The name "Unbirth" still could've worked for Unversed enemies



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Unversed- Those that are not versed in their own existence. They are called this because they are not their own beings, rather they are tied to Vanitas. Their existence it's well-versed.

Although we know "Unbirth" was nothing more than a mistranslation, it would've been cool if Normura changed his mind and actually called them Unbirths. The name still could work for Unversed and here's why ....

Unbirth- Those that are not born with their own existence. They would be called this because of their ties with Vanitas just like the Unversed meaning had to it. I personally think Normura could've renamed them to Unbirths based on the fandom. And the reason is it goes very well with "Birth" in "Birth By Sleep" just like "Heartless" fits very well with "Kingdom HEARTs".

From time to time, I still like to call them Unbirths to be honest because I am a long time fan and it to me makes more since. I actually call them Unversed/ Unbirths.

Anyways what do you guys think of how this could've went?
 

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Re: The name "Unbirth" still could've worked for Unversed enemies.

Personally I was never to fond of either name. No enemy class in KH is if their own existence.

•Heartless are someone's darkness running rampant.
•Nobodies are someone's body running around on lingering memories.
•Dream Eaters are born of dreams.
•Unversed are born of Vanitas.

Everything is born of the heart in some form or aspect. (yes even nobodies since they're born from loss of heart and shaped by the memories of that heart)

But in hindsight I honestly can't think of a name for them that I'd consider fitting.
 
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Re: The name "Unbirth" still could've worked for Unversed enemies.

Both "Unversed" and "Unbirth" are awkward imo. I get what they're getting at but out of all the enemy types thus far, Vanitas' bastard offspring have the most nonsensical name. I don't think they're even real words...

From what I understand, "Unbirth" was their original name but was used very, very early on and the articles that mentioned them all but fell to obscurity. Some of the really early magazine articles talking about BbS were found and revealed that Unversed were in fact called "Unbirth" but that old name was rarely used.

I'm not too keen on the name "Unversed" but I prefer it to "Unbirth". At least, for what we have now. Looking at the really early information for BbS it looks like we were going to get something very different (at least in some aspects) from what we ultimately got, so maybe "Unbirth" would have made more sense before, but now it's kind of nonsense.
 

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Re: The name "Unbirth" still could've worked for Unversed enemies.

This is a child-friendly forum so I will be discreet, but unbirth is also...something else and that something is not pleasant.
 

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Re: The name "Unbirth" still could've worked for Unversed enemies.

Although we know "Unbirth" was nothing more than a mistranslation
It wasn't a mistranslation. There are early BBS scans that say "アンバース" (Unbirths, mistranslated as "Ambers") but at some point in 2008 they switched to using "アンヴァース" (Unversed). I just spent 30 min looking at Japanese transcripts of Birth By Sleep scans and translators who made note of the shift from "Unbirth" to "Unversed".

You can even tell the concept was shifted away from what Nomura was hinting at because he stopped talking about how the new enemies were the opposite of "birth". It seemed like he wanted to refer to beings that were without life, specifically "existing without birth or beginning."(My thought is that they might have been beings that would have been without "soul", the life-force component of the body+heart+soul=somebody equation. It fits with the whole idea of "birth by sleep", which essentially means a "beginning" of some sort. Alas...)

In fact, it seems like in 2008 Birth By Sleep's entire concept saw a bit of a shift away from what had been originally intended, not just the Unbirth/Unversed thing. Earlier trailers and interviews all convey a different, darker tone than what later interviews did.

Unbirth- Those that are not born with their own existence. They would be called this because of their ties with Vanitas just like the Unversed meaning had to it. I personally think Normura could've renamed them to Unbirths based on the fandom. And the reason is it goes very well with "Birth" in "Birth By Sleep" just like "Heartless" fits very well with "Kingdom HEARTs".
I don't think that describes the Unversed very well. They are quite literally Vanitas' emotions––extensions of him. They aren't even their own beings, which makes it impossible to be "unbirthed" which refers to unique beings that are not yet born.
 

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Re: The name "Unbirth" still could've worked for Unversed enemies.

In fact, it seems like in 2008 Birth By Sleep's entire concept saw a bit of a shift away from what had been originally intended, not just the Unbirth/Unversed thing. Earlier trailers and interviews all convey a different, darker tone than what later interviews did.
Like for example, "evil Terra"





(really would've liked to seen how that went)
 

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Re: The name "Unbirth" still could've worked for Unversed enemies.

