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What does Birth by Sleep Mean? Thats the Question.



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Twiligan

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Yeah Hi. Its me again. I know everyone has rolled this over in their heads. Some of you have even thought of an awnser. Well heres the place to post it! Not what the games about, just why do you think its called Birth by Sleep.
Yeah so this is about what I think "Birth by Sleep'" means. In Chains of Memory, Darkness is Zero, said that, in Reverse Rebirth, to Riku, he had the choice of "going on" or "Staying in Eternal Slumber"
basically, Fight on or Die.
ever thought, what would happen if you had the opertunity to chose the later?
I think in BBS someone makes the choice to stay in Eternal Sleep. Not evem in the same way as it was presented to Riku but mabe, a self sacrifiical way.
Giving up your own life for the greater good.
I think the "Birth" means either some one gets to Live when they were in a life threatinng situation ( like Ven in the secret trailer) or someone IS actually born, which is highly unlikely seeing as no one in the KH universe fits the time frame. I think the "Sleep" aspect means Eternal Sleep, or Death, as in someone gives their life, or even turns Heartless to save anothers life. Put it all together.
Birth by Sleep= Life at cost of Death.

tell me your theries and analize mine.
 

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For me, I would say it would have to concern Xehaonrt... From what I can see, BBS' main purpose is to: A) Give us a little background... B) Answer some of our questions... C) Give us Xehanort's past...

Xehanort, the one we all know and love, is "born" when his original self "fell asleep"...
So, Xehanort's "birth" was "by" his past self falling a"sleep"...
Anyways, that's what I think...
 

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Hmm. I would probably say Kairi's grandmother's story (canon or not, it doesn't concerns me).

I willing to give credence that that's where the title BBS derives from. Her story depicts the birth of darkness within people's hearts and the true light that sleeps deep within the aforementioned darkness. I believe, somehow, that this story holds some relevance to BBS. That's just me, though...
 
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Perhaps, but i often think that because of the room of sleep Xemnas/Xehanort is able to awaken some of the memories deep within him giving birth to his original self and in his original self would he search for the corresponding room of awakening where he can awaken the powers he had once lost. Or something of that matter
 

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all theories are good,personally, i agree with Twiligan.but i don't think we'll completely understand it before the game is out.
 

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For me personally i think that it means that there is a sleeping power inside terra, ven, and aqua and that they can only really be "born" when they awaken this power and become those three keyblade fighters.
 

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I think that Birth By Sleep means power awakened by slumber.

It could also mean that an omnipotent power is born when one sleeps in another's body(Ven inside Sora)

Another would be that Xemnas is regaining his lost power by sleeping in the room of awakening like Adamus said.

So memory comes into the parts.

so then, regaining memories by slumber awakens hidden powers.
 

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Hmm, Reverse/Rebirth...Perhaps Riku was reborn after coming out of the comfort of sleep? Birth by Sleep? BAH! I don't understand it :)
 

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I think Birth by Sleep is... Like the birth after a long sleep of someone... Maybe MX... He was never alive and always sleeping, until he awoke and KH began...
 

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It dosnt make sense to me that some ''power'' is obtained or awakened, beacuse, there is no refence to such a power in the KH series today. And it is unlikely that it has anything to do with the Room of Awakining and Xemnas together, beacuse well, Xemnas is dead. I supose it could be beacuse Xehanort from the past did something with the room i guess... but by leeping and giving birth to something, it has to be something very signifigant. somthing you would think would be prominat int he series today.

I think that Aqua scrifices herself to save Ven. Turns heartless to save his heart. That would explain the so-called-14th member. But SOME shit causes, ven to tribute himself in turn.

aw **** it. Im just blowin smoke out my ass.
 
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and thats where your wrong Xemnas is gone but his heartless was beaten before him, which means that Xehanort will return, along with the powers and memories he gained as a heartless and nobody if i'm correct.

