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What's everyone's thoughts on the minneapolis riots?



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If you don’t like this message, don’t play their games because they don’t want you as their customer anyways. c:

Also I’m very proud SE took this stance. I wish SQEX Japan also took this stance considering the protests that happened this past weekend over that Kurdish man getting battered by cops.


 

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It's pretty awesome for SE that, beyond riding the trend of the #TuesdayBlackout alongside other video game related companies, they're actually donating and are taking internal steps.

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There was a lot of discussion going on at the company today. Lots of questions posed to HR and to the office as a whole about the need to allow discussion to happen and also the importance of social responsibility.
 

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That's been his strategy lately yeah. He's the president and is pretty much THE top dog of the country. The responsibility of handling covid-19 and the current situation falls upon his shoulders. You can't handle these kind of huge events from state to state, you need someone at the very top who can help them all coordinate or make major sweeping changes to fix what is wrong.

It shows how weak he is. When the going gets tough, he crawls in a corner and whines instead of trying to coordinate and plan. I remember back when Obama is President he'd always be on twitter talking about if he was in charge he'd do this or that and have it all wrapped up in a pretty bow.

Well Trump? You're in power. You have the senate and the supreme court. Democrats in the house will pretty much bend down and lick your boots if you pretend you agree with them. You could be doing all the things you claimed you would do, but no. But you're in a bunker whining about how it's someone else's fault.
This is something so putrid and dangerous about populists like Trump. I don't believe he has any interest in actually doing the job of governing a country or even making the country better, the only thing that matters is Trump's celebrity status and winning elections. And they win by latching onto people's grievances and fears (or those of a large group of the voting population) and focusing purely on negativity and a nostalgia for an imaginary Utopian past. I see this in the UK with Brexit and Boris Johnson too.

A problem with this is that people like Trump and Johnson are so unsuited to actually steering their country through a crisis, and so devoid of a positive vision for society, that all they can do is continue to manufacture grievances while in office. And of course to do this it helps to build up new enemies for their voters to fear, be it foreign countries or minority groups and movements in their own country.

Anyway, I just pray this ends with Trump and his toxic anti-politics being rejected by the American people so people can focuson things that matter, like police brutality and racism, and that things can actually get better and the divisions and inequalities in society can start to be mended.
 

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If the Democrats don't actually make changes while they are in power, there will be another Trump. There will be many more Trump's, some of them even worse than Trump himself.

There's no time for platitudes and promises. We need policy changes that will benefit all Americans. Even the Trump supporters and Karens that were out protesting a month ago about going back to work and needing a hair cut.

If the Democrats keep running on this idea that they're 5% better than the Republicans and therefore, you have no choice but to vote for them, then this country will truly go up in flames. We must remember, BLM started under Obama because Obama did not do enough to bring reform. He let police brutality continue under his reign, he used it to attack Occupy Wallstreet, the home of his donors (and Republican donors too)

It bothers me that through all this mess Biden, the preemptive nominee, is basically missing in action. He literally said, "Let's shoot them in the leg instead of the heart." Oh yeah, Biden, that's SO much better. Pelosi come out replicating Trump with a stupid Bible in her hand. This isn't theocracy, it's a democracy (supposedly). Act like it. You should've used that time to put forth policy changes that will quell all the fear and anger.

The 2020's are either going to be America finally getting it together and living up the "Best country in the world" it keeps naming itself, or we will crumble under the weight of our own stupidity and inaction.
 

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And this is why we need to take money from the Police and Military budget and put it into education.
To be fair, the guy teaching it wasn't the best fit for it. I remember him pushing his views that Bernie Sanders was going to win the 2016 election and that Trump had zero chance of being president. Needless to say, that man was very depressed when he won. Although I am neutral towards politics, I do wish I recorded his reaction on video, it must've been hilarious.
 

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In some sort of related news:


Guy lost to the one of the State's Senators by a 10% margin. Wow.

About the topic of Trump: Donald was the perfect candidate for the perfect moment. Republicans were instilling hate for the last eight years and Trump reaped that sow.

And let's not forget about Cambridge Analytica and how Mark Zuckerberg has no problem demonstrating his bias towards Trump.
 

