shudder*
 

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Sigh and now my feeling are hurt lol. Well I'll still stand by the idea that it is the embodiment of all of sora's torment.
 

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Going back to the guardian thing in the beginning of the thread, what's up with the final episode-esque purple background?

Btw, did anybody think about the fact that Ven might have aged ~11 years by now? Just imagine him taller, with a beard... *shudder*

Ven's body doesn't have a heart.

So, by the fact that (Regular) Nobodies don't age, due to not having hearts, neither would Ventus. He hasn't aged since BBS.

Really, no one from BBS should have aged.
 

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Btw, did anybody think about the fact that Ven might have aged ~11 years by now? Just imagine him taller, with a beard... *shudder*

Ventus didn't age one bit. His existence is halted since his heart is not within his body.

Aqua has only aged the amount of time 10 years are in the RoD (in the RoD time flows way slower than in the RoL) and Terra should be about a year older since Ansem SoD and Xemnas were created one year after BBS.
 

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I like sephiroth's take on the red-eyed thing. It could happen. In the worst case scenario MX gains another really strong keyblade wielder.
 

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I like sephiroth's take on the red-eyed thing. It could happen. In the worst case scenario MX gains another really strong keyblade wielder.

Thanks.
While that is all fine and dandy what we speculate about the horrible things that could happen to Sora's heart, there's still another issue to take note of.
Ventus has his own heart, that, despite still being wounded, could be somehow sustained otherwise/held captive by Master Xehanort, but what would happen to Roxas and Xion when all hell breaks loose with Sora's heart? As far as we know they don't have own hearts (yet, maybe?) and are tied directly inside Sora's heart. Their minds and memories are sleeping inside it.
 

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I'm under the assumption that somehow xion is within namine'. It would be an unseen plot twist, and it could maybe answer why she isn't with Roxas and Axel in the RoS. I can't remember who said this on another thread but they voiced what i was thinking. Roxas however has walked his own dark path before so there is no telling what could happen to him if Sora's heart fell to darkness. Xion I think would be safe, Roxas....not so much.
 

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While that is all fine and dandy what we speculate about the horrible things that could happen to Sora's heart, there's still another issue to take note of.
Ventus has his own heart, that, despite still being wounded, could be somehow sustained otherwise/held captive by Master Xehanort, but what would happen to Roxas and Xion when all hell breaks loose with Sora's heart? As far as we know they don't have own hearts (yet, maybe?) and are tied directly inside Sora's heart. Their minds and memories are sleeping inside it.

You know this has me thinking as well. In Sora's heart there is Ven/Roxas/Xion. Let's say Ven is not healed yet so it's out of commission. You think Roxas/Xion will help out Sora? i mean you think IF MX wants to do something to Sora's heart they'll stop him? by either fighting him in the Dive to the heart or stop him from extracting/damaging etc etc. and i will go even further by saying that someone will jump out from Sora and stop him.
 

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I'm under the assumption that somehow xion is within namine'. It would be an unseen plot twist, and it could maybe answer why she isn't with Roxas and Axel in the RoS. I can't remember who said this on another thread but they voiced what i was thinking. Roxas however has walked his own dark path before so there is no telling what could happen to him if Sora's heart fell to darkness. Xion I think would be safe, Roxas....not so much.

They were shown together in the trailer, but that can also be a throwback to Coded, where Roxas and Axel where shown together in a group, TAV and Xion was with Naminé.
Naminé is with Kairi and should therefore be the safest of all the tormented ones (I won't dare speak about Terra yet), but Xion needs to be within Sora right now because the memories that her physical existence in Days originally was based on belong to Sora. If her mind and her own memories are somehow with Naminé she would be more or less "safe" though I clearly don't know how that would be possible.

Roxas would then indeed be the one who's in greatest danger beside Sora himself.
What I could possibly imagine is that Roxas maybe flees into Ven's wounded heart, although that would then probably make him a captive of Xehanort just like Ven himself.

You know this has me thinking as well. In Sora's heart there is Ven/Roxas/Xion. Let's say Ven is not healed yet so it's out of commission. You think Roxas/Xion will help out Sora? i mean you think IF MX wants to do something to Sora's heart they'll stop him? by either fighting him in the Dive to the heart or stop him from extracting/damaging etc etc. and i will go even further by saying that someone will jump out from Sora and stop him.

That would depend on if Roxas and Xion can awaken and actually influence something. Terra, Aqua and Ven couldn't defeat MX at their full power (granted, he had help from Vanitas) and as it looks like Mickey and Riku also stand no real chance and get trashed by Ansem SoD and Xemnas.
The question would then be if Roxas and Xion even can hope to somehow stop MX from doing whatever cruel thing he plans.

As we also see in the last few frames of the trailer there's the guardian shown alone...that thing we also have to take into consideration.
 

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BTW, "Who's sitting on the throne?" The guy who reads this:

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