Unbirths, remants of their previous self.

[Master Riku 789]

O'k it seems that memory is more important than we thought. So if memory was to take on a physical form, then would'nt be a remant of whoever it was a memory of. A creature that was'nt meant to be born but now is. A remant. I think the guy in coded might be Xehanort's forgotten Memory taken on a physical form. IU also beleive that Namine is the same type of being. They are Remants of Xehanort and Kairi. So I think unbirths are memories given a form via darkness, basically remants.

 

[Malevolence]

Kairi's.... I don't think so.

 

[Stars]

I do believe Unbirths are memories....

 

[Iridium]

The being in Coded is data along with the other environments.
And as data you can say they are memories of a sort.

But Namine is just a special nobody, as said by Nomura and the Ansems reports. And the Organization member is not confirmed as Xehanort or his nobody Xemnas. And it would be paradoxical for Xehanort to exist in Coded to begin with. With memories being prominent in KH in general and a lot more in BBS it's plausible that they are comprised of memories.

I'll believe that once we get the solid ok when the game comes out.

 

[Pinwheel]

Proof memories can take on physical form? Even if they could, Sora's memories could've leaked out, causing the I-Saw-Namine-taking-a-shower- person. Anybody could leak these out, it's obvious, so it is no matter.
P.S. The man in Coded is most likely whole Xehanort.
Edit: Sorry, I misread parts of your post. I'll take a FEW parts that some things are likely.

 

[Key of Valor]

All I can say about this idea is that it is possible,
maybe not likely, but possible. Only reason it's
some-what unlikely is because there's not much
to really support this idea. Not to mention why
would Kairi produce an Unbirth, why doesn't
everyone else produce an Unbirth, why does
Kairi's Unbirth have human form, why are fewer
Unbirths born, why does Xehanort produce an
Unbirth, why is his Unbirth in human form...etc.

But yeah, nothing I can think of would strongly
disprove this, so as of now it could possibly be true.

 

[Master Riku 789]

This was just an Idea, since memories seem to be more important now than they were previously.

 

[Smile]

But Namine is just a special nobody, as said by Nomura and the Ansems reports.

Because it'd be pretty damn hard for him to come out and call her an Unbirth, don't you think? He called her a Nobody that all but lacks each and every single attribute of a Nobody, but was born from the general process of a Nobody's birth (in our case - Roxas's birth).
I think that qualifies as her not being just a special Nobody, possibly. It's just that they had no other title for her.

Also, to the thread poster -

http://forums.khinsider.com/future-kingdom-hearts/114956-namine-s-origin.html
I beat you to it :laugh: a long while ago

 

[Key of Valor]

Actually, Namine may very well have all she
needs to be a Nobody. Ansem said himself she
may have been composed of Sora's vessel.

But I guess that doesn't
necessarily have to be true.

And Roxas was called a special nobody too.

 

[Smile]

ah, you and your silly ideas again.
for the last time, the girl returned to Kairi. Figure the rest out on your own.

 

[Key of Valor]

Come on now, I'm not enforcing my ideas as right and yours as wrong.
No need to be unreasonable, I sent you a pm asking for peace between us.

Besides, each time I respond with logic, you refuse to answer.
We could continue to debate if you want, but don't provoke
something you don't want to finish.

But there is no need to argue here.
This thread should be kept on topic.

 

[Byronic Hero]

Actually, Namine may very well have all she
needs to be a Nobody. Ansem said himself she
may have been composed of Sora's vessel.

But I guess that doesn't
necessarily have to be true.

And Roxas was called a special nobody too.

So you are saying that AtW did not know what he was talking about?

 

[Key of Valor]

I think Ansem knew exactly what he was
talking about. His epithet was 'the Wise'
so one would expect him to be correct in
his theorizing. Not to mention, Namine
being composed of Sora's vessel would
make a great deal of sense.

 

[Aqua.]

thats what i was thinking, cuz the unbirth symbol looks like those memory cards from COM..

 

[Smile]

KoV, AtW said Namine was made of nothing and had all but no property of a Nobody.
Also, seeing how he wanted not only for Sora to wake up but to have his strength back, had Namine really been compromised of half of Sora - as he described Roxas as - I think he'd have been more intent on bringing her back to Sora instead of erasing her.
He'd be shooting himself in the leg if anything you were saying was right.

 

[keybladelegacy]

O'k it seems that memory is more important than we thought. So if memory was to take on a physical form, then would'nt be a remant of whoever it was a memory of. A creature that was'nt meant to be born but now is. A remant. I think the guy in coded might be Xehanort's forgotten Memory taken on a physical form. IU also beleive that Namine is the same type of being. They are Remants of Xehanort and Kairi. So I think unbirths are memories given a form via darkness, basically remants.

Your saying memories can take on form,that's a possibility but none of your example support your idea. The person in coded was most likely in the data world because all the organization members were defeated in kh2.Unless the whole defeating the heartless and a nobody the person will become whole, thing is true. Anyway Namine is a nobody. Namine was born in castle obilivion so the process of a nobody took place in Kh1.How could it be possible that kairi memory took form? If kairi memory took form couldnt everyones do the same?

 

[Key of Valor]

KoV, AtW said Namine was made of nothing and had all but no property of a Nobody.
Also, seeing how he wanted not only for Sora to wake up but to have his strength back, had Namine really been compromised of half of Sora - as he described Roxas as - I think he'd have been more intent on bringing her back to Sora instead of erasing her.
He'd be shooting himself in the leg if anything you were saying was right.

Like always SA, I think your theories are logical
and possible, but I personally don't agree with
them because of a particular concept that you
and I have different views on, this concept being
Sora's state of existance when he came back
from being a Shadow Heartless.

If I too believed that Sora was a human-like
Heartless, my theory would be illogical and fall
apart. However I think Sora obtained a new
vessel when he came back from being a Heartless,
so based on this assumption my theory retains
its logic.

Both scenarios concerning Sora's existance are
possible but after observing the concept as a whole,
I personally do believe that Sora obtained a new
vessel, and I could name a list of reasons why I
think this but...

I don't want to get this thread anymore off topic...

Maybe we could continue this
in a thread about Sora reverting
from being a Shadow Heartless.

had Namine really been compromised of half of Sora - as he described Roxas as

I will say this though, Ansem didn't say Roxas was composed of half of Sora,
never once did Ansem describe Roxas' composition, he did however say that
Roxas was half of Sora, that statement could imply a number of things.

 

[oblivion_key]

I think an unbirth could be what happens 2 someone's memory after they turn into a heartless, but the nobody doesn't have any memory. like roxas didn't have any memory.

 

[Key of Valor]

Well Unbirths exist before Heartless and Nobodies
so Unbirths can't be the by-products dependent on
the creation of Heartless and Nobodies.

 

[shadowred3]

i think unbirths are people that were suppose to be born but were somehow artifishaly born befor they were suppose to. so they technically werent really born