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Hey guys so this is going to be a practice thread because I'm trying to make some articles related to Square Enix and Kingdom Hearts so please bear with me on this and any help you can give me would be very much appreciated I'm working on a few articles that I'd like to write revolving around Kingdom Hearts and Final Fantasy specifically especially their relation but this one is for the Nomura and the fact that I think much like the creator of bleach he does not deserve the hate he gets she's in my opinion has joined the ranks of George Lucas and Zack Snyder in being overly hated and for no real reason especially when he's been doing this for over 30 years and trying to stick by fans and make his stories as well as he could. So beware the arguments I'm going to put here or not going to be perfect this is just me trying to get a lot of my points out as well as I can so I can find a way to structure them in a way that I can eventually figure out a way to put into some form of an article or YouTube video any help people can help me with or things you find about nomura or is writing and work that are not deserving of the hate you gets please give those suggestions to me as well.


Also just an FYI there will be spelling errors and there won't be a lot of periods and so on so forth

So it's come to my attention that many people like to hate on tetsuya nomura it's not new to me I've known about this for years especially since high school and the vast majority of times I see people's arguments against nomura or why they think Kingdom Hearts is poorly written or why they hate him for insert reason here usually aren't very sound arguments and it's unfortunate that the media has spun a narrative around the man and I think it is time that we need to put a stop to it from how how in my opinion that Square Enix screwed him over with verses 13 to people making the smallest complaints about things that in grand scheme of things don't really matter or Worse first from something made almost 20 to 25 years ago it's it's a little ridiculous it goes beyond just nitpicking in my opinion now I'm completely okay with someone only being in Kingdom Hearts for the game play and not the story or not particularly finding it well-written but I'm one of the people who finds King Mark's very well written as well as his final fantasy work end well Kingdom Hearts in Final Fantasy go hand-in-hand I'd argue almost even more then it does with Disney. Simply searching his name in the YouTube or on Google and you can find almost nothing at least from the Western half of the Square Enix fan base complaining about him doing this or that or complaining about something he wasn't even involved with or barely had any involvement with and I'm just getting sick and tired of it and I know many fans of Final Fantasy Kingdom Hearts the world ends with you are tired of it too and especially the arguments many people have made against him a lot of them are either poorly researched or get a lot of information wrong about the projects especially Final Fantasy Versus XIII. Especially with Kingdom Hearts as Kingdom Hearts is a series that you really have to replay in pay attention to multiple times to really get it in the morning is like David Lynch in that way he has so much of a story to tell that you don't really notice it and that's because of his Final Fantasy Origins as that's where he kind of comes from but I find a lot of people mostly Western fanbase members really don't appreciate him from what I've seen from Japanese rent fans and friends who live in Japan who were fans of square he's pretty much praised there so it's more the western side of the fan base. It is truthfully not fair considering she is a good writer he's not the greatest writer of all time he's no Shakespeare actually I'd say he's a little better than Shakespeare I'll actually aren't you that Shakespeare was kind of lazy. From arguments ranging from they just don't like his zippers and they don't like how this was or that was that doesn't make it bad and in many cases I found him being called a hack for changing up 7 remake and people sing he he and square promise to faithful remake is not true as is the truth about Kingdom Hearts 3 it was not in development from 2006 to 2019 they really only started development on it in 2013 especially when you realize nomura was simply too busy to have been working on Kingdom Hearts 3 he had every Final Fantasy game that isn't related to Final Fantasy XIV on his list he had vs 13 which would turn into Final Fantasy 15 he would end up being taken off of his own project which was actually mostly done contrary to popular belief in fact Square Enix themselves kept running into engine problems were other problems with other games which would cause namora and other people at Square to start working on those projects does putting him in under unfair conditions especially regarding Japan's crunch-time conditions in regards to video games manga end animation he works on a vast majority of what Square Enix has to offer in Japan that the most from Final Fantasy most specifically to Kingdom Hearts at self the world ends with you Gunslinger Stratos and so many other games it really only becomes unfair because all he does is try to please at least from what I can tell or at least tell his story the way he wants it to be told but I have to question that because he's got to work on everything so he doesn't really get the time to really make the games as good as they could be so when people complain about Kingdom Hearts not being the most amazing thing ever written for insert game here compared to another