The Secret of Castle Oblivion

[WilliamTheWise]

it was vens heart.The last one MX needed to summon the kh.Speculation?yes.

But we just saw Ven frozen and threwn off a cliff. How did MX get his heart if he was so far away?

 

[Laz]

But we just saw Ven frozen and threwn off a cliff. How did MX get his heart if he was so far away?

Really?cuz MX grabbed ven with one hand, froze him, threw him off the cliff.Then out nowhere he gets that dark ball.It was vens heart.If not, why didnt he summon the kh b4?

 

[Izayoi]

But we just saw Ven frozen and threwn off a cliff. How did MX get his heart if he was so far away?

I believe Rain made a thread long ago about this.

When MX holds Ven up, before he freezes him Ven seems to look like he is "injected" by darkness, or perhaps having darkness sucked out of him. Then, when MX creates the orb in his hand, the second before it becomes an orb there is the distinct shape of a heart in his hand. It leads to the theory that MX wanted Ven for his heart.

 

[WilliamTheWise]

It was vens heart.

So why did MX's keyblade transform in the orb?
And how did Ven move his eye without a heart?

If not, why didnt he summon the kh b4?

IDK. 3 knights just rushed in and attacked him and he didn't want to risk them interfering. So he waited until they were unable to fight so he could continue his plan.

 

[Laz]

So why did MX's keyblade transform in the orb?
And how did Ven move his eye without a heart?

how was kairi able to even be in neverland without her heart?She blinked, she moved, she even made sounds without her heart.

IDK. 3 knights just rushed in and attacked him and he didn't want to risk them interfering. So he waited until they were unable to fight so he could continue his plan.

three jokes.He and DS took them as a walk in the park, besides they werent unable to fight.I saw terra and aqua perfectly fine.

 

[Zeagal]

Well we don't know if he really took his heart. He could have just taken the contents or the darkness or whatever. It could also be as simple as what happened to Kairi in KH1. Besides it isn't even confirmed that it MX took anything from Ven, and it looks more like MX's keyblade turned into the orb. So if anything I'd say it's both or just the keyblade.

 

[Izayoi]

However it is the split second in which you see MX holding a heart before the orb that makes the Ven's heart thing possible.

 

[Zeagal]

Wouldn't he have to do this with different hands?

 

[Izayoi]

Well, I know you've seen the video. He takes Ven by the head, presumably sucks his heart out, and let's him drop. That same hand holds the darkness, and you can see the heart shape in his hand before turning into the orb and flying up to form/add onto Kingdom Hearts.

He does in fact do it with one hand behind his back.

 

[WilliamTheWise]

However it is the split second in which you see MX holding a heart before the orb that makes the Ven's heart thing possible.

I didn't see a heart.

 

[Relix]

I just saw the vid, i can't see the heart...

 

[Zeagal]

I'm watching that part now. All I see is that with his right hand he holds Ven up and sucks whatever out, but I can not find a part where you see if anything is even in his right hand after he drops Ven. Then when his keyblade turns into the orb in his left hand the right one is already behind his back.

 

[WilliamTheWise]

This is after his keyblade changes. No heart. Orb.

He takes Ven by the head, presumably sucks his heart out,

I saw freezing not sucking

 

[Laz]

yeah but that doesnt mean that it isnt vens heart, or something he needed from ven in order to summon the blue kh.

 

[Zeagal]

It kind of does considering it would have been in his other hand.

 

[WilliamTheWise]

yeah but that doesnt mean that it isnt vens heart, or something he needed from ven in order to summon the blue kh.

Seem to be connect with the keyblade. He held Ven with his right hand when the "sucking" occurred.
Them summons the orb with his left hand. Doesn't add up. You'd think he'd hold up the same hand he'd use to absorb.

 

[Zeagal]

Also it couldn't have just flowed through his arms either since while he was holding Ven he still had his keyblade.

 

[Izayoi]

I apologize for that, but it was very clear in my head a memory seeing MX holding a heart before the orb. I'll have to look into it, but I'll withdraw that theory until anything comes up.

I do find it odd though that he switches hands.

And for the sucking, what it is is that before MX freezes Ven there's a blast of darkness or dark energy on and around Ven. That is when the presumed sucking would take place.

 

[Laz]

Seem to be connect with the keyblade. He held Ven with his right hand when the "sucking" occurred.
Them summons the orb with his left hand. Doesn't add up. You'd think he'd hold up the same hand he'd use to absorb.

Also it couldn't have just flowed through his arms either since while he was holding Ven he still had his keyblade.

oh well, i guess it cant be helped.

 

[Zeagal]

And for the sucking, what it is is that before MX freezes Ven there's a blast of darkness or dark energy on and around Ven. That is when the presumed sucking would take place.

That part interests me as darkness has previously been shown as purple and black, but this was more in line with nobody colors of greyish white and black.