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Where do you think we go when we die> This question poped up in my head when my Great Gandmother died. We had the funeral today and I couldn't hope but think where will she go.

Please don't give a simple answer like Heaven or Hell because they haven't been proven yet. While dusscionig give your options what you think we will go.
 

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k well...this thread has been redone as many times as i have gotten up for school in the morning....but it is just as simple as u go to heaven or hell...because there is no way to prove it...u just have to know and believe it....someone from heaven or hell isnt gonna come back up and tell ya...
 
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Where do you think we go when we die>
In a box, six feet under. Or, in an oven to put it short.

Oh, you meant spiritually?...
 

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Do you want me to say a 'happy' place?
Shit, we just die. There's nothing to it, it's like taking a really really long, dreamless nap.
 

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you know whats funny? all of you who are saying that when we die we just die, nothing more to it, back to the ground and all? six feet under? yada yada? ....

bet you didnt realize that thats what the Bible teaches. o_O
 

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According to the bible, those who have a new covenant with J-sus Christ will be born again in Heaven. The Torah(sp?) says that to go to heaven you must believe in the Messiah...who we christians believe is Christ the LORD J-sus....

If your great grandmother was not a believer, then she will spend years in hell, until the rapture...when all who are in hell will be given another chance (at least thats what i think it is, i dont remember 100%)
 

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And from my post above... you may ask my proof for my stance?

Where are the dead?

Gen. 3:19: “In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.”

Eccl. 9:10: “All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol [“the grave,” KJ, Kx; “the world of the dead,” TEV], the place to which you are going.”

What is the condition of the dead?

Eccl. 9:5: “The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all.”

Ps. 146:4: “His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; in that day his thoughts [“thoughts,” KJ, 145:4 in Dy; “all his thinking,” NE; “plans,” RS, NAB] do perish.”

John 11:11-14: “‘Lazarus our friend has gone to rest, but I am journeying there to awaken him from sleep.’ . . . Jesus said to them outspokenly: ‘Lazarus has died.’” (Also Psalm 13:3)

Is there some part of man that lives on when the body dies?

Ezek. 18:4: “The soul [“soul,” RS, NE, KJ, Dy, Kx; “man,” JB; “person,” TEV] that is sinning—it itself will die.”

Isa. 53:12: “He poured out his soul [“soul,” RS, KJ, Dy; “life,” TEV; “himself,” JB, Kx, NAB] to the very death.” (Compare Matthew 26:38.)

Are the dead in any way able to help or to harm the living?

Eccl. 9:6: “Their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they have no portion anymore to time indefinite in anything that has to be done under the sun.”

Isa. 26:14: “They are dead; they will not live. Impotent in death, they will not rise up.”

Condition of Human Dead. The dead are shown to be “conscious of nothing at all” and the death state to be one of complete inactivity. (Ec 9:5, 10; Ps 146:4) Those dying are described as going into “the dust of death” (Ps 22:15), becoming “impotent in death.” (Pr 2:18; Isa 26:14) In death there is no mention of God or any praising of him. (Ps 6:5; Isa 38:18, 19) In both the Hebrew and the Greek Scriptures, death is likened to sleep, a fitting comparison not only because of the unconscious condition of the dead but also because of the hope of an awakening through the resurrection. (Ps 13:3; Joh 11:11-14) The resurrected Jesus is spoken of as “the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep in death.”—1Co 15:20, 21; see HADES; SHEOL.

Whereas the ancient Egyptians and other peoples of pagan nations, and particularly the Grecian philosophers, were strong in their belief in the deathlessness of the human soul, both the Hebrew Scriptures and the Christian Greek Scriptures speak of the soul (Heb., ne′phesh; Gr., psy·khe′) as dying (Jg 16:30; Eze 18:4, 20; Re 16:3), needing deliverance from death (Jos 2:13; Ps 33:19; 56:13; 116:8; Jas 5:20), or as in the Messianic prophecy concerning Jesus Christ, being “poured out . . . to the very death” (Isa 53:12; compare Mt 26:38). The prophet Ezekiel condemns those who connived “to put to death the souls that ought not to die” and “to preserve alive the souls that ought not to live.”—Eze 13:19; see SOUL.

Thus, The Interpreter’s Bible (Vol. II, p. 1015), commenting on 1 Samuel 25:29, observes that “the idea of man as consisting of body and soul which are separated at death is not Hebrew but Greek.” (Edited by G. Buttrick, 1953) Similarly, Edmond Jacob, Professor of Old Testament at the University of Strasbourg, points out that, since in the Hebrew Scriptures one’s life is directly related with the soul (Heb., ne′phesh), “it is natural that death should sometimes be represented as the disappearance of this nephesh (Gen. 35:18; I Kings 17:21; Jer. 15:9; Jonah 4:3). The ‘departure’ of the nephesh must be viewed as a figure of speech, for it does not continue to exist independently of the body, but dies with it (Num. 31:19; Judg. 16:30; Ezek. 13:19). No biblical text authorizes the statement that the ‘soul’ is separated from the body at the moment of death.”—The Interpreter’s Dictionary of the Bible, edited by G. Buttrick, 1962, Vol. 1, p. 802.
 