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In some sort of related news:


Guy lost to the one of the State's Senators by a 10% margin. Wow.

About the topic of Trump: Donald was the perfect candidate for the perfect moment. Republicans were instilling hate for the last eight years and Trump reaped that sow.

And let's not forget about Cambridge Analytica and how Mark Zuckerberg has no problem demonstrating his bias towards Trump.
Hate sells~
 

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Hate sells~
I can't seem to find the study, but I've read that people tend to be generally more vocal about negativity in general, including social media.

Mix in the fact that people already hate politicians, so you have a good formula of spouting hate about a politician.

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Floyd's killer now has a second degree of murder accusation. I think the charges are gonna fall and people will riot even harder. I hope in God Keith Ellison did not do this on purpose to intensify the riots.
 
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Drama is when some people insult each other and start giving out backhanded comments. Drama is when you catch somebody cheating and then lying about it. Drama is when you get people trying to start an argument.

This isn't drama, it's real life, and real people are dying. It's fine to not support the rioting, nobody approves of private property damage, but there is so much more at play here.
Heres my problem with the riots.. .theres always two sides of the story.. .most riots now adays is jsut one side trying to twist their versionh and force it by means of actual force so no one has a chance or choice to have their say.. its a attempt to riup peoples rights away. hence why i class it as drama. Its one sides view of how things should be and everyone else should be foreced to submit to their way of thinking. Its selfish. Some times they have good points.. but most of the time they are theones in the wrong trying to force something wrong to be done.
 

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About the topic of Trump: Donald was the perfect candidate for the perfect moment. Republicans were instilling hate for the last eight years and Trump reaped that sow.

And let's not forget about Cambridge Analytica and how Mark Zuckerberg has no problem demonstrating his bias towards Trump.
Conservative outlets had also been smearing Hillary for the last thirty years as the most evil thing on two legs in preparation for her eventual, inevitable presidential run. Her being the first woman at the top of one of the two major party tickets also suited his particular brand of xenophobia just as much as the party in power having been lead by the first black president was. A lot of average people who don't really pay attention to anything or have many particular policy loyalties always trend towards hating whichever party's in power regardless, so that kind of racist rage worked for that moment in time. Perhaps that's a big reason Biden won the Dem primary in a blowout, because most primary voters realized Trump can't Other a fellow white man the way he did Obama and Hillary.
 

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I live in Canada. Right now we're having some protests of our own (no where NEAR America's mind you). A week ago I would've chalked this up to some critique on Trump and his actions during this event for the next election by Joe Biden. But now, after having the officer that choked him arrested and charged (along with the other three officers on sight), these ongoing protests, examples of continuous police brutality throughout it, looting and riots that I've only seen in text books and VHS (not lumping in protesters with looters), and Trump's continuous fumbling with the whole situation, I can honestly see this actually going one of two ways: 1. Eventually everything will quiet down again and return to the status quo, or 2. Real change happening, which I hope really does happen. What change it will be? I can't say. Big or small? Who knows? But I truly hope that that poor man's death will not be in vain, and will actually become the catalyst for the change that not only America, but the whole world needs for police brutality and the treatment of certain racial groups. I really, truly, absolutely hope that America will emerge on the other side of this as the new leader to a better status quo.
PS I'm not a lawyer nor do I practice any form of law; can someone explain to me the difference between 3rd degree murder and manslaughter? I looked it up, and they're supposed to be the same thing, but some post said that the ex-officers were being charged with both, how does that work?
 
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Conservative outlets had also been smearing Hillary for the last thirty years as the most evil thing on two legs in preparation for her eventual, inevitable presidential run. Her being the first woman at the top of one of the two major party tickets also suited his particular brand of xenophobia just as much as the party in power having been lead by the first black president was. A lot of average people who don't really pay attention to anything or have many particular policy loyalties always trend towards hating whichever party's in power regardless, so that kind of racist rage worked for that moment in time. Perhaps that's a big reason Biden won the Dem primary in a blowout, because most primary voters realized Trump can't Other a fellow white man the way he did Obama and Hillary.
Pretty much this. The systemic polarization of Hillary Clinton's image has been a seed implanted for ever since she was sworn in as Senator of New York.
 

