Ven=Roxas and MX= Xeanhort theory

[Demon of Dawn]

Okay, heres my theory for why Ven looks like Roxas, and why MX looks like Xeanhort. It all has to do with the title Birth by Sleep. I believe the name is actually refering to a ceremony/spell in which one puts themself in a self hibernation, and in turn, they become younger. A sort of way for someone to be immortal. The only downside is that in being young again, one must sacrifice their memories, leaving them only with slight reminders of their past.

Anyways, I believe that during the final battle, the secret video in KH2 FM+, when MX freezes Ven, Ven realizes that the only way that he can survive after the attack is to use the Birth by Sleep method. As such, he goes into a slight hibernation, and is reborn on Destiny Islands, and is adopted by his mother. Now before everyone starts flaming me for suggesting that Sora is adopted, may I point out that in KH1, we hear Sora's mom, but we dont see her. Is it possible we didnt see her because she actually looks nothing like Sora? Also, we see a scene where Terra is looking at Riku and Sora playing on the beach. What if that scene takes place after BBS, and he is there to see if his friend was still alive? Also, during the Dive into the Heart area, there is a voice that is speaking to Sora. What if that voice is actually Ven's voice, and is reminding him how to fight. Then, when Sora sacrifices his heart, when Roxas is created, the remainder of Ven's existence is then manifested as the vessel known as Roxas.

Next though is Xeanhort. I believe that when Terra sees his friend Ven going into hibernation, he gets utterly pissed and goes into Fatal form, whereby he completely obliderates the DS, and puts MX into a near death state. Before Terra can finsih him off, MX uses Birth by Sleep, escaping Terra's wrath. Because of MX's age though, he isn't born as a five year old like Ven. Rather, he is around his early thirties. It is later that Ansem the Wise finds Xeanhort, and when he asks him who he is, he mentions Xeanhort, since it is the only remnant that he has of his former self. This would probably explain Xeanhorts experiments and traveling through the door to darkness. Ansem mentions how Xeanhort has discovered the DTD, and is speculating how he entered it, if he did. I believe he did, but just like how Sora had Ven's voice tell him how to fight, Xeanhort had MX's voice tell him how to enter the DTD, as well as how to create Emblem Heartless.

Well, thats my theory. Any opinions?

 

[Xerrat]

Anyways, I believe that during the final battle, the secret video in KH2 FM+, when MX freezes Ven, Ven realizes that the only way that he can survive after the attack is to use the Birth by Sleep method. As such, he goes into a slight hibernation, and is reborn on Destiny Islands, and is adopted by his mother. Now before everyone starts flaming me for suggesting that Sora is adopted, may I point out that in KH1, we hear Sora's mom, but we dont see her. Is it possible we didnt see her because she actually looks nothing like Sora? Also, we see a scene where Terra is looking at Riku and Sora playing on the beach. What if that scene takes place after BBS, and he is there to see if his friend was still alive?

Well... the game has been confirmed to have taken place 10 years in the past - which means that Sora was 4 years old at the time. And it seems a little funny to assume that Sora is adopted on the basis that we've never seen her. That's like saying Riku's dad must be Sephiroth because we've never seen his dad.

But yeah, it would appear that Sora had already been born at the time of Birth By Sleep.

 

[gotegenks]

thats a great theory, so what ur saying though is that when he uses birth by sleep or whatever, he is reborn as the age when terra sees him? that makes sense, and its original one of the only theories ive heard that explains that voice, id always wondered what that was. i like this theory alot but for some reason it doesn't seem like its true, cause i mean, if birth by sleep is so instantaneous that mx can use it in battle and so easy, than why do people die? its good though, just think a little more on the process of birth by sleep. one of the most original theories ive seen!