As for awakening, im basing power off of using a keyblade. We know that MX could wield a keyblade and so could DS.......possible connection that Xehanort himself may have wielded a keyblade at some point in his forgotten life. For example, Xehanorts heartless was actually able to use the Soul Eater keyblade, but this can be identified for the fact that he took over the body of Riku and Manifested his true form through him. He could now hew the keyblade changing its form to baton and using it vigorously.
 

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As for awakening, im basing power off of using a keyblade. We know that MX could wield a keyblade and so could DS.......possible connection that Xehanort himself may have wielded a keyblade at some point in his forgotten life. For example, Xehanorts heartless was actually able to use the Soul Eater keyblade, but this can be identified for the fact that he took over the body of Riku and Manifested his true form through him. He could now hew the keyblade changing its form to baton and using it vigorously.

But, I suppose you could say there is proof that Xehanort weilded a keyblade... The fact that he opened the door at Radient Garden proves that he had to at least be able to weild one...
Also, the Soul Eater isn't exactly a keyblade, but more of a placeholder, so to say...
 

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orignal birth by sleep was Roxas
Sora went to "sleep" (death-kinda) and Roxas was born and became active or it could be all nobodies in general

The only problem with that and all other theories that concern Sora/Roxas/Riku is the fact that the "Birth by Sleep" has to concern the time period of BBS... Otherwise, what's the point of naming a game "Birth by Sleep" if "Birth by Sleep" concerned something 10-11 years in the future...?
 

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i agree with skater nobody birth by sleep definetly refers to roxas. as sora was asleep roxas became = birth by sleep

Except, you know, for this:

The only problem with that and all other theories that concern Sora/Roxas/Riku is the fact that the "Birth by Sleep" has to concern the time period of BBS... Otherwise, what's the point of naming a game "Birth by Sleep" if "Birth by Sleep" concerned something 10-11 years in the future...?

Thusly, BBS reffering to Roxas/Sora/Riku/not the events of BBS (the game)=no go.
 

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The only problem with that and all other theories that concern Sora/Roxas/Riku is the fact that the "Birth by Sleep" has to concern the time period of BBS... Otherwise, what's the point of naming a game "Birth by Sleep" if "Birth by Sleep" concerned something 10-11 years in the future...?

First of all, how Riku fits into this is beyond me.

and the Ven/Roxas thing fits into play and if they're somehow connected it could be more like (Re) Birth By Sleep
(i was not infering that Ven=Roxas, if it sounds that way i dont want it to)
 

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I could have sworn, that Nourma said that the charaters were unrelated.......but I guess that gets slapped down as well. I dont know why you all wont let this Roxas shit die. just beacuse he looks like the mutha****a dont mean shit.

How is a REAL person in ANY way related to a NOBODY. Roxas is a NOBODY. People keep forgeting that. He isnt a PERSON. Ven on the otherhand IS a person. a nobody cant inherit traits from some one other than its orignal body. It makes NO sense why they would be related. Its stupid.
 

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There is obviously a connection between Ven and Roxas though...they're basically the exact same person in terms of looks and even voice, this can't just be a coincidence...looks don't always matter, but when they're such an obvious and notable resemblance like the one Ven and Roxas share, they do.

This is probably related to Sora in some way, since he is Roxas' original self...
 

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I could have sworn, that Nourma said that the charaters were unrelated.......but I guess that gets slapped down as well. I dont know why you all wont let this Roxas shit die. just beacuse he looks like the mutha****a dont mean shit.

How is a REAL person in ANY way related to a NOBODY. Roxas is a NOBODY. People keep forgeting that. He isnt a PERSON. Ven on the otherhand IS a person. a nobody cant inherit traits from some one other than its orignal body. It makes NO sense why they would be related. Its stupid.

Sora = Roxas' orginal self = related

anyway the connector is Sora and it sounds like what i said about reincranation in another thread. Sora= Ven reincranated = why roxas looks that way

but again its just an idea
 
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