one it's because the man is busy he's got so many other projects he's got to work on and I've seen many things from namora didn't work on Final Fantasy 7 which anyone who can use Google or play the original Final Fantasy 7 nose is b******* he wrote the story for it he did the character designs and many even saying he said the Kingdom Hearts 3 was going to be the end which is also not true a lot of misinformation it would seem is a frequent in regards to nomura from it was his fault for vs13 being cancelled which as I would recently get into looking into stuff isn't true in fact as it would turn out it's more or less Square Enix has both at the game never got released when apparently it was mostly done and developers behind versus have come out in defense of him and I think that is something that the Western fan base especially fans have no more need to start doing more because I find it unacceptable how he is is treated from fans of Final Fantasy in Kingdom Hearts and anything he works on being mistreated harassed and even bullied just for liking something he was involved with at one point I run into comments on just something he's not even involved with saying oh yeah I hope no more it doesn't ruin Dragon Quest or I hope he doesn't ruin this when I'm like how could he she does most of the work from what I can see or at least seems to be the reason Square Enix is still going at least the main reason she truly does not deserve the hate he is getting especially in the recent years many people's arguments on why this is why he ruined this or he promised that are poorly researched and are misinformed information needs to be more solid with nomura namora is a eccentric guy that is for sure but he is not a terrible writer he is not a person who ruined someone's childhood just by altering a game he wrote when he didn't actually write the Remake she came up with a Concepts in fact seven remake has a lot of lot of the stuff that the original game cut out and is really just a different story they never promised a one-to-one remake two people complaining about Kingdom Hearts 3 not being the last entry in the series when they said there would be more after Kingdom Hearts 3 I've even seen people saying you can't say that nomura plan this because he didn't write it and that's not true planning and writing the story or two different things because one is mapping the stories Direction out versus when you finally get to the stages of actually writing I see so much hatred for just one guy for just trying to make a good story or make something he wants people to like or something he invested a lot of his own passion to it's just not fair I have more problems with square are as a whole aside from him I'll try to update this later this is just a lot of my thoughts and points if you see this please contribute reasons why you don't think nimora deserves the hate eight he's been getting especially in the recent years it can be from riding to character designs to just the smallest things he you've seen him get hate for because it's starting to get ridiculous to the point where I may as well start a hashtag that says #I stand with TETSUYA NOMURA it's just something that isn't fair I'm tired of the false narrative that touched me in the Mora is a terrible person for this and that or he's a terrible writer he makes convoluted this and that I'm tired of it end it's going to be a life goal of mine at this point to the bunk is many arguments about why he's terrible as possible and any fans of Nemours work here who can help me with that it'll be appreciated because it's time that he starts getting the respect in the west he really does deserve because he is probably the most over hated writer and director and artist I have seen of this generation he's not I'm tired of people acting like he did to everyone what Rian Johnson did the Star Wars or something and I understand if you like The Last Jedi and all that but it's unfair to nomura and I think it needs to be put to an end I think the community as a whole needs to start doing videos and articles as much as possible as to why he shouldn't be getting the hate he's getting this way we can Stamp Out The Narrative that key is this terrible writer or this terrible character designer into this terrible this and it needs to be put to an end and if the community can help put an end to this bulshit it'll be appreciated and I feel like it just needs to be put to an end I understand if someone doesn't like his work that's completely fine but spreading false information or he's a terrible writer for this and that and acting like it is fact as so many of his haters do is and it needs to be put to a stop especially when you searched his name into YouTube and all you find is people ranting about the man and why they hate him for this and that work why he's the biggest hack in Japanese gaming it's stupid and I'm just tired of it anyone who can help out or send me some stuff this way I can create a article or YouTube video for why he's not deserving of this Aid please and thank you sent it to me and I'm sorry for not using commas and periods in sentences or proper grammar what not if it's hard for you to get through I'm using text-to-speech
 
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I just want to come out and say (although I’m scared to say it considering how hurtful some of the members of this website have been to me in the past): thank you for posting this. Thank you so, so much. I too think that the hate against Tetsuya Nomura is getting old, and quite frankly, I think the hate is very ungrateful and immature on many people’s parts. Especially when it comes to Kingdom Hearts III.

