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The theory I'm about to post is one I discussed with Sephiroth. Seeing his response to it definitely inspired me to share it here so here it goes.
Now on the previous Marluxia theory post has gotten me so involved and interested in the subject that I devised a little theory and after talking it out with you guys some more, have definitely figured out the True Org. XIII seating pattern Nomura mentioned in his DDD Ultimania interview.
Now he mentioned a "everyone being seated properly even regarding people who didn't show up in DDD" and "the hooded figures are familiar characters."
So onto my theory on the seating. Notice the pattern as we see it in seating numbers? Two hooded figures between Xigbar and Saix(who's the only revealed member of the old group still in his old seat strangely) and four hooded figures between Saix and YX? Why such an awkward set of blanks? Because if you use the people who barely or played no role or appearance in DDD then you could fit in who should be sitting in each appropriate seat. Like how the old Org's seating was built on who was picked up and joined first. The new Org would be on who got norted first. It's why there's an awkward set of blanks between Xigbar and Saix because those two would have been norted a year or so apart if Saix really did get Norted when he was young. Now who could have been norted after Xigbar and before Saix? Vanitas and Terranort.
Note we never actually know when Vanitas got infected by MX's heart. All we deduced because of his yellow Xehanort eyes that was revealed at the climax of BBS, that the Nortification happened sometime between his birth to the big clash with TAV at KG. It could have literally been at anytime since not once did Vanitas take off his helmet for the viewers to see prior to the big reveal so we wouldn't know if he had the yellow eyes from the beginning. The games and even the novels make no mention on MX sharing a piece of his heart with Vanitas years prior to BBS. Yet we merely assumed Nortification just had to have happened at his birth but I do have a theory on when he may have done so. Remember Xehanort wanted the X-Blade forged and to use said power to open Kingdom Hearts. Now do we think he'd be comfortable having someone like Vanitas wield such power by himself? Of course not. Vanitas is unpredictable and dangerous. He knows this. Vanitas is also reckless as he wanted to start a ruckus at the beginning with "breaking Ven in" which MX scolded him for such a suggestion. Also, he was going to off Ventus even though MX still needed him for the plan. Vanitas even acknowledged this yet didn't care. That dangerous attitude surely wouldn't slide past a man like MX. So with abilities as a Keyblade Master, he could spread a piece of his heart into another person and use them as a vessel. But at the time, he didn't have much "practice" using such an ability so he didn't want to do so until he was sure of it's value. Even for taking Terra's body. So that's where Braig comes in. He'd use him as not only an accomplice but as the first to test out his Nortification trick then after Braig proved to be a success, he was confident on his plan to take Terra's body and keep Vanitas on check when the time comes. So when Vanitas and Aqua duke it out in Neverland and both end up knocking each other out, MX found the perfect time to snag Vanitas and take him off to be given the "Nort". Notice how Vanitas just "disappears" after Aqua wakes up? If Vanitas himself had woken up, don't you think he'd finish Aqua off right there and then like he intended to? Vanitas is ruthless. He even attacked Aqua later on when her guard was down so why wouldn't have taken the chance to off her then in Neverland if he woke up first? It's simple. He didn't wake up but was taken away by MX. Notice how next we see Vanitas, he's goading Ventus to hurry up and forge the X-blade? And then does so afterwards when they meet in KG? And then coincidentally that's when we see Vanitas' face which shows off the Xehanort eyes close up like Braig's did.
So it basically what I'm theorizing is that Braig would technically be the first seeded vessel of Xehanort's which explain why he sits at Number IV now after the main 3 Xehanorts besides his role as his accomplice. Then Vanitas, MX's student, would then be sitting at Number V since he got Norted after Braig did. Then Terra(nort) who gets norted after that so he'd sit perfectly at Number VI right before Saix/Isa who wouldn't get norted until afterwards possibly even before he became a Nobody. Meaning while he was still the young Isa.
And there's some unintended irony to this since Braig/Xigbar would be sitting inbetween his two main partners in crime after MX. To his left, would sit his partner in crime who in their Nobody lives, tricked the old Org XIII into becoming Xehanort vessels aka Xemnas. And to his right, would sit his partner in crime who in their apprentice years, manipulated the other apprentices and Ansem The Wise into conducting dangerous experiments with the Heartless and endangering the people of the town aka Terranort/Apprentice Xehanort.
