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yamibakura95

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if he was gonna end up being to scared to use it and play it safe with non elemental attakcs and light magic he wasnt proficient at? Riku's strength was that he overpowered Xehanort and could use dark magic due to sheer strength of heart. But from DDD and on, he threw all that development away. He even lost Way to the Dawn in 3 which was a keyblade symbolizing the fact that he was on the good side despite using darkness.
 

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No, his signature move is Dark Firaga nowand Double Duel which channel darkness to light. that is his point. consume the dorkness, retuirn it to lioght
 

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so he is weaker now?
no he has refocused his efforts. no more is he riku the darkness user. remember he got rid of that in KH2. he can't open dark portals, in fact if he went into the rod without kh3 clothes he would have gotten stomped not because he is weak but because he isn't actually darkness attuned. he shed that dark user stuff. that's been a current them since kh2 back in 2006.
 

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no he has refocused his efforts. no more is he riku the darkness user. remember he got rid of that in KH2. he can't open dark portals, in fact if he went into the rod without kh3 clothes he would have gotten stomped not because he is weak but because he isn't actually darkness attuned. he shed that dark user stuff. that's been a current them since kh2 back in 2006.

but in kh2 all of his mov involved dark magic still...
 

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yes but it was a story plot point that he couldn't open dark corrdiors. even his majesty said you don't belong to the dark realm anymore reku

but he could still use dark firage and during the eterna session limiti he could use a barrage of dark firaga. Also dark shield.
 

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but he could still use dark firage and during the eterna session limiti he could use a barrage of dark firaga. Also dark shield.
And he still can though. As stated before, Riku can still use Dark Firaga in KH3. It's incredibly strong, when analyzing the programmed values for it and is probably his best move when controlling him.
Not to mention that, while not explicitly stated that it is "darkness" element, he utilizes quite a few warp skills such as his dodge literally seeing him teleport via a little dark orb looking thing. Considering the fact that Vanitas (pure darkness) uses warping moves on the regular I tend to feel that it is a somewhat darkness aligned move.

I think it is important to note that in the KH universe there is a very important difference between using dark-attuned abilities and "using the darkness" (or "being used by it" as some might say). While a bit confusing, the first suggests that you are utilizing darkness in the same way you would use an element (ex. thunder surge or fire raid) whereas the latter is letting the darkness, or negative emotions, dictate what attack you are using.

Take the first sparring match between Terra and Aqua for example: Terra was sensing he was at a disadvantage/losing and either out of frustration or desperation, suddenly felt darkness appear in his hand. It startles him, and he corrects it, but it was clearly unintentional and troublesome. Riku, in his earlier days was letting his jealousy, frustration and rage and various things "power him up" which you can see most clearly in KH1. When you fight him in his full hula-skirt dark attire at Hollow Bastion entrance, his attack moves are actually nearly identical to those he was using on Destiny Islands...but they are powered up by these excessive blue/black laser beams of sorts. This is even before he gets "possessed" by Xehanort. Clearly we can see in this case Riku was "using the darkness" as a funnel for his emotions, not using it as an elemental upgrade to his ability.

This is hugely contrasted by how you see him fully actualized at the end of his arc. He has completely different "darkness" element moves that are incredibly powerful but more importantly under his control.

Riku in KH1 could use dark firaga (or something similar), but only seemed able to do so when very angry. Grown-up Riku can use it at will with incredible precision and ease, and doesn't need to be raging out to do it.

This is the difference, and why it was very important and valuable for Riku to come to terms with the darkness. If he continued to use darkness out of rage and anger it would eventually consume him until there was nothing left.

Honestly, if we take the whole "darkness" thing out of it, Riku's journey is actually about a teenage boy going through puberty and trying to navigate all the emotional changes that come with it. The game just added a little fantasy twist to it. Riku being able to understand, accept, and control his emotions are signs that he has matured and made it through that tumultuous period into a better actualized human being. This is what makes him stronger now.
 

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I think a better point would be why we only see his dark attributes in gameplay segments instead of the story.

Yeah. In KH2 Riku used dark firaga during cutscenes but in 3 all he does is swing his keyblad.
 

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And he still can though. As stated before, Riku can still use Dark Firaga in KH3. It's incredibly strong, when analyzing the programmed values for it and is probably his best move when controlling him.
Not to mention that, while not explicitly stated that it is "darkness" element, he utilizes quite a few warp skills such as his dodge literally seeing him teleport via a little dark orb looking thing. Considering the fact that Vanitas (pure darkness) uses warping moves on the regular I tend to feel that it is a somewhat darkness aligned move.

I think it is important to note that in the KH universe there is a very important difference between using dark-attuned abilities and "using the darkness" (or "being used by it" as some might say). While a bit confusing, the first suggests that you are utilizing darkness in the same way you would use an element (ex. thunder surge or fire raid) whereas the latter is letting the darkness, or negative emotions, dictate what attack you are using.

Take the first sparring match between Terra and Aqua for example: Terra was sensing he was at a disadvantage/losing and either out of frustration or desperation, suddenly felt darkness appear in his hand. It startles him, and he corrects it, but it was clearly unintentional and troublesome. Riku, in his earlier days was letting his jealousy, frustration and rage and various things "power him up" which you can see most clearly in KH1. When you fight him in his full hula-skirt dark attire at Hollow Bastion entrance, his attack moves are actually nearly identical to those he was using on Destiny Islands...but they are powered up by these excessive blue/black laser beams of sorts. This is even before he gets "possessed" by Xehanort. Clearly we can see in this case Riku was "using the darkness" as a funnel for his emotions, not using it as an elemental upgrade to his ability.

This is hugely contrasted by how you see him fully actualized at the end of his arc. He has completely different "darkness" element moves that are incredibly powerful but more importantly under his control.

Riku in KH1 could use dark firaga (or something similar), but only seemed able to do so when very angry. Grown-up Riku can use it at will with incredible precision and ease, and doesn't need to be raging out to do it.

This is the difference, and why it was very important and valuable for Riku to come to terms with the darkness. If he continued to use darkness out of rage and anger it would eventually consume him until there was nothing left.

Honestly, if we take the whole "darkness" thing out of it, Riku's journey is actually about a teenage boy going through puberty and trying to navigate all the emotional changes that come with it. The game just added a little fantasy twist to it. Riku being able to understand, accept, and control his emotions are signs that he has matured and made it through that tumultuous period into a better actualized human being. This is what makes him stronger now.

i just expected him to be a bit more confident really. to me, it feels like he is scared of going back to how it was (ansem ptsd) but in KH2, he said something that as long as the battle is still going on he will keep using darkness which was a prety interesting point since he was willing to use darkness for a greater good and he wasnt scared because he knew that the battle with xemnas was to the death.

In 3, he feels more inhibited, like he cares more about his fears than about beating Xehanort. He changed quite a bit as a character. he lost that rebelish attitude he used to have and is more like Sora now which i dont like since Riku overcame harder obstacles than Sora did.

Riku using darkness was wahat seperated from th rest and was a testament to his strenght of character and that even when he uses darkn ess he still has conscience unlike the others.
 
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