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Who will be saved first? Terra or Ven?



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I would think Ventus. Currently, Terra is with A Hornet X so he can't be saved yet, and Mickey said in the RE:coded Secret Ending,
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So i would say Ventus.

We don't know if Terra is really still with Tan Hero X, given all the implications towards Riku and the like.

Actually Mickey says:
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That implies they're not completely sure yet, but close to finding out.

It all depends on what is actually covered in 3D besides the MoM-exam.

But now when I consider Mickey's statement above I could imagine one task in 3D for Riku and Sora maybe finding out if Mickey's suspicions of Ven's heart are right and to somehow get in contact with that heart to get to know in what state it currently is. I.e. if and when yes how much it has recovered etc.


And there's only two real options for Van being independant of Ven:
Vanitas returning
Ven's heart using some of Sora's darkness to repair his heart. Which may result in Vanita's return inadverdantly, anyway.

fixed that minor letter error, lol, otherwise it would make no sense.

That's actually a neat idea.
Sora is closely connected with Ven, while Ven is still connected with Vanitas (if he still exists, that is).
So it would be not impossible for Vanitas to us his connection to Ven to jump over to Sora over the Sora/Ven-connection and hide inside Sora's darkness, waiting for his turn to strike.
Of course it would be inadvertantly, but add a real dramatic twist to the story. Just being saved Ven would be in immediate danger again, as would Sora and co.
 

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We don't know if Terra is really still with Tan Hero X, given all the implications towards Riku and the like.

Actually Mickey says:
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That implies they're not completely sure yet, but close to finding out.

It all depends on what is actually covered in 3D besides the MoM-exam.

But now when I consider Mickey's statement above I could imagine one task in 3D for Riku and Sora maybe finding out if Mickey's suspicions of Ven's heart are right and to somehow get in contact with that heart to get to know in what state it currently is. I.e. if and when yes how much it has recovered etc.




fixed that minor letter error, lol, otherwise it would make no sense.

That's actually a neat idea.
Sora is closely connected with Ven, while Ven is still connected with Vanitas (if he still exists, that is).
So it would be not impossible for Vanitas to us his connection to Ven to jump over to Sora over the Sora/Ven-connection and hide inside Sora's darkness, waiting for his turn to strike.
Of course it would be inadvertantly, but add a real dramatic twist to the story. Just being saved Ven would be in immediate danger again, as would Sora and co.

Oh, thanks for clearing that up. I wasn't quite sure myself.
 

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Oh, thanks for clearing that up. I wasn't quite sure myself.

No issue, it's after all quite a mess at the moment and all we can do is throw speculations around until we get some more infos.

As 3D is supposed to be leading directly into KH III I would assume that the things that are explored in 3D will clearly help to get a clearer picture on who's saved first.

But concerning only the BBS-Trio (TAV) I think we can nearly all come to the agreement that Aqua will be most likely the first to get her butt back in action and assist Sora and co.
 

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No issue, it's after all quite a mess at the moment and all we can do is throw speculations around until we get some more infos.

As 3D is supposed to be leading directly into KH III I would assume that the things that are explored in 3D will clearly help to get a clearer picture on who's saved first.

But concerning only the BBS-Trio (TAV) I think we can nearly all come to the agreement that Aqua will be most likely the first to get her butt back in action and assist Sora and co.

I agree. Thats most likely to happen unless Nomura reads this and rescues someone else just to screw with us.
 

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I agree. Thats most likely to happen unless Nomura reads this and rescues someone else just to screw with us.