On how Vanitas could be sitting in a throne right now and how he was sitting in one when they all gathered at TWTNW to welcome MX and the 13th vessel, well we know that his presence is definitely still out there as YX and Ventus proved. In my theory, YX who may have been carrying his heart, then with the help of Ansem SOD or another Nort, had Vanitas project some sort of "temporary shell" like a ghostly figure in a Org XIII hood basically. We didn't get to see any of the hooded figures move about or do anything so it's not a completely absurd idea to point out. Vanitas would simply be what Ansem SOD was before acquiring a body through Riku, a heart projecting some "ghostly shell" hidden inside a hood aka Brown Robe guy. Except it's Vanitas inside the Org XIII robe until MX gets him a body before the big clash in KHIII with the 7 Lights. And maybe some irony that Vanitas would be sitting right next to Ansem SOD who was basically in a similar situation as him with the lack of body and all.
As for the rest of them after Saix and YX, I think Hiro made a well founded point on who they'd be and if his theory and implications work well, then we could see Demyx, Luxord, Marluxia and Larxene take those next seats since they'd then be seated properly since not only do they more or less retain their order number but they'd be norted after Saix/Isa. And we have no idea when all these vessels after Saix was norted anyway so we could possibly assume that they could have been norted somewhere between their recompletion and when they went off to make plans to get their 13th vessel in DDD or during DDD since we don't know where they are and for that fact where Terranort is and if we factor in that he may have been the one responsible for norting Isa/Saix, he may have done so to the others after they got brought back. Then they might have been taken just like Braig and Isa like Nomura hinted at in the DDD interview.
So all in all, this is basically my theory on the long run on how the seating truly works. That would only leave the 13th seat up for grabs and whoever this person would be, it would definitely be a surprise. My "little" theory turned out to be one big rambling session at the end lol. ^.^
Edit: Removed the Ansem bit on DDD since he did have a journal entry and I forgot about it.... again. Thanks Sephy! >.<
Now on the previous Marluxia theory post has gotten me so involved and interested in the subject that I devised a little theory and after talking it out with you guys some more, have definitely figured out the True Org. XIII seating pattern Nomura mentioned in his DDD Ultimania interview.
Now he mentioned a "everyone being seated properly even regarding people who didn't show up in DDD" and "the hooded figures are familiar characters."
—We’re intrigued as to who the Xehanorts will use to replace Sora as the 13th Darkness.
Nomura: I left that a mystery in order to intrigue you all, of course. It’s unclear who about half of the other twelve are too, seeing as they didn’t come out from under their black coats, so I would love for you to try thinking about their true identities. It’s all set up properly who is sitting in each seat, even regarding people who didn’t show up in the scenario of this title
Now if we count in original characters who didn't show up in DDD nor had a journal entry we'd have: Demyx, Luxord, Marluxia, Larxene, Terranort, Eraqus, Repliku, HPO and even Vanitas while he may have shown up for a split second, he strangely didn't have a journal entry and wasn't mentioned at all afterward. But besides him, the other people mentioned we didn't hear anything about them. Hell we don't even know what's going on with them including Vanitas. HPO could almost immediately be crossed off since we know they're still at Twilight Town and obviously couldn't be Norts. So it would leave us with Demyx, Luxord, Marluxia, Larxene, Terranort, Eraqus, Repliku and Vanitas as the only ones with no real alibis as of DDD. Repliku may still be dead and Eraqus may still reside in Terra. But the thing is we're not very sure anymore as of now. Hirokey was on to something indeed when he brought this up.--Are there also familiar characters?
Nomura: There are many familiar characters. However, fundamentally who they are is still a secret.
So onto my theory on the seating. Notice the pattern as we see it in seating numbers? Two hooded figures between Xigbar and Saix(who's the only revealed member of the old group still in his old seat strangely) and four hooded figures between Saix and YX? Why such an awkward set of blanks? Because if you use the people who barely or played no role or appearance in DDD then you could fit in who should be sitting in each appropriate seat. Like how the old Org's seating was built on who was picked up and joined first. The new Org would be on who got norted first. It's why there's an awkward set of blanks between Xigbar and Saix because those two would have been norted a year or so apart if Saix really did get Norted when he was young. Now who could have been norted after Xigbar and before Saix? Vanitas and Terranort.
