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If we're talking playable characters I'd actually put Riku as the wisest and Aqua the most magically powerful imo. Riku just feels the most worldly experienced while Aqua's the only one who's a straight up mage.

True, magic wise I doubt anyone compares to Aqua except for the elder masters themselves. I think Riku could be a good influence on her in the sense that he might teach her dark magic and how to control it, assuming he can convince her that darkness isn't completely bad.

And yeah on experience alone Riku probably is wiser. That's one reason why he's probably the best wielder for now, and why I think he'll technically be the "leader" of the guardians of light, even if Sora ends up being the ultimate hero in the end.
 

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I'd have to agree that Aqua and Riku are likely the most powerful with Mickey and Sora trailing right behind. Although the person who was saying Namine actually has a very good point. Her power over memories probably makes her the most dangerous character in the series. But yeah it's really hard to tell. This isn't some Dragon Ball Z power level stuff we're dealing with.
 

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I imagine even Namines frightening power has it's limits. It only works on "Sora and those aligned with him" and even then most of the affects it has on others seems to be as a side affect of altering Sora's rather then them directly.
Sooooo for all we know her power may only really work with Sora.

Of course there is the example of Repliku. He's the only other being shown to have been directly altered by Namine which makes DiZ statement of "Sora and those aligned to him" a bit iffy though I guess you could blame it on the fact they used data of Sora & Riku's memory for it.

I'd imagine if her power was truly that hax or powerful outside Sora that she would've used it to escape or even defeat Marluxia and the other Org members at CO ages ago. (as theoretically she could've just "broke" them the same way she did Repliku)

Either way I think there's unseen and described limits there we don't really know of limiting just how powerful her power might really be.
 

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I imagine even Namines frightening power has it's limits. It only works on "Sora and those aligned with him" and even then most of the affects it has on others seems to be as a side affect of altering Sora's rather then them directly.
Sooooo for all we know her power may only really work with Sora.

Of course there is the example of Repliku. He's the only other being shown to have been directly altered by Namine which makes DiZ statement of "Sora and those aligned to him" a bit iffy though I guess you could blame it on the fact they used data of Sora & Riku's memory for it.

I'd imagine if her power was truly that hax or powerful outside Sora that she would've used it to escape or even defeat Marluxia and the other Org members at CO ages ago. (as theoretically she could've just "broke" them the same way she did Repliku)

Either way I think there's unseen and described limits there we don't really know of limiting just how powerful her power might really be.
Except Nami was altering the memories of everyone connected to Sora. That's why they all forgot about him, and later, remembered him. And if she can do that, theoretically, she could do anything with them. She could've invented new memories for Yuffie that would make her despise and want to kill Leon, etc.

The thing with "why didn't she use them to defeat Marluxia and co" would be, one, most of them likely didn't have hearts, and two, they aren't connected to Sora.

Let's also not forget the immense amount of control she showed in the Data Twilight Town either. Or her actions in Re:Coded.
 

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Except Nami was altering the memories of everyone connected to Sora. That's why they all forgot about him, and later, remembered him. And if she can do that, theoretically, she could do anything with them. She could've invented new memories for Yuffie that would make her despise and want to kill Leon, etc.

The thing with "why didn't she use them to defeat Marluxia and co" would be, one, most of them likely didn't have hearts, and two, they aren't connected to Sora.

Let's also not forget the immense amount of control she showed in the Data Twilight Town either. Or her actions in Re:Coded.

Except that altering wasn't a direct cause on her part. DiZ listed the altering of Soras friends, specifically them forgetting him, to her altering his own.
She had no reason to alter the memories of Leon, Kairi and others and altering that many hearts would only be a unnecessary waste of her time especially when it came time to fix his memory.

Repliku should also lacked a heart of his own when first born but she still affected him regardless showing her powers work on the memories specifically which affects the heart yes but it's not the heart itself she attacks.

Neither Recoded nor TwilughtTown.exe were her using her powers. The false twilight town was entirely stat set up by Diz, even the inhabitants. (Of which he admits surprise off the data replications of people acting a little of from intention)
And Coded had nothing to do with powers at all. The real Namine found memories of others in Sora, copied that into data, made a data version of herself, and placed both in the kh1 Journal.
She never used her powers to alter memory in either case. The only one that would've likely been altered by her was Roxas when his personality did a change as he was hid in the TT.exe and Roxas himself is part Sora due to the nature of his "birth".

So again not that her power isn't frightening or powerful but there are obviously limits and perhaps restrictions we're not aware of because she's never explained in full detail.
Heck even the one being that was "broke" by her didn't even die. Repliku got back up and continued till Riku ended him.
 

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Except that altering wasn't a direct cause on her part. DiZ listed the altering of Soras friends, specifically them forgetting him, to her altering his own.
She had no reason to alter the memories of Leon, Kairi and others and altering that many hearts would only be a unnecessary waste of her time especially when it came time to fix his memory.
I disagree.

Repliku should also lacked a heart of his own when first born but she still affected him regardless showing her powers work on the memories specifically which affects the heart yes but it's not the heart itself she attacks.
It's pretty heavily implied Repliku did have a heart.

Neither Recoded nor TwilughtTown.exe were her using her powers. The false twilight town was entirely stat set up by Diz, even the inhabitants. (Of which he admits surprise off the data replications of people acting a little of from intention)
She altered the inhabitants of DataTown herself. She gave Roxas a new personality. She is shown having an immense amount of control over DataTown (she literally stops time completely, intervenes in Roxas's awakening, etc). Even DiZ said that Nami was completely out of his control. And as CoM and future titles show, there is an extreme link between data and memories.