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Okay... I'm aware that I could be banned and hated for even expressing a remotely non-Left opinion; but I felt that someone has to provide an alternative viewpoint.

Black Lives Matter doesn't actually give two shits about black lives: they don't deserve a dime. Do you know how many unarmed African American men were actually shot and killed last year according to the CDC statistics? Right now, 8; but WSJ has their numbers updated to 25 - still not exactly genocide. Meanwhile, they ignore the African American men and women that day in cities like Chicago and Detroit every day because it's black-on-black crime that doesn't help push an anti-cop, "America is fundamentally racist" leftist political agenda. They don't care about America: they care about dividing us among racial, gender, sexuality, etc. and tearing apart what could unite us like a common identity as Americans to play everyone against each other. Their policy agenda is blatantly Marxist and if, I don't know, every socialist country in the history of the world (not the Nordic countries that Bernie keeps pointing towards because a. they aren't socialist and b. it's a sleight of hand since Bernie's policy agenda has more in common with Venezuela, Cuba, and even China than the free-market, capitalist-friendly Nordic countries) aren't convincing enough examples to explain why that's a bad idea, the short-lived, hellish state of Chaz in Seattle they supported should.

The most aggravating part about them is their name: if you try calling them out for their role in stirring up or organizing race riots long before Floyd, then you just don't care about African American lives. I do care about African American lives: I just think that Martin Luther King Jr. is probably rolling in his grave due their rejection of non-violence (even if violence is less of a rule for them than Antifa) and will only create more racists with their rhetoric of how everything bad facing African Americans in America is because of White people. It's a good way to rile up people's emotions so they don't actually look into any of said issues objectively; but not for fixing what's ultimately a cultural issue regarding the jaw-dropping single parenthood rate (bearing in mind that even Obama admitted that the single biggest factor as to whether you'll be success in life is growing up with both parents) and the absurd crime rate; lack of value in education; etc. in those communities following from that collapse starting in the mid-to-late 60s...

...Y'know: after the Civil Rights Act and African Americans and other nationalities getting equal treatment under the law, with racism continuing on a downward spiral (and before you bring up Trump, this post is already going to be big - can do so in another one).

What happened to George Floyd was horrible and no one on any political spectrum would dispute that; but that wasn't a racial issue, it was an incompetent cop issue. And if you're going to make the "all cops are racist" argument, I'll provide the counterpoint that there's a higher percentage of African Americans in the police force than there are in the population - mostly there to serve their own communities. There are bad cops out there who enter the force for the wrong reasons; and I'd be all for doing away with police unions that protect them and revising where the money in that department goes in order to make sure officers get better training; but defunding or outright getting rid of the police force?

@Oracle Spockanort You mentioned diverting that money into education; which does make sense at face value... But throwing more money into public schools in minority neighborhoods doesn't always mean better results. If that was the case, they'd be among the best in the country - especially in Detroit. With Detroit at least, the school board (predominantly not-White) is really corrupt and that money rarely sees improving the educational experiences of the students (which is where it should do); and the teacher's union makes firing bad teachers virtually impossible. School choice might help because if they have to compete with charter schools - which would be godsends to minority communities for the simple reason that they actually have to be good in order to stay profitable - then they'd have to allocate resources more wisely. I would support that and police reform that leads to better policing with money more efficiently spent; if that can be common ground.
 
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I was going to give your post an honest response but then I saw the use of "blacks" and my very black head went spinning.
Sorry about that; some people aren't offended by it and others are. Want me to fix it?

Edit: fixed it anyway. Thanks for catching that. (y)
 
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The movement BLM spawned not just from police brutality, but the systematic prejudice against black and brown people leading to our deaths. BLM started under President Obama because Trayvon Martin was murdered by whatshisface and then he was declared not guilty despite all the evidence stating otherwise. Trayvon had no weapons, he had skittles and AriZona Tea. One of Trayvon's parents lived in that neighborhood, he was minding his business walking home. The 911 Operator TOLD whasthisface, who was not even an official member of the neighborhood watch, to leave Trayvon alone because the police would come instead. Whatshisface didn't listen, confronted an innocent kid, and then shot him as that kid was trying to defend himself.

