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The Identities of Organization XIII and Xion



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Byronic Hero

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dude i dont think Xion was made when sora gave kairi her heart remember she died when the destiny islands were invaded by heartless and if you went to the secret place it would show (if im not mistaken) kairi saying "Sora" and she disappeared so she died earlier in the game so maybe thats where Xion came from

Kairi never died. darkness tried to invade her heart, theres a difference. Big Difference.
 

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yeah but she should be considered dead because without your heart you cant really live can you?

Learn the concepts of body, soul, and heart in terms of Kingdom Hearts.

Body: vessel for heart/soul
Soul: Life
Heart: Memories
 
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Going Back to the possibility of Xion being Rikus Nobody. First; Riku never lost his heart. Second; Riku isnt a girl last time I checked.
 

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Well, no Nobody was created for Riku because no soul was left to animate the body, and the body itself was possessed by Ansem(Xehanort's Heartless) the moment Riku's heart and soul were flung out to the realm of darkness. We can be sure that Riku's soul was accounted for because his consciousness came back to haunt XH and protect Kairi/Donald/Goofy from the Heartless.

Aside from that, I just want to point out that its not entirely impossible for Kairi to have a Heartless: Though her heart was with Sora, you have to remember that Riku still carried around her living (albeit nonfunctioning) body through Neverland and Hollow Bastion. Yet, even though her body did not fade and be reborn as a Nobody, Namine was still created. So its possible that this also created Xion, who could be a Heartless (explaining the black hair and darker skin) in the process... If Xion is a Heartless, this would explain why she is not in the Organization on any official basis (why OrgXIII is still XIII rather than XIV, why she is being kept in against her will, etc.) aside from Xemnas wanting her there. It would also be a bargaining chip against Namine, whether or not she knew that Xion was her other half...

And if the rule is that once a Heart separates from Body and Soul, creating a Nobody and a Heartless, doesn't that mean that when the body/soul and heart are accounted for, but a Nobody still is created, a Heartless would also be created? Though this brings something else into question: If this theory is right, then that would mean there are a potential 2 Kairi's running around (or were, anyways, before Xion ceased to exist and Namine rebonded with Kairi herself).

Exception that proves the rule!
 
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Oh, and by the way, for those of you who dont know:

To have a Heartless/Nobody created, Heart must separate from Body and Soul.
Under this principle, to be DEAD is to have Soul separate from Body and Heart.
And if Heart and Soul are separated from Body, you're stuck for a while so the universe can sort out what to do with you. Riku used the period he was separated from his Body to hold back XH, so this state is to be explored further.
 

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Oh, and by the way, for those of you who dont know:

To have a Heartless/Nobody created, Heart must separate from Body and Soul.
Under this principle, to be DEAD is to have Soul separate from Body and Heart.
And if Heart and Soul are separated from Body, you're stuck for a while so the universe can sort out what to do with you. Riku used the period he was separated from his Body to hold back XH, so this state is to be explored further.

Dont double post

And where'd you get this info from. Doesnt seem like anything that I've read :/
 

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And where'd you get this info from. Doesnt seem like anything that I've read :/
Well, Rule 1: in order to be dead, your Heart still needs to be with the Body when the Soul leaves. Likewise, Rule 2: when the Heart leaves the Body, the Soul needs to stay behind for both parts of that being to still exist as a Heartless and Nobody. If the Body becomes just a lost vessel, but the Soul and Heart are intertwined and separate from the Body, then what do you think happens? Based on the above two rules, it can't create a Heartless, a Nobody, or a corpse. Just a lost consciousness (ghost?) and a discarded vessel that can be possessed by any wandering Soul. Whatever happens to that 'ghost' is beyond me- in Riku's case, it went to the Realm of Darkness and regrew the Body somehow.
 
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