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Hello there, I have my own opinion and theory about this. The translation is: "To Roxas, in what way do I appear now?" - Doesnt this mean Roxas should know who she resembles? That he already saw the person she looks like? In the trailer, there is a par, where Zexion shows KH1 Riku to Roxas, couldnt he show him Kairi as well and that would mean that she resembles Kairi now? If not, I vote for Aqua theory, but I just dont know how could Roxas notice who she is....I dont agree with Sora theory - she is of the same height as Roxas, it might not be seen well, but she is, and her mouth and voice is female for sure, and it didnt change a lot in my opinion....And by the way - Riku knows about Xion's true form - He tells her to return into her original form, so I think it has nothing to do with Aqua/Ven theory....he doesnt know anything about them.
 

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Doesnt this mean Roxas should know who she resembles? That he already saw the person she looks like?

Not necesarilly. She could've just changed, and was wondering what she ended up looking like. Alternatively, what impression she left on him now that she's changed.
I don't think she's expecting too much from him.

In the trailer, there is a par, where Zexion shows KH1 Riku to Roxas, couldnt he show him Kairi as well and that would mean that she resembles Kairi now?

Zexion was talking to Riku, and is most likely long gone by the time Roxas actually managed to get to Castle Oblivion. both Riku and Roxas seem to be "replaying" out in front of Roxas, neither actually even seeing him.

If not, I vote for Aqua theory

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but I just dont know how could Roxas notice who she is....

Ven Memories. And again, I doubt she expected him to know who she looked like.

- Riku knows about Xion's true form - He tells her to return into her original form

That was a mistranslation that led a lot of people off.
He tells her to return to the place she belongs to/the place she must return to. As far as we know, he could've told her to return to Roxas and Axel for the time being.
Her "original form" was never mentioned in that scene.

so I think it has nothing to do with Aqua/Ven theory....he doesnt know anything about them.

She's shaped by Memories she received from Roxas, it seems. No one said those Memories had to have came originally from Sora.
 

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LOL, but look at it from the screenwriters' angle: Wouldnt it be overcombined if there would be so much elements from the Birth By Sleep? I dont think that it really is about Birth By Sleep and I would like to ask one thing: Is somewhere comfirmed the theory about Ven's memories travelling to Roxas? Because everywhere I look I see that people take it as canon info, but in my personal opinion, i think its pretty stupid and it makes no sense - Kingdom Hearts story would lose so much from it and it would be really low level story with theory like this (I am a big fan of original game - I think that KH2 is great, but non of the games touched the greatness of the original KH1) As I know, it was nowhere explained how the transfer of memories, hearts and bodies is happening....
 

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LOL, but look at it from the screenwriters' angle: Wouldnt it be overcombined if there would be so much elements from the Birth By Sleep?

No. All three games are related to one another and together form the basic plot line for KH3. They can't just slap all three up to hang in the air and let KH3 tie them together, they need to do that from before.

Because everywhere I look I see that people take it as canon info, but in my personal opinion, i think its pretty stupid and it makes no sense - Kingdom Hearts story would lose so much from it and it would be really low level story with theory like this (I am a big fan of original game - I think that KH2 is great, but non of the games touched the greatness of the original KH1) As I know, it was nowhere explained how the transfer of memories, hearts and bodies is happening....

:V it's taken practically as canon because it adds up with just about everything we've seen here. And the bolded part is why I'm barely taking your lack of enthusiasm with a grain of salt.
KH2 was complete and utter crap, both because Nomura left out the entirety of the plot aside (10% was put in in the FM+), and because Nojima should die.
Ven has relations to Sora and Roxas. Roxas and Ven look alike. Xion looks like an unholy mixture of Aqua and Kairi. Xemnas is a likely relation to Terra. Memories are the main theme in Days.
How would Ven's Memories not tie into this?
 

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this might sound stupid but what if xion didn't change phiscally but mentally and maybe the reason why roxas was surprise because he didn't know it was xion until she took off her hood
 

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this might sound stupid but what if xion didn't change phiscally but mentally and maybe the reason why roxas was surprise because he didn't know it was xion until she took off her hood

Both her render and voice changed from what we usually see to what we see in that scene.
So I'm going with physical changes.
 

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So If the three games are tied to each other according to you - I agree with what i thought first...I dont agree with that thought of memory transfer - it might fit, but come on! Do you really believe in that? Even Nojima wouldnt use so ODD thing...it is too complicated for the story if you think about the situation in KH2 (LOL, I originally wanted to say it is a crap, but you know.LOL...Final Mix was better, but overall it was pretty childish and much softer than original...) when you KNEW all the game that Roxas is Sora's nobody and Sora was VERY surprised (Oh man! Why? They made him totally stupid!)...would this be quite a change of style?LOL

EDIT: Sorry, I wanted to write that the first thing I thought was that Xion is the Unbirth...which would fit into the mythology as well...
 

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So If the three games are tied to each other according to you - I agree with what i thought first...I dont agree with that thought of memory transfer - it might fit, but come on! Do you really believe in that?