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So I guess that's hell? jokes....

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its odd that all of those are from the old testament......when we die we dont go to the ground...


If you want new testament here you go... but it would tell you this....

2 Timothy 3: 16, 17 : All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.

In other words... the whole Bible is true, and God doesnt change. So if you are going to believe in the New Testament.... you should believe the old testament.

But dont let me just say that. please show me why you believe what you believe in the Bible.
 

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John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only begotten son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish, but have eternal life.


Ok....so eternal life in the ground is what you're saying?

John 14:2
In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you.


our father's home is in the ground? no i didnt think so....its in heaven and J-sus is preparing a place for us...

Luke 16: 27
"He answered, 'Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house"


so what u said about Lazarus is false...

Revalations 4:1
After this I looked, and there before me was a door standing open in heaven. And the voice I had first heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, "Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this."


so heaven is in fact where we go
 

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i'd be glad to...

John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only begotten son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish, but have eternal life.


Ok....so eternal life in the ground is what you're saying?

John 14:2
In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you.


our father's home is in the ground? no i didnt think so....its in heaven and J-sus is preparing a place for us...

Luke 16: 27
"He answered, 'Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house"


so what u said about Lazarus is false...

Revalations 4:1
After this I looked, and there before me was a door standing open in heaven. And the voice I had first heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, "Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this."


so heaven is in fact where we go


Will planet Earth be destroyed in a nuclear war?

What does the Bible show to be God’s purpose regarding the earth?


Matt. 6:10: “Let your kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth.”

Ps. 37:29: “The righteous themselves will possess the earth, and they will reside forever upon it.”

See also Ecclesiastes 1:4; Psalm 104:5.

Is there a possibility that, since the nations show little regard for God’s purpose, they might completely ruin the earth for habitation anyway?

Isa. 55:8-11: “[The utterance of Jehovah is:] As the heavens are higher than the earth, so my ways are higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. .*.*. My word .*.*. will not return to me without results, but it will certainly do that in which I have delighted, and it will have certain success in that for which I have sent it.”

Isa. 40:15, 26: “Look! [From the standpoint of Jehovah God] The nations are as a drop from a bucket; and as the film of dust on the scales they have been accounted. .*.*. ‘Raise your eyes high up and see [the sun, the moon, and the billions of stars]. Who has created these things? It is the One who is bringing forth the army of them even by number, all of whom he calls even by name. Due to the abundance of dynamic energy, he also being vigorous in power, not one of them is missing.’” (The nuclear power developed by the nations is fear inspiring to men. But billions of stars employ nuclear power on a scale that is beyond our ability to comprehend. Who created and controls all these heavenly bodies? Can He not prevent the nations from using their nuclear weapons in a way that would hinder his purpose? That God would do this is illustrated by his destroying the military power of Egypt when Pharaoh sought to stop the deliverance of Israel.—Ex. 14:5-31.)

Rev. 11:17,*18: “We thank you, Jehovah God, the Almighty, the One who is and who was, because you have taken your great power and begun ruling as king. But the nations became wrathful, and your own wrath came, and the appointed time .*.*. to bring to ruin those ruining the earth.”

Will God himself destroy the earth by fire?

Does 2*Peter 3:7,*10*(KJ) support that view? “The heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition [“destruction,” RS] of ungodly men. .*.*. The day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up [“burned (burnt) up,” RS, JB; “will vanish,” TEV; “will be made manifest,” NAB; “will be laid bare,” NE; “will be discovered,” NW].” (Note: The Codex Sinaiticus and Vatican MS 1209, both of the 4th century*C.E., read “be discovered.” Later manuscripts, the 5th-century Codex Alexandrinus and the 16th-century Clementine recension of the Vulgate, read “be burned up.”)

Does Revelation 21:1 (KJ) indicate that our planet will be destroyed? “And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.”

To be correct, the explanation of these verses must agree with the context and with the rest of the Bible

If these texts (2*Peter 3:7,*10 and Revelation 21:1) mean that the literal planet Earth is to be consumed by fire, then the literal heavens (the stars and other heavenly bodies) are also to be destroyed by fire. Such a literal view, however, conflicts with the assurance contained in such texts as Matthew 6:10, Psalm 37:29 and 104:5, also Proverbs 2:21,*22. Furthermore, what effect would fire have on the already intensely hot sun and stars? So the term “earth” in the above-quoted texts must be understood in a different sense.

At Genesis 11:1, First Kings 2:1, 2, First Chronicles 16:31, Psalm 96:1, etc., the term “earth” is used in a figurative sense, referring to mankind, to human society. Might that be the case at 2 Peter 3:7, 10 and Revelation 21:1?

Note that, in the context, at 2*Peter 3:5,*6*(also 2:5,*9), a parallel is drawn with the Flood of Noah’s day, in which wicked human society was destroyed, but Noah and his household, as well as the globe itself, were preserved. Likewise, at 2*Peter 3:7 it says that the ones to be destroyed are “ungodly men.” The view that “the earth” here refers to wicked human society fully agrees with the rest of the Bible, as is illustrated by the texts cited above. It is that symbolic “earth,” or wicked human society, that is “discovered”; that is, Jehovah will sear away as by fire all disguise, exposing the wickedness of ungodly human society and showing it to be worthy of complete destruction. That wicked society of humans is also “the first earth,” referred to at Revelation 21:1 (KJ).