Just on this website alone, I swear I’ve heard it all. You would think that a website mostly dedicated to Kingdom Hearts would be a little more grateful and passionate about Tetsuya Nomura’s work, but sadly that has not been the case in my experience.

Back when Kingdom Hearts III first launched, there was so much hate going around on this website alone, that I can now look back and say without a doubt, “some people on this website were being toxic.”

If you’re offended by me saying that, I’m sorry, but it’s the truth. Much of the negativity towards Tetsuya Nomura, Kingdom Hearts, and various other things, are very toxic. People have used all kinds of swear words towards me and outright insulted me just for trying to spread more positivity, or for sharing my own insights as to why people should try to be a little more positive.

And quite frankly, I have had enough of the toxicity coming from some people on this website. So when I read your thoughts and arguments about how Tetsuya Nomura doesn’t deserve all this hate, I found it refreshing and relieving. So, thank you. Thank you so very much for defending Testuya Nomura and his work, while so many others immaturely abuse their right to their own opinions by treating me and others in such a toxic way. It is perfectly fine to not like Testuya Nomura’s work. But there is a point in which such negativity becomes harmful and outright abusive. I wasn’t surprised to see such harmful negativity on other websites; that’s sadly how much of the internet chooses to behave. But on a website dedicated to Kingdom Hearts, I found it, and I continue to find it, very surprising and toxic. I’m not going to mention any names, but after the launch of Kingdom Hearts III and up until now, the amount of negativity on here has far outweighed any hope or passion that remains.

I know I’m going to get a lot of hate from people regarding this post of mine. A lot of toxic, ungrateful, and abusive hate. But I don’t care anymore. As someone who deals with depression, anxiety, OCD, and other mental health challenges, I try to look for the positive in any way I can. I’ve been told by many members on this website that my positivity is a problem. I’ve been told that trying to convince others to be just a little more positive is wrong. I’ve been cussed at just for saying things like “I loved Kingdom Hearts III”, or “I think people may have set their expectations too high prior to KH3’s launch.” And I know, based on past experiences with this website, people are probably going to be toxic and insult me and try to break me again just for saying these things I’m saying. But really, I don’t care anymore. I may argue back, but considering how argumentative and abusive so many people on this website alone have been towards me just for trying to stay positive and spreading positivity, I think me arguing back a little is the same as anyone arguing towards me. I have a right to feel the way I do. Just like anyone else. Our feelings are valid, but it’s how we express our feelings that can really affect others for better, or for worse. So just know, if anyone wants to bash me and argue against me about how “we have a right to be this upset with Tetsuya Nomura” or “why shouldn’t Kingdom Hearts III be ten times better than Kingdom Hearts II” or “whether or not we like something isn’t our choice”, just know I’ve already heard those same toxic excuses hundreds of times over. It’s really getting old, just like the Topic Creator is pointing out. And quite honestly, it’s doing a lot more harm than it is good. Not just for me, but for a lot of others too. So, I want to give a shout out to the Topic Creator of this thread, and say Thank You. Thank you for showing me I’m not alone. Thank you for standing up when I originally couldn’t. Thank you for actually being mature and realistic. And most of all, thank you for trying to combat all the negativity and toxicity coming from people who are blinded by their hate towards Kingdom Hearts III, Tetsuya Nomura’s many Final Fantasy contributions, and all things Tetsuya Nomura. I really, really appreciate it.
 
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Comparing Nomura to George Lucas is fair (even if we compare them to different ends) but comparing both those men's art to Zack Snyder's is deeply insulting to both Lucas and Nomura.

As for the topic, many mistake critique of the art as condemnation of the artist. Nobody hates Nomura, I'm sure he's a very nice guy and hasn't ever done anything to hurt me. But he's a very limited storyteller and his writing seems to have regressed over the past two decades into a pastiche of every stereotypical anime trope.