:V Sora's Memories transferred into Roxas. I don't need to "believe" in it, it's as good as happened.

Even Nojima wouldnt use so ODD thing...

Nojima doesn't have to think about the details. That's up to Nomura. And Nomura'd go there.

it is too complicated for the story if you think about the situation in KH2 (LOL, I originally wanted to say it is a crap, but you know.LOL...Final Mix was better, but overall it was pretty childish and much softer than original...) when you KNEW all the game that Roxas is Sora's nobody and Sora was VERY surprised (Oh man! Why? They made him totally stupid!)...would this be quite a change of style?LOL

...:V you're using KH2 as an ideal and example again. Stop that.
Going by KH1, and beyond that - CoM/Re:CoM, and seeing how Watanabe's the one writing the scenario, then yes, they would certainly go there.
 

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Actually it is pointless to discuss this because not me and not you would give upo our opinions...I am sure that memory transfer is wrong theory and that it wouldnt be like this. Another thing is that I dont take KH2 as ideal..example, yes, because it is canonical and I dont believe they would return to the KH1 story style. Nomura is killing his own child and screenwriting has gradualy changed and thats wrong, and I think that Watanabe wont change anything...plot twists like this arent even in Final Fantasy and they dont fit the game and I dont believe that the memory theme of days would be like this. Again, it is just a matter of opinion...
 

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Actually it is pointless to discuss this because not me and not you would give upo our opinions..

This I can live with.

I dont believe they would return to the KH1 story style. Nomura is killing his own child and screenwriting has gradualy changed and thats wrong, and I think that Watanabe wont change anything...

Actually, Watanabe writing and Nojima not writing is kind of what ensures us the upcoming games will be different. Look at KH1 where he co-wrote, CoM/Re:CoM where he was the only writer, and compare it to KH2 where Nojima was the only writer.
We're up for some serious improvement.

plot twists like this arent even in Final Fantasy and they dont fit the game and I dont believe that the memory theme of days would be like this. Again, it is just a matter of opinion...

Nomura didn't direct the FF games thus far. He's the one in-charge of KH, however. And again, it's not really a plot twist so much as going along with what they've done thus far, and seem to be hinting towards. Memories mess shit up like that, fact in the series.
 

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LOL, there is still a possibility that Xion isnt tied to Roxas, and either Sora, but to Riku....she might be HIS nobody! As there is no heartless or Nobody of Riku, even though he lost his heart (at Hollow Bastion, where Sora has beated Riku/Ansem)
 

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It has been already firmly established that Riku didn't nor ever will have a nobody or a heartless.
 

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LOL, there is still a possibility that Xion isnt tied to Roxas, and either Sora, but to Riku....she might be HIS nobody! As there is no heartless or Nobody of Riku, even though he lost his heart (at Hollow Bastion, where Sora has beated Riku/Ansem)

I'd love to hear how you'd explain her being female then.
Aside from the little issue, you know, that Riku's Body was never cast off :v he either had his own Heart, or XH "took care" of it.
 

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Oh, okay then.LOL, But to be honest, this is what exactly has killed the story of Final Fantasy VIII...It was never in-game explained...everything is said outside of the game..very well creators...nobody answers the questions in the game..oh my...
 

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In the ending, Riku and the King are on the other side of the door. Why is that?

Nomura: As far as the King is concerned, he was on the other side from the beginning. He disappeared because he went to the world on the other side in order to find one of the two keys. There, he has his own adventure in the same way as Sora. As for Riku, his body stolen by Ansem (Xehanort's Heartless), his heart did not remain in this world. The other side of the door is, just as it appears, Darkness. So Riku's heart went to the world on the other side, that is to say just as Ansem (Xehanort's Heartless) was saying at the end, the world of Darkness. Thus, when Ansem (Xehanort's Heartless) disappears and Riku returns to his original body, he is in the world of Darkness. (Riku returned to his original body, therefore leaving no Heartless or Nobody.)
 

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this is what exactly has killed the story of Final Fantasy VIII...It was never in-game explained...everything is said outside of the game..very well creators...nobody answers the questions in the game..oh my...

Ever thought that could have been on purpose? It leaves the gamers wondering, using their own imagination to come up with their on conclusions. Reason for this is so that the game can live on in the memories of those who have played it.
 

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LOL, But to be honest, this is what exactly has killed the story of Final Fantasy VIII...It was never in-game explained...everything is said outside of the game..very well creators...nobody answers the questions in the game..oh my...

Gotta agree with you on that one, but that's just how things are. Nomura himself admitted at one point to realizing just how badly he screwed up on KH2 when he was working on the novels - hence the FM+, amongst other things. But, we can only hope he'll learn from his mistakes - something I doubt will happen.
 

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Sure, i agree, but if it is from the purpose (which i doubt) why would they explain it then? it isnt purpose..they are repairing mistakes, but they should do it before the releasing of the game, no?
 
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