She never used her powers to alter memory in either case.
Yes she did. It's the only way the data inhabitants have memories and bonds with Roxas, and why Roxas himself has completely new memories and personality.
 

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It's pretty heavily implied Repliku did have a heart.
He did that's why I said, specifically, "at first".


She altered the inhabitants of DataTown herself. She gave Roxas a new personality. She is shown having an immense amount of control over DataTown (she literally stops time completely, intervenes in Roxas's awakening, etc). Even DiZ said that Nami was completely out of his control. And as CoM and future titles show, there is an extreme link between data and memories.

Yes she did. It's the only way the data inhabitants have memories and bonds with Roxas, and why Roxas himself has completely new memories and personality.
No she didn't. Nothing says she did and on top of that your forgetting that DiZ also pulled the freezing time stunt.
Nothing says it had anything to do with her powers all that's mentioned on the matter is:
DiZ said:
Naminé hijacked the data herself. Look what she's done now... She's
totally beyond my control!
No titles do such a thing besides Coded and the link your speaking of was her adding data of herself and the memories she found into the KH1 journal.

The inhabitants of TT.exe were created from the data of the real inhabitants as DiZ mentions:
Ansem the Wise said:
The process of encoding hearts is incalculable. The inhabitants
of my Twilight Town were data created from real hearts. I was convinced that
they would think and behave the way I had envisioned
They vary from his initial intentions but it was still a program made by DiZ to hide Roxas so them knowing Roxas and beings his friends would've been that initial programming.
Nothing says Namine was doing anything to the data people and even if she was doing something there's nothing saying it was her power.

And let's not forget that even if data can come into it's own that it is still data and very much susceptible to being deleted, rewritten or controlled from the computer generating it.
 
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You cared enough to argue it until you had nothing to support your interpretation but whatever be that way.
 

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You cared enough to argue it until you had nothing to support your interpretation but whatever be that way.
I cared enough to make little more than two posts against it. Then realized how little I care what you think and how boring the argument was to me, especially since so much of it is clearly based on a difference of subjective interpretation. I have plenty to support my interpretation. I just don't care to dig through game scripts, and interviews and so on to present it to you just for you to disagree with it anyway. I imagine we both have better things to do with our time.
 

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I cared enough to make little more than two posts against it. Then realized how little I care what you think and how boring the argument was to me, especially since so much of it is clearly based on a difference of subjective interpretation. I have plenty to support my interpretation. I just don't care to dig through game scripts, and interviews and so on to present it to you just for you to disagree with it anyway. I imagine we both have better things to do with our time.

Exactly going through the trouble of two posts just to stop? Hardly, you cared enough about an opinion till it got hard to prove.
Even my own version isn't solid, it's not like I can't see or admit that, since nothing actually says she used a computer.
But nothing says exactly how she hijacked the data in KH2 or how she set up Coded. The fact you consider it subjective only further proves you have no solid evidence either on the matter.

That's an assumption on your part, I've been proven wrong many times in the past and I'm not above admitting I'm wrong if the evidence is solid enough.
Which brings us here, there's simply no proof or statements saying what your proposing, especially that she can use her powers to manipulate data itself.
Data people, sure that's indeed possible if they have hearts and are tied to Sora but there's nothing saying she done this act on the TT.exe inhabitants or that the TT.exe inhabitants had actual hearts to manipulate to begin with.
The digital TT was only around for KH2's tutorial which only lasts a handful of days, the last day of which, the digital inhabitants vanish. (forming hearts takes more than just a handful of days worth of time as we've seen repeatedly over the series)

The one example you gave was a stunt DiZ also pulled giving what credibility it had to being Namine specific little ground and the only other time Namine is mentioned with data outside early KH2 is Coded and all that's said there is she put the data in the journal, absolutely nothing about how she done it.

So if there such statements saying otherwise why not just show them and continue it peacefully instead of just suddenly dropping it?
 
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I agree with that and I would like to see him and Xehanort battle to further prove he's the strongest good character.
 

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Kairi will be the most powerful as she will be able to wield pure light, maybe Ven could become as strong as well.
 

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I don't know about most powerful but I am curious to see how far Kairi's PoH powers go. When fully utilized I doubt they wouldn't at least be strong.
 

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Honestly? I think it's Minnie Mouse.

No, really. Power in the KH universe is based on either personal power, in terms of Darkness, and interconnections, in terms of Light. When Minnie teams up with Sora in KH2, she's able to produce room-sweeping Holy spells, the strongest Light magic this side of Revive from Final Fantasy II. Minnie doesn't know Sora. She's able to pull out the strongest White spell in existence by tapping hands with a stranger.

It's true, she can't easily defend herself against Maleficent in DDD, but Light is strongest when paired with others. I bet if you paired her with another strong Light user that she actually has a bond with, like Mickey, or a group of them, she'd be stronger than the Cornerstone of Light.
 

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I think it's very flexible. I'd argue it's either "Whoever I'm playing as" or maybe Yen Sid, since that guy apprenticed Mickey, and if you've seen Fantasia, Mickey did some crazy shit in that. I shudder to imagine what kind of magic Yen Sid could do, and really want to see it. The guy probably has blood clots or rickets from sitting down all day.

It's not really worth arguing considering the story is improvised game-to-game.
 
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