The being "grateful" part is what I take issue with most. I'm grateful for those Nomuraisms I love. I'm not gonna be "grateful" for something I didn't consider good, this isn't some cult.
 
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Comparing Nomura to George Lucas is fair (even if we compare them to different ends) but comparing both those men's art to Zack Snyder's is deeply insulting to both Lucas and Nomura.

As for the topic, many mistake critique of the art as condemnation of the artist. Nobody hates Nomura, I'm sure he's a very nice guy and hasn't ever done anything to hurt me. But he's a very limited storyteller and his writing seems to have regressed over the past two decades into a pastiche of every stereotypical anime trope.

The being "grateful" part is what I take issue with most. I'm grateful for those Nomuraisms I love. I'm not gonna be "grateful" for something I didn't consider good, this isn't some cult.
That’s fine that that’s your opinion, but nobody ever said you “had” to be grateful. I certainly didn’t say you had to do anything and I’m sorry you took it that way. I just mentioned that I see a lot of people who become so negative that it’s toxic is ungrateful in my own opinion. That’s what I meant, and I’m sorry you took it differently. And by no means is this a cult; I didn’t say so, or mean so. But I still do consider those who intentionally intimidate and insult those of a more positive opinion to be ungrateful and immature.

That’s fine that that’s your opinion, but nobody ever said you “had” to be grateful. I certainly didn’t say you had to do anything and I’m sorry you took it that way. I just mentioned that I see a lot of people who become so negative that it’s toxic is ungrateful in my own opinion. That’s what I meant, and I’m sorry you took it differently. And by no means is this a cult; I didn’t say so, or mean so. But I still do consider those who intentionally intimidate and insult those of a more positive opinion to be ungrateful and immature.
I’m sorry if I got too emotional with my previous posts. I really didn’t mean that all negativity is toxic, because it’s not. Even positivity can be toxic if pushed to a certain point, and I do recognize that. I guess I just had so many feelings built up inside from the people who did intentionally insult me or say offensive things towards me in past discussions. It can be hard for me to deal with it all. I didn’t mean that all negativity was bad. In fact, I do think that negativity can be a good thing in the sense that it can push some to do better. I just feel like too much of it can be bad, just like too much positivity can be a bad thing too. And honestly, it’s just my opinion that the negativity has been overwhelming for me at different points. I’m sorry for the confusion, and I’m sorry if I said anything offensive on my end. Things have been kind of rough for me lately.
 

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I’m sorry if I got too emotional with my previous posts. I really didn’t mean that all negativity is toxic, because it’s not. Even positivity can be toxic if pushed to a certain point, and I do recognize that. I guess I just had so many feelings built up inside from the people who did intentionally insult me or say offensive things towards me in past discussions. It can be hard for me to deal with it all. I didn’t mean that all negativity was bad. In fact, I do think that negativity can be a good thing in the sense that it can push some to do better. I just feel like too much of it can be bad, just like too much positivity can be a bad thing too. And honestly, it’s just my opinion that the negativity has been overwhelming for me at different points. I’m sorry for the confusion, and I’m sorry if I said anything offensive on my end. Things have been kind of rough for me lately.

No need to apologise. I also suffer from depression, anxiety and OCD and know how you're feeling.

The worst part of the anxiety and OCD for me is worrying about the reaction to a post or obsessively editing/qualifying/elaborating after the fact. I do hope I didn't make that worse for you; didn't mean to appear as cranky as the reply does reading it back rn.
 

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I don't hate Nomura, although I think KH puts his weaknesses on display. He's really not good with a series because a series calls for consistency and he wants every installment to have different gameplay, focus on a different plot line that sometimes doesn't gel with past ones, drop and pick up focus on different ideas or characters at random, etc. He's a master with stand-alone stories though, at least imo. That's partly why KH1 is still the best one for me, because he treated it mostly like a stand-alone when it was being made. I hope he's always in control of KH despite his flaws though because someone else being put in charge might mean other things that would be worse to me (like pushing Sora off to the side, re-casting characters, making SoKai more prominent than simply ending cutscene fodder, etc.).

