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What does Birth by Sleep Mean? Thats the Question.



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Yeah Hi. Its me again. I know everyone has rolled this over in their heads. Some of you have even thought of an awnser. Well heres the place to post it! Not what the games about, just why do you think its called Birth by Sleep.
Yeah so this is about what I think "Birth by Sleep'" means. In Chains of Memory, Darkness is Zero, said that, in Reverse Rebirth, to Riku, he had the choice of "going on" or "Staying in Eternal Slumber"
basically, Fight on or Die.
ever thought, what would happen if you had the opertunity to chose the later?
I think in BBS someone makes the choice to stay in Eternal Sleep. Not evem in the same way as it was presented to Riku but mabe, a self sacrifiical way.
Giving up your own life for the greater good.
I think the "Birth" means either some one gets to Live when they were in a life threatinng situation ( like Ven in the secret trailer) or someone IS actually born, which is highly unlikely seeing as no one in the KH universe fits the time frame. I think the "Sleep" aspect means Eternal Sleep, or Death, as in someone gives their life, or even turns Heartless to save anothers life. Put it all together.
Birth by Sleep= Life at cost of Death.

tell me your theries and analize mine.

So, technicaly,(I think that's how you say it:confused:) you're saying that Birth by Sleep actually means Birth by sacrificial death?
Ven's life for Terra's death?
 
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yeah like giving up your life to save anothers. I personally think that Terra is going to give his life to save Ven, seeing as there is no real refrance to him in current KH games.
 

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yeah like giving up your life to save anothers. I personally think that Terra is going to give his life to save Ven, seeing as there is no real refrance to him in current KH games.

Possibly Aqua giving her life for Ven? That would support the Aqua=14th Organization XIII member theory.
Or, what I saw is that Ven tried to help Terra by sneaking up on MX.
But you're probably right,Terra gave his heart to darkness(yellow eyes) to gain more power to overthrow MX to get Ven back. And you all know what happens when you give up yourself to darkness.
Then, maybe, since Terra gave his life up for Ven, the darkness would spare him, like when Riku went to darkness to save Kairi.
I think that Maleficent gave him the power to do so, like she gave to Riku.
 
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The problem is TERRA IS STILL ALIVE. You fight him in KH2 FM+. So unless we're fight a ghost, Terra didnt sac his life for Ven


To quote myself from another thread.

I'm beginning to think that Terra (at least) dies in that battle.
Follow me here for a minute.
While it may not be part of the proper continuity of the KH universe, to fight against Terra in Final Mix you must go through a portal in the Hall of the Cornerstone.
What else can you do there....? Go back in time to Timeless River.
This makes me think that the battle is a memory held by Mickey, or perhaps a time-portal, rather like the trip to the Timeless River.

Think of it as a sort of bookmark in time that Mickey, or maybe just Sora/Donald/Goofy can go back to.
 

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my theory is that the name wont be understood until the end of the game when MX gets his sh** split by terra then DS takes of running like a bit** but terra catches him and splits his helmet and its the "xehanort/ xemnas" that we know. he stole AtW's name and noone noticed, so its possible that he stole MX's name and noone noticed. so him getting his a** handed to him by terra might knock him into a coma(sleep) and he may wake up using MX's name(giving birth to the Xehanort that we know and hate/love)
 

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my theory is that the name wont be understood until the end of the game when MX gets his sh** split by terra then DS takes of running like a bit** but terra catches him and splits his helmet and its the "xehanort/ xemnas" that we know. he stole AtW's name and noone noticed, so its possible that he stole MX's name and noone noticed. so him getting his a** handed to him by terra might knock him into a coma(sleep) and he may wake up using MX's name(giving birth to the Xehanort that we know and hate/love)

LoL
awesome, but then why does Terra disaappear until KH2?
 

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because as mentioned before, its possible that micky fought him. why would micky fight him you may ask, maybe because he only saw the ending of the fight where terra racked his kill count up to 2. how could someone in training beat, well someone who is the shit to put it simple. he snuck him when he was weak from that fight that ven and aqua were dead from/before. that is my theory


edit- not to 2 but by 2. im sure his kill count is up pretty high
 

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i do like your theory. However, the word n00bs luck comes to mind

Anyway Ven and Aqua are done, for the time being. Chances are that if Aqua is in the Room of sleep, Ven is in the fabled "Room of Awakening" Or at least their armor since the rest of them ....got lost (apparently they're big rooms)

the real question is what happened to Terra, Master Xehanort, and Dark Soldier.

Honesty I do beleive that the DS is dead. MX on the other hand and Terra. Somehow ( i dont kno how and I dont want to) i see the lifestream coming into this. (wouldn't put it past SE)
 

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they could throw zack in without the life stream
ex.1 he dies in BbS but he's still in it 'til near the end
ex.2 hes been knocked out somewhere and he wakes up to help cloud fight sephiroth in KH3
ex.3 they screw hi charictor up and do what they did to seiphor(how ever you spell his name from FF8)

i hope for ex.1
 

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damn, this thread is STILL going? Sweet!
I thought my first few treads would wipe themselves out! Nice to see this one lasted this long.
 
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