The message of Black Lives Matter is Black Lives Matter too. It doesn't just stop at police brutality, it's about ending prejudice. It's about addressing systematic racism that leads to the "black on black" crime conservatives cry about.

Quick tangent, every single race on this earth kills each other more than any other race. Why? Because we live next to each other. Our families are of our race and often so are our friends. We all abuse each other. We all rape each other. It's because of proximity, not because of culture or other bullshit excuses.

Here is the data, please read it:

Don't you think it would be ridiculous of me to say, "When are WHITES going to do something about White on White crime? You're KILLING each other more than anyone else!" It's stupid because no shit, every race kills each other more than anyone else!

Back to the message of BLM, as I mentioned, it extends beyond police brutality. Another part of the movement is addressing homelessness and where city funding is going. Here, let me explain to you why cities like Chicago are struggling with violence and how we can fix it. My guess is, you'll be against all these policies that BLM supports to help the issue. But hey, let's see if you actually want an honest debate.

- More funding for education. Year after year, the police get tanks and military gear while SCHOOLS get defunded. That's right, schools across the country are slowing being defunded and more money is being pushed into militarization and in some cases, literally being given to the military. Instead of funding the cops to patrol school grounds, use that money to buy new text books and equipment. Give kids more after school activities so that they aren't getting into trouble. Make schools a welcoming place for students so that from the earliest age possible, they put value in education and their communities. This is what "funding education" means. It doesn't just mean pour money into it, it means you need to start from the ground up and change the meaning of education in the community and make it worth while. Make it safe. Make it fun to do, for the most part. Those Nordic countries you mentioned do this way better than the US ever has. It is why many of them even fund at least two years of your college education if not all 4 years.

- More funding for recreational activities. Related to schools, part of the problem with crimes in big cities is less and less money is going into making the communities vibrant, clean, and interesting. When people are bored, what do they do? They get into trouble. Instead of spending so much money on each cop patrolling the area, use that money to invest in libraries, museums, parks, recreational buildings, walking trails, skate parks, arcades, you name it.

- More public transportation. America absolutely sucks with this across the board. Japan has high speed trains and we've got trains that seem like they're from the 1980's. It is harder for poorer communities to find job opportunities when the don't have reliable transportation. Not only would a jobs program to finally bring the US to the modern age by making a nation wide transportation system boost our economy, but it would benefit EVERYONE to have more options for transportation other than owning a car.

- A jobs program. Another part of keeping people off the streets is giving them something to do. Not menial $7.25/hour, something that will give them security. Minimum wage should be tied to inflation to keep up with the times. This will free up the market for more people to get jobs as right now, all those $7.25 workers have two or three jobs just to pay rent and eat, jobs other people could be working. If we look back through US history, the poor and middle class was doing better when people had job security working at their local factory. They had time to be with their families and didn't worry too much about keeping food on the table. We should replicate this 'great' time in US history by investing in new technologies. This is part of what the "Green New Deal" is people keep freaking out about. Car factories and stuff like that are no more because they've outsourced all the jobs. So we need to create a "new" factory/industrial culture here in the US. What's the next big thing for the future? Renewable energy probably. The US should step up and make it happen because we can.

- Proper attention on housing projects. Have you ever heard of Cabrini-Green? It was a housing project developed in a red lined area in Chicago. At first, it was a very vibrant African American majority area with hundreds of families. There was a strong sense of community and it was thriving. But, in case you didn't know, Cabrini-Green turned into a mega shithole, a shithole of legend. Why is that? Is it because black people are problematic? No. It's because the government cut funding to the project and let it fall into disarray. The buildings started crumbling inside and out. Elevators stopped working. Plumbing got backed up. Electricity outages, the worst. The people living there were not allowed to fix these issues themselves. After all, they were only renting there, it was government properly. The city of Chicago let that place fall to ruin and then used it as an example of why "We just can't be helped, they always break their own stuff. See???" (Most of Cabrini-Green has since been torn down, causing a huge issue for Chicago and the rest of Illinois since all those families had to relocate somewhere else, and in some cases, the bad eggs moved on to "greener pastures")

- Ending ALL discrimination, which admittedly is hard and takes many forms. You say everyone is equal under the law, but did you know that only about... 7 states in the United States has a ban on discriminating against people with afro-textured hair? Did you know that a job can fire black people if they wear their hair naturally in an afro, braids, dreads, and other natural hair styles? Schools can suspend little boys and girls for braids or not shaving their hair down to the scalp. How to fix this? Pass the Crown Act in all 50 states. We can't control how our hair grows out of our head. Imagine being required to put chemicals in your hair, damaging it over time, just so your boss and coworkers aren't uncomfortable from seeing a couple of curls.