Note we never actually know when Vanitas got infected by MX's heart. All we deduced because of his yellow Xehanort eyes that was revealed at the climax of BBS, that the Nortification happened sometime between his birth to the big clash with TAV at KG. It could have literally been at anytime since not once did Vanitas take off his helmet for the viewers to see prior to the big reveal so we wouldn't know if he had the yellow eyes from the beginning. The games and even the novels make no mention on MX sharing a piece of his heart with Vanitas years prior to BBS. Yet we merely assumed Nortification just had to have happened at his birth but I do have a theory on when he may have done so. Remember Xehanort wanted the X-Blade forged and to use said power to open Kingdom Hearts. Now do we think he'd be comfortable having someone like Vanitas wield such power by himself? Of course not. Vanitas is unpredictable and dangerous. He knows this. Vanitas is also reckless as he wanted to start a ruckus at the beginning with "breaking Ven in" which MX scolded him for such a suggestion. Also, he was going to off Ventus even though MX still needed him for the plan. Vanitas even acknowledged this yet didn't care. That dangerous attitude surely wouldn't slide past a man like MX. So with abilities as a Keyblade Master, he could spread a piece of his heart into another person and use them as a vessel. But at the time, he didn't have much "practice" using such an ability so he didn't want to do so until he was sure of it's value. Even for taking Terra's body. So that's where Braig comes in. He'd use him as not only an accomplice but as the first to test out his Nortification trick then after Braig proved to be a success, he was confident on his plan to take Terra's body and keep Vanitas on check when the time comes. So when Vanitas and Aqua duke it out in Neverland and both end up knocking each other out, MX found the perfect time to snag Vanitas and take him off to be given the "Nort". Notice how Vanitas just "disappears" after Aqua wakes up? If Vanitas himself had woken up, don't you think he'd finish Aqua off right there and then like he intended to? Vanitas is ruthless. He even attacked Aqua later on when her guard was down so why wouldn't have taken the chance to off her then in Neverland if he woke up first? It's simple. He didn't wake up but was taken away by MX. Notice how next we see Vanitas, he's goading Ventus to hurry up and forge the X-blade? And then does so afterwards when they meet in KG? And then coincidentally that's when we see Vanitas' face which shows off the Xehanort eyes close up like Braig's did.
So it basically what I'm theorizing is that Braig would technically be the first seeded vessel of Xehanort's which explain why he sits at Number IV now after the main 3 Xehanorts besides his role as his accomplice. Then Vanitas, MX's student, would then be sitting at Number V since he got Norted after Braig did. Then Terra(nort) who gets norted after that so he'd sit perfectly at Number VI right before Saix/Isa who wouldn't get norted until afterwards possibly even before he became a Nobody. Meaning while he was still the young Isa.
And there's some unintended irony to this since Braig/Xigbar would be sitting inbetween his two main partners in crime after MX. To his left, would sit his partner in crime who in their Nobody lives, tricked the old Org XIII into becoming Xehanort vessels aka Xemnas. And to his right, would sit his partner in crime who in their apprentice years, manipulated the other apprentices and Ansem The Wise into conducting dangerous experiments with the Heartless and endangering the people of the town aka Terranort/Apprentice Xehanort.
On how Vanitas could be sitting in a throne right now and how he was sitting in one when they all gathered at TWTNW to welcome MX and the 13th vessel, well we know that his presence is definitely still out there as YX and Ventus proved. In my theory, YX who may have been carrying his heart, then with the help of Ansem SOD or another Nort, had Vanitas project some sort of "temporary shell" like a ghostly figure in a Org XIII hood basically. We didn't get to see any of the hooded figures move about or do anything so it's not a completely absurd idea to point out. Vanitas would simply be what Ansem SOD was before acquiring a body through Riku, a heart projecting some "ghostly shell" hidden inside a hood aka Brown Robe guy. Except it's Vanitas inside the Org XIII robe until MX gets him a body before the big clash in KHIII with the 7 Lights. And maybe some irony that Vanitas would be sitting right next to Ansem SOD who was basically in a similar situation as him with the lack of body and all.
As for the rest of them after Saix and YX, I think Hiro made a well founded point on who they'd be and if his theory and implications work well, then we could see Demyx, Luxord, Marluxia and Larxene take those next seats since they'd then be seated properly since not only do they more or less retain their order number but they'd be norted after Saix/Isa. And we have no idea when all these vessels after Saix was norted anyway so we could possibly assume that they could have been norted somewhere between their recompletion and when they went off to make plans to get their 13th vessel in DDD or during DDD since we don't know where they are and for that fact where Terranort is and if we factor in that he may have been the one responsible for norting Isa/Saix, he may have done so to the others after they got brought back. Then they might have been taken just like Braig and Isa like Nomura hinted at in the DDD interview.
--Xigbar and Saix appeared as members of Organisation XIII. Did they return as humans like Lea and the others?
Nomura: The conditions of becoming a human have been met, so you’d think they had returned, wouldn’t you? For them to have been with Xehanort and the others, perhaps they were collected after they had become humans and before Lea and the others woke up. You could say the same for the members of Organisation XIII that didn’t appear in this title, however… I’d rather everyone use their imaginations.
So all in all, this is basically my theory on the long run on how the seating truly works. That would only leave the 13th seat up for grabs and whoever this person would be, it would definitely be a surprise. My "little" theory turned out to be one big rambling session at the end lol. ^.^
Edit: Removed the Ansem bit on DDD since he did have a journal entry and I forgot about it.... again. Thanks Sephy! >.<
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