His weakness with female characters is also more prominent in KH than other things he's done to me. It's not like he can't write good female characters though--Yuna, Tifa, Quistis, Selphie, Lulu, Rikku, Ultimecia, etc. Even in KH, I like several of the female characters (Namine, Larxene, Aqua), but the majority of them just never get to do much of anything. Not every series needs to have a heavy focus on female characters; I'm fine with Sora and Riku being the main characters of this story. Just the female characters that are there should at least get as much to do as other background characters like Lea, the Apprentices, the miscellaneous Org. members, Ansem the Wise, etc. do.
 

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Believe me when I say that if someone else did exactly what Nomura does but in a more "realistic" setting or "without Didney" it'd be loved to hell and back

But if Nomura did his usual thing with those two things as well, it wouldn't be loved because it's Nomura. The guy people still think is obsessed with belts despite all of his recent character designs not having many belts, if any at all.

Nomura has problems, yes, but he's also a victim of the internet osmosis or whatever around him that led him to apparently being the main guy to blame for all of Square's fuck ups.
 
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No need to apologise. I also suffer from depression, anxiety and OCD and know how you're feeling.

The worst part of the anxiety and OCD for me is worrying about the reaction to a post or obsessively editing/qualifying/elaborating after the fact. I do hope I didn't make that worse for you; didn't mean to appear as cranky as the reply does reading it back rn.
Thank you. I too worry extensively about what I post and how others may or may not react to it, so I too struggle with that. It’s okay if we don’t agree on everything; I’m glad we were able to connect a little on our struggles, though. It helps me feel better knowing that there’s others going through similar things that I go through. 😊
 

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To be honest, there's nothing wrong with Nomura. He made what most likely can be considered a third pillar to Square Enix, made a crossover no one thought about, with the best composer and good gameplay/battle system.

Nomura is just too biased to be a good writer. He's good at making singular games, but when it comes to continuing stories, he isn't as good.
 

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Thank you for this! I’ve seen people blame him for games that he wasn’t even working on, and it’s getting stupid. You can not like a person, that’s fine, but that doesn’t mean that person is responsible for every single little thing you don’t like, and you don’t have to say awful things about the person!
 

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Thank you for this! I’ve seen people blame him for games that he wasn’t even working on, and it’s getting stupid. You can not like a person, that’s fine, but that doesn’t mean that person is responsible for every single little thing you don’t like, and you don’t have to say awful things about the person!
It just always ends up like this it's just not ok I want to put an end to atleast most of it

To be honest, there's nothing wrong with Nomura. He made what most likely can be considered a third pillar to Square Enix, made a crossover no one thought about, with the best composer and good gameplay/battle system.

Nomura is just too biased to be a good writer. He's good at making singular games, but when it comes to continuing stories, he isn't as good.
I disagree with the Last part because everything he's done while making it a serious is actually really good everything he's shown proves he's a fantastic writer he's just different and doesn't do things the regular way thinking outside the box . It shows he's more creative and is actually inspired has plenty of ideas even when kh rehashes old FF troupes he deos it in a new way.

I completely agree with the first part however

I don't hate Nomura, although I think KH puts his weaknesses on display. He's really not good with a series because a series calls for consistency and he wants every installment to have different gameplay, focus on a different plot line that sometimes doesn't gel with past ones, drop and pick up focus on different ideas or characters at random, etc. He's a master with stand-alone stories though, at least imo. That's partly why KH1 is still the best one for me, because he treated it mostly like a stand-alone when it was being made. I hope he's always in control of KH despite his flaws though because someone else being put in charge might mean other things that would be worse to me (like pushing Sora off to the side, re-casting characters, making SoKai more prominent than simply ending cutscene fodder, etc.).

His weakness with female characters is also more prominent in KH than other things he's done to me. It's not like he can't write good female characters though--Yuna, Tifa, Quistis, Selphie, Lulu, Rikku, Ultimecia, etc. Even in KH, I like several of the female characters (Namine, Larxene