 

[gotegenks]

first off, great theory! it covers up the hole about ten years before kh1 by just saying he becomes younger, and it explains xehanort by saying that they lose their memories, one of the only theories ive seen that explains that voice too! but the process of birth by sleep is a little iffy to me, i mean, if its so instantaneous that mx could use it in battle, then it doesn't seem that difficult, and why couldn't terra attack him, you just don't give enough info on the birthbysleep process, think about that and youw ould have a pretty well put plot.

another thing is you need to try to cover the part when ven says "erase me...yada yada."

if it gets disproved though, you should definitely write it as a fanfic,

err, delte the post above this one, im sorry

 

[gotegenks]

Well... the game has been confirmed to have taken place 10 years in the past - which means that Sora was 4 years old at the time. And it seems a little funny to assume that Sora is adopted on the basis that we've never seen her. That's like saying Riku's dad must be Sephiroth because we've never seen his dad.

But yeah, it would appear that Sora had already been born at the time of Birth By Sleep.

when ven uses bbs, he just becomes younger, not born again

 

[Demon of Dawn]

first off, great theory! it covers up the hole about ten years before kh1 by just saying he becomes younger, and it explains xehanort by saying that they lose their memories, one of the only theories ive seen that explains that voice too! but the process of birth by sleep is a little iffy to me, i mean, if its so instantaneous that mx could use it in battle, then it doesn't seem that difficult, and why couldn't terra attack him, you just don't give enough info on the birthbysleep process, think about that and youw ould have a pretty well put plot.

another thing is you need to try to cover the part when ven says "erase me...yada yada."

if it gets disproved though, you should definitely write it as a fanfic,

err, delte the post above this one, im sorry

thanks for the support. As to answer why it seems so easy, I believe that the use of this ability is only known to keybladers. Specifically, to ones who wish to become a Keyblade Master, sort of a signature of strength, like in Bleach, where you need to learn how to summon the being inside the sword itself. As to why Xeanhort escaped Terra's wrath, if Terra was as pissed as I think he will be, then he would want MX to suffer before finishing him off. That desire though cost him the destruction of Xeanhort though. Still, the erase me thing is a bother. But who knows, maybe like Terra looking at Riku and Sora playing, that scene might not take place at the time we think it is.

 

[OmniChaos]

Okay, heres my theory for why Ven looks like Roxas, and why MX looks like Xeanhort. It all has to do with the title Birth by Sleep. I believe the name is actually refering to a ceremony/spell in which one puts themself in a self hibernation, and in turn, they become younger. A sort of way for someone to be immortal. The only downside is that in being young again, one must sacrifice their memories, leaving them only with slight reminders of their past.

Kind of a stretch...

Anyways, I believe that during the final battle, the secret video in KH2 FM+, when MX freezes Ven, Ven realizes that the only way that he can survive after the attack is to use the Birth by Sleep method. As such, he goes into a slight hibernation, and is reborn on Destiny Islands, and is adopted by his mother.

The only thing is, shouldn't Ven look more like Roxas then become someone like Sora...?

Now before everyone starts flaming me for suggesting that Sora is adopted, may I point out that in KH1, we hear Sora's mom, but we dont see her. Is it possible we didnt see her because she actually looks nothing like Sora?

That's like saying magical pink unicorns exsist just because we can't see them... =o

Also, we see a scene where Terra is looking at Riku and Sora playing on the beach. What if that scene takes place after BBS, and he is there to see if his friend was still alive?

Except Sora was alive during BBS...

Next though is Xeanhort. I believe that when Terra sees his friend Ven going into hibernation, he gets utterly pissed and goes into Fatal form, whereby he completely obliderates the DS, and puts MX into a near death state.

For some reason I don't think Terra would be able to muster enough strength to take out DS and MX... I mean, have you seen the secret ending...? MX and DS completely and utterly rape VAT...