Like for example, "evil Terra"





(really would've liked to seen how that went)
If Terra was going to be a rival like Riku in KH 1 that would've been more epic than we have now!
 

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Re: The name "Unbirth" still could've worked for Unversed enemies.

If Terra was going to be a rival like Riku in KH 1 that would've been more epic than we have now!
I doubt he'd have been a rival. Unlike Riku, Terra in that early vid seemed perfectly fine of his friends. What's hinted, or at least originally theorized back then, is that Terra would just turn bad similar to the original Ansem concept.
 

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Re: The name "Unbirth" still could've worked for Unversed enemies.

Like for example, "evil Terra"





(really would've liked to seen how that went)
Evil!Terra was actually what I was thinking about while typing up my post xD It was my favorite concept from the earlier trailers. I know they probably didn't want to have Terra be too much like Riku, but evil-yet-morally-gray!Terra had much more intrigue going for him than gullible!unlucky!Terra (I still love Terra but damn 2008 Terra was perfect) I'll always wonder what he meant by Ven rescuing him. Imagine how much dialogue probably exists in the record banks from the old concept.

ANYWAYS. Unbirths.
 

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Re: The name "Unbirth" still could've worked for Unversed enemies.

Evil!Terra was actually what I was thinking about while typing up my post xD It was my favorite concept from the earlier trailers. I know they probably didn't want to have Terra be too much like Riku, but evil-yet-morally-gray!Terra had much more intrigue going for him than gullible!unlucky!Terra (I still love Terra but damn 2008 Terra was perfect) I'll always wonder what he meant by Ven rescuing him. Imagine how much dialogue probably exists in the record banks from the old concept.
I couldn't agree more, Evil-Terra was so much more interesting! ;A; I don't think he'd have been that much like Riku personally.
I bet the story in those records is more interesting that what we got now with the series. TuT
 

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Re: The name "Unbirth" still could've worked for Unversed enemies.

It's always interesting seeing these old mockups and what coulda/woulda/shoulda.

I can easily see how, in that one scene with the brier patch surrounding King Stefan's castle, Terra is being manipulated by Maleficent like he was in the final version (sans glowing eyeball effects). We really don't see him too "evil" outside of that conceptual scene. Maybe Ven stepped in to release him from her spell, and that is where the "rescuing" scene at Radiant Garden takes place. Look at all that conjecture I just typed. Answers we may never know. ;~;

Interesting nonetheless.

As for the enemy verbiage, I'm glad they didn't just force Unbirth(s/ed) on us simply because it's partially in the subtitle/themes of the game. For me, Unversed sounds and is spoken phonetically smoother and doesn't come with all the baggage Tinny alluded to.
 
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Re: The name "Unbirth" still could've worked for Unversed enemies.

To be fair, "Evil Terra" could have just been a red herring from the early trailers. We might just have simply been reading too much into the look on his face. I do agree that him being a bit more morally ambiguous would have been interesting, though.

But yeah, it's a shame about the whole Unbirth concept.
The game is named Birth by Sleep, and really has next to nothing to do with "birth"--there are hints of it in the secret ending, but why name the whole game off of that? Something which wasn't even properly fleshed out at all. To think we're actually still waiting to find out what "birth by sleep" really is.

The "Unbirth" were clearly meant to play into this theme somehow, but got watered down along the way.

There is the presence of Sora's "unborn" heart in the game, so I've always looked at that as a clue for what they were originally intended to be. They were described to be the opposite of life---which could very well be death, or more broadly some state of being either before (like Sora) or after life. But there was that whole perception of this not being appealing to a Western audience due to it being grounded in Eastern thinking. Which is stupid considering we've got concepts like "Hearts can exist in everything" in the series.

Combining that with what we actually got, that the Unversed were negative emotions, one possibility is that they were unresolved emotions from a person's life.
 

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Re: The name "Unbirth" still could've worked for Unversed enemies.

But there was that whole perception of this not being appealing to a Western audience due to it being grounded in Eastern thinking. Which is stupid considering we've got concepts like "Hearts can exist in everything" in the series.
To be doubly fair, that's not purely eastern either. One of my earliest favorite books was the Velveteen Rabbit which echoes Ansem the Wise's line about seeing the heart in something and it becoming real. Also about needing a heart to cry, but you take my meaning, the idea of loving and acknowledging something and that making it real is kind of universal, though maybe not as literal as what we see in KH...
 
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