Lol, can Nomura even read english this good?
But sure, he said 3D would have a surprising end. Maybe Riku and Sora discover during 3D that Terra's heart is really within Riku and, unlike Ven's, is not injured.
To celebrate them becoming Keyblade Masters Yen Sid shows them how to extract a heart without harming it and as Xehanort is in his own body we get a perfectly healthy Terra at the end of 3D, ready to go to kick some asses together with Riku and Sora, completely ditching the claim nobody would be saved before KH III and showing us: "Meh...you were all wrong." *ggg*
 

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Lol, can Nomura even read english this good?
But sure, he said 3D would have a surprising end. Maybe Riku and Sora discover during 3D that Terra's heart is really within Riku and, unlike Ven's, is not injured.
To celebrate them becoming Keyblade Masters Yen Sid shows them how to extract a heart without harming it and as Xehanort is in his own body we get a perfectly healthy Terra at the end of 3D, ready to go to kick some asses together with Riku and Sora, completely ditching the claim nobody would be saved before KH III and showing us: "Meh...you were all wrong." *ggg*

I agree with your idea. All we need is for Terra to be proclaimed the Tan Hero X and he has to fight the multiple Xehanorts, A Hornet X, He On Rat X, and Sex Man, but Terra has the hero, Ant Hero X, which is Sora, helping him. That would make 3D the perfect video game....
 

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Blank Points and the end of Coded pretty much spill out that Sora is the key to save all tormented ones. Having Ansem the Wise and Aqua rescuing themselves would therefore pretty much contradict what was established in Blank Points.
Maybe Aqua and Ansem will find freedom after BBS2 and they'll do so with some sort of Sora involvement. I don't think Sora will be playable in BBS2 but he'll still be around and have some sort of importance.
 

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Didn't Aqua promise that she and Terra would be there to come wake him up? I'd like that lol Have them go after the villain and fix everything then go get Ven seeing how we don't need two chipper little keyblade wielding tools lol jk I love Sora.
 

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Excuse me about the bolded part, but when was that ever said?
I can't remember the main trio also on the list...

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Didn't Aqua promise that she and Terra would be there to come wake him up? I'd like that lol Have them go after the villain and fix everything then go get Ven seeing how we don't need two chipper little keyblade wielding tools lol jk I love Sora.
You're joking around but you do bring up a good point, Ven and Sora are a bit too similar to each other so it could be weird having them both around at the same time. Maybe Ven will go through a personality change? The poor guy has been through hell and had his heart ripped to shreds, maybe Ven will act differently because of all that after he finally wakes up.
 

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Lol, can Nomura even read english this good?
But sure, he said 3D would have a surprising end. Maybe Riku and Sora discover during 3D that Terra's heart is really within Riku and, unlike Ven's, is not injured.
To celebrate them becoming Keyblade Masters Yen Sid shows them how to extract a heart without harming it and as Xehanort is in his own body we get a perfectly healthy Terra at the end of 3D, ready to go to kick some asses together with Riku and Sora, completely ditching the claim nobody would be saved before KH III and showing us: "Meh...you were all wrong." *ggg*

That will be plot twisted for us since we had assume Terra is within Xehanort' xD
But it will be possible for Terra's heart already stay in Riku'..
Then it could be Terra is the first one who get saved lol
Anyway, I hope Aqua get save as soon as possible since she has been wandering in the dark place for a long time, she should be very tired. D:
 

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I'm sorry, but I can't find the first part anywhere in the Coded-script I have, which world was that?

The second however seems to be a misunderstanding/mistranslation. The memories the real Naminé found deep inside Sora's heart (of TAV, the ones from Xion and Roxas added later) are the intense torment, added to the KH I journal to be delivered by the Data Naminé. Sora himself has no torment, and his Data-counterpart found the way to withstand that intense bunch of torment so that Sora's heart won't be overwhelmed by it and fall to darkness.

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You're joking around but you do bring up a good point, Ven and Sora are a bit too similar to each other so it could be weird having them both around at the same time. Maybe Ven will go through a personality change? The poor guy has been through hell and had his heart ripped to shreds, maybe Ven will act differently because of all that after he finally wakes up.

Excuse me but I can't see why this is a good point at all, leaving Ventus to last just because he's similar to Sora...ahem, what's this?
Them interacting would be "weird"? LMAO, it's destined to happen anyways and I really, really don't see what would be "weird" about that at all.
Similar =/= same...and if one pays close enough attention one will find that Sora and Ven differ.

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About Ven's entire ordeal of agony over a long time I could imagine however that he has maybe become significantly more sensitive/vulnerable to pain, somewhat insecure and maybe even somewhat less "outgoing".
 