Did you know that people with non-white sounding names are less likely to be called back for a job interview even though they might have the same if not MORE qualification as someone who does? How to fix this? Withhold names from employers until they've decided they like all your qualifications enough to do an interview. This benefits everyone because I'm sure this happens to white people with strange names too.

End red lining. People pretend it doesn't exist, but it does. You should look it up as it's complicated to explain, but it's a systematic process of keeping minority groups in "red lined" areas, which of course, receive less funding and care from city governments across the US.

- Require all cops to wear body cameras at all times and if they turn it off, all their testimony is immediately called into question. Another solution that benefits everyone. We the citizens are constantly told we shouldn't mind police patrolling our neighborhoods 24/7 if we aren't doing anything wrong. The same should be applied to them. They are citizens just like us and should not be above the law. It is for their benefit and ours that we ALWAYS have a full view of how they apprehend criminals. If they believe what they're doing is just, then they shouldn't mind a body camera recording their actions. In fact, they should be happy to have it, it will prove them right in court.

- End Civil Asset Forfeiture. Civil Asset Forfeiture allows the police to make up any charge they want and seize your property without the court being involved. Even if the court proves you did nothing wrong, they are not always required to give it back.

"Between 2001 and 2014, law enforcement seized cash and goods worth $29 billion through civil forfeiture."

- Give felons back their right to vote. This one is a touchy subject for some. Even I still debate this one in my head, but I fall more on the side of "If the state is allowed to take away the voting rights of whoever commits a crime, then their objective will be to convict people they don't like of felonies." No one, not even the state, should be allowed to take away your right to vote. Yeah, it sucks that disgusting terrible people would be able to vote in elections, but not every felon is a gross disgusting person. Some were unjustly convicted or are in jail for non-violent crimes. This is an issue that greatly affects everyone, but especially the black and brown community. The people of Florida voted for felons to have the right to vote, but the newly elected governor did everything he could to prevent that from happening. That should tell you everything you need to know. Remember, this is Florida.

- Last but not least, end the drug war. At this point, it is a failed effort. We've been through this rodeo before. If you ban a substance, it doesn't go away. You just give power to terrible people. If we look back in US history during the prohibition of alcohol, who gained power from that? The mob. In Chicago (as you can see, Chicago actually has a history of dealing with violence. And technically way back then, the Mafia (Italians) weren't exactly considered white as ridiculous as that sounds in today's age.)

The way to prevent and protect people from substance abuse is to decriminalize it and focus on rehabilitation rather than punishment. Drug abuse should be handled as a mental and physical health issue, not a crime. Portugal is a great case study on this issue.

It wasn't until recently that politicians started to see the drug war for what it truly was, a waste of time. It wasn't because someone finally talked sense into them, it's because white communities are becoming plagued with opioid abuse. Non-white communities have faced these kinds of problems for decades, but instead of helping them, we were treated like criminals and locked up for life. Now that the crisis is finally affecting their own families, people are finally coming to their senses. But it's not over yet.

The drug war needs to be officially ended. Cannabis should be legalized and studied for medicinal purposes it clearly has. All other drugs, such as opioids, need to be decriminalized and any funding the police had to crack down on drug offenses should be redirected to medical professionals to answer calls for help on drug abuse. Any money the police has left should be used for tracking down violent gangs and drug/sex traffickers.

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Hm, these are a couple of things. It would be great to see you respond to each bolded point one by one. Again, I'm not really expecting you to but I hope you read and understand. It seems like you've been watching one too many of those certain type of youtubers who never actually discuss what Black Lives Matter is about or what they want. Like, nothing in your post addresses anything BLM stands for. You've been hearing white noise and it's up to you whether to actually hear what BLM is saying.
 
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