Before Terra can finsih him off, MX uses Birth by Sleep, escaping Terra's wrath. Because of MX's age though, he isn't born as a five year old like Ven. Rather, he is around his early thirties. It is later that Ansem the Wise finds Xeanhort, and when he asks him who he is, he mentions Xeanhort, since it is the only remnant that he has of his former self. This would probably explain Xeanhorts experiments and traveling through the door to darkness. Ansem mentions how Xeanhort has discovered the DTD, and is speculating how he entered it, if he did. I believe he did, but just like how Sora had Ven's voice tell him how to fight, Xeanhort had MX's voice tell him how to enter the DTD, as well as how to create Emblem Heartless.

The only problem with this is that there is evidence that points to DS being apart of Xehanort...

 

[Demon of Dawn]

Kind of a stretch...

This is just a theory I had. I doubt that this would happen. It would be interseting if it did though



The only thing is, shouldn't Ven look more like Roxas then become someone like Sora...?

We dont know what Ven looked like when he was younger. He may have looked like Sora, and changed his hairstyle when he got older. Since Sora has his own personality though now, I guess he descides to keep it.



That's like saying magical pink unicorns exsist just because we can't see them... =o

Its just something to consider. It might not mean anything, or it might mean something important.



Except Sora was alive during BBS...

I mentioned that this scene takes place AFTER BBS.



For some reason I don't think Terra would be able to muster enough strength to take out DS and MX... I mean, have you seen the secret ending...? MX and DS completely and utterly rape VAT...

Hence FATAL FORM. It has been mentioned before in interviews and magazines as a state in which Terra becomes stronger, faster, and deadlier than before.

 

[Gabo]

That's kind of stretching it a lot though...
Like a whole lot.
I'm sorry, but I really can't agree with anything you're saying here.

 

[Essence of Elegy]

I believe the name is actually refering to a ceremony/spell in which one puts themself in a self hibernation, and in turn, they become younger. A sort of way for someone to be immortal. The only downside is that in being young again, one must sacrifice their memories, leaving them only with slight reminders of their past.

That's more guessing than actual theorizing. There is no evidence, it's just what you think. Still, it's an interesting idea.

Anyways, I believe that during the final battle, the secret video in KH2 FM+, when MX freezes Ven, Ven realizes that the only way that he can survive after the attack is to use the Birth by Sleep method. As such, he goes into a slight hibernation, and is reborn on Destiny Islands, and is adopted by his mother. Now before everyone starts flaming me for suggesting that Sora is adopted, may I point out that in KH1, we hear Sora's mom, but we dont see her. Is it possible we didnt see her because she actually looks nothing like Sora?

More guessing.

Also, we see a scene where Terra is looking at Riku and Sora playing on the beach. What if that scene takes place after BBS, and he is there to see if his friend was still alive?

I thought that too and it might be possible.

Also, during the Dive into the Heart area, there is a voice that is speaking to Sora. What if that voice is actually Ven's voice, and is reminding him how to fight.

I don't think so. The voice seemed much more powerful. "Power sleeps within you," says the Voice. That douesn't sound much like a teenager.

Then, when Sora sacrifices his heart, when Roxas is created, the remainder of Ven's existence is then manifested as the vessel known as Roxas.

This has been said many times already.

Next though is Xeanhort. I believe that when Terra sees his friend Ven going into hibernation, he gets utterly pissed and goes into Fatal form, whereby he completely obliderates the DS, and puts MX into a near death state. Before Terra can finsih him off, MX uses Birth by Sleep, escaping Terra's wrath. Because of MX's age though, he isn't born as a five year old like Ven. Rather, he is around his early thirties. It is later that Ansem the Wise finds Xeanhort, and when he asks him who he is, he mentions Xeanhort, since it is the only remnant that he has of his former self. This would probably explain Xeanhorts experiments and traveling through the door to darkness. Ansem mentions how Xeanhort has discovered the DTD, and is speculating how he entered it, if he did. I believe he did, but just like how Sora had Ven's voice tell him how to fight, Xeanhort had MX's voice tell him how to enter the DTD, as well as how to create Emblem Heartless.

Again you're basing your entire theory on just your opinion. No back up.