Consistently, Jesus’ expression at Luke 21:33 (“heaven and earth will pass away, but .*.*.*”) must be understood in the light of the parallel statement at Luke 16:17 (“it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than .*.*.*”), both of which simply emphasize the impossibility of the situations presented.—See also Matthew 5:18.

Will the righteous be taken to heaven and then returned to earth after the wicked are destroyed?

Does Revelation 21:2, 3 support that view? It says: “I saw also the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: ‘Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his peoples. And God himself will be with them.’” (Does the fact that God will “reside” with mankind and “be with them” mean that he will become a fleshly Being? That cannot be, because Jehovah told Moses: “No man may see me and yet live.” [Ex. 33:20] Consistently, then, the members of the New Jerusalem will not return to earth as physical beings. In what sense, then, could God “be with” mankind and how would the New Jerusalem ‘come down out of heaven’? No doubt an indication is found in Genesis 21:1, which says that God “visited” Sarah, blessing her with a son in her old age. Exodus 4:31 tells us that God “visited” Israel by sending Moses as a deliverer. Luke 7:16 says that by means of Jesus’ ministry God “visited” his people. [All from KJ and RS] Other translations use the expression God “turned his attention” to his people [NW] or ‘showed concern’ for them [NE]. So Revelation 21:2,*3 must mean that God will ‘visit,’ or be with, mankind by means of the heavenly New Jerusalem, through which blessings will come to obedient humans.)

Prov. 2:21, 22, KJ: “The upright shall dwell in the land [“on earth,” NE], and the perfect [“blameless men,” NE] shall remain in it. But the wicked shall be cut off from the earth, and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it.” (Notice that it does not say the blameless will return to the earth but that they “shall remain in it.”)

Has God’s original purpose for the earth changed?

Gen. 1:27, 28: “God proceeded to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them. Further, God blessed them and God said to them: ‘Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving upon the earth.’” (Thus God indicated his purpose to have the earth filled with the offspring of Adam and Eve as caretakers of a global paradise. After God had magnificently designed this earth for human habitation, making it unique among all the planets that man has examined with his telescopes and spaceships, did the Creator simply abandon his purpose, leaving it forever unfulfilled because of Adam’s sin?)

Isa. 45:18: “This is what Jehovah has said, the Creator of the heavens, He the true God, the Former of the earth and the Maker of it, He the One who firmly established it, who did not create it simply for nothing, who formed it even to be inhabited: ‘I am Jehovah, and there is no one else.’” (See also Isaiah 55:10,*11.)

If no one is ever going to die in God’s New Order, how will all the people fit on earth?

Keep in mind that when God expressed his purpose for the earth he said: “Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth.” (Gen. 1:28) God gave man the ability to procreate, and when His purpose in that regard is fulfilled He can cause procreation to cease on earth.

What kind of people will God favor with endless life on earth?


Zeph. 2:3: “Seek Jehovah, all you meek ones of the earth, who have practiced His own judicial decision. Seek righteousness, seek meekness. Probably you may be concealed in the day of Jehovah’s anger.”

Ps. 37:9, 11: “Those hoping in Jehovah are the ones that will possess the earth. .*.*. The meek ones themselves will possess the earth, and they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.
 

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You have just proven my point even better....the Earth will eventually perish...Do a case study in Revalations....my favorite book of the bible, for it speaks of what is to come. The plagues, the judgement, the rapture, and the redemption...

it should explain everything...
 

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You have just proven my point even better....the Earth will eventually perish...Do a case study in Revalations....my favorite book of the bible, for it speaks of what is to come. The plagues, the judgement, the rapture, and the redemption...

it should explain everything...

I by no means proved your point... the Bible says the earth will remain forever. And as for Revelation... :) hmmm i've studied that book over and over and actually im studying it right now once again. Lots of important information for our days... as the scriptures state we are living in the last days. So all of what is in Revelation will be completely fulfilled soon.... very soon. But i do know our understandings of Revelation are not the same.
 

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see...you're looking at certain passages over and over again....if you look at the Bible as a whole, you could see the answers to all your questions....In the end times the Earth wont perish, but there is a fine line between torture and torture enough to perish, and the plagues will be torture....and there wont need to be an Earth when we rise to heaven...we wont stay down in the ground....You seem to be a strong christian as well but i dont see your beliefs in the same light....can you honestly say we just go to the ground?
 

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see...you're looking at certain passages over and over again....if you look at the Bible as a whole, you could see the answers to all your questions....In the end times the Earth wont perish, but there is a fine line between torture and torture enough to perish, and the plagues will be torture....and there wont need to be an Earth when we rise to heaven...we wont stay down in the ground....You seem to be a strong christian as well but i dont see your beliefs in the same light....can you honestly say we just go to the ground?

I've studied the whole bible over and over and i continue to. I only mentioned revelation because you did.
 
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