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I'm sorta just going to list in chronological order of who I think will get saved from first to last.


Namine- She definitely needs to be saved first, she is the one with the most info besides Atw.

Atw- Namine and Atw can be switched since they both have the most knowledge of what's happening and they can both are almost always inseperable.

Roxas/Xion/Axel- These three are the least worried about. I mean...I really don't understand how Roxas and Xion are tormented when they get fused with Sora again. I can understand Axel but it sorta still confuses me on the other two.

Aqua- She will be needed to probably restore Ven and CO.

Ven- Because...just...because?

Terra- Self explanatory.
 

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I'm sorta just going to list in chronological order of who I think will get saved from first to last.


Namine- She definitely needs to be saved first, she is the one with the most info besides Atw.

Atw- Namine and Atw can be switched since they both have the most knowledge of what's happening and they can both are almost always inseperable.

Roxas/Xion/Axel- These three are the least worried about. I mean...I really don't understand how Roxas and Xion are tormented when they get fused with Sora again. I can understand Axel but it sorta still confuses me on the other two.

Aqua- She will be needed to probably restore Ven and CO.

Ven- Because...just...because?

Terra- Self explanatory.

I really don't think anyone besides ATV are gonna be saved. Namine is already inside Kairi, so she's safe. Roxas and Xion are already inside Sora. Axel is either dead or is prob gonna come back... no clue.

Aqua is the first one to be saved def, she is the only one who can go inside Oblivion castle and find Ven. Terra is gonna be the last one since he's the one most lost and suffering. So Aqua > Ven >Terra
 

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@Dowhax:

You probably haven't played Coded yet, so I'll refrain from spoilering too much here.
But regarding Xion and Roxas, the reason they are in torment is actually because they are fused with Sora.
We don't know exactly about Xion's torment, but one part of it is that everyone has forgotten her.
Roxas's torment we know, but that's a Coded-Spoiler.


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Namine is already inside Kairi, so she's safe. Roxas and Xion are already inside Sora.
But that is actually part of the problem why they are in torment.
 
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@Dowhax:

You probably haven't played Coded yet, so I'll refrain from spoilering too much here.
But regarding Xion and Roxas, the reason they are in torment is actually because they are fused with Sora.
We don't know exactly about Xion's torment, but one part of it is that everyone has forgotten her.
Roxas's torment we know, but that's a Coded-Spoiler.



But that is actually part of the problem why they are in torment.
http://forums.khinsider.com/members/moonlight_aqua18-81329.html

Meant as a joke or seriously?
 

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I've played and beaten Coded, so that wasn't a spoiler. I mean, I know Data Namine gave more info on why them, but still, they aren't...REALLY in torment. Nomura just wants them to seem important.
 

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I've played and beaten Coded, so that wasn't a spoiler. I mean, I know Data Namine gave more info on why them, but still, they aren't...REALLY in torment. Nomura just wants them to seem important.

You have a real interesting stance on the matter. (And that is by no means intended as ironic!)

So in your eyes being trapped inside another person, able to watch all that unfolds yet don't be able to do anything despite you wanting to have an own life isn't suffering?
Being hidden in the deepest part of th heart of a person and the entire universe has forgotten you, you can't reach out at all despite you wanting to see your friends again doesn't count as torment?

...from my point of view I don't think so. Their Torment is as real as the one of the BBS-Trio.


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ah then, yeah I would think yeah. Maybe they want to be their own person right?

That is indeed a possibility we should consider.
We don't know exactly what the torment all comprises of in Naminé's case, one part is for sure that the real Sora hasn't thanked her from person to person.
For Xion, we know that her torment is comprised of everyone forgetting her and her wanting to be together with Axel/Lea and Roxas again.
Roxas however is the one we nearly clearly know that he wants an own life for himself...it was a big theme throughout all his appearances and he even confirms it (in a metaphoric way) to Data Sora.

So while it is by no means safe to say it's mandatory they come back, the possibility of it has to be considered, as there are also some hints scattered which may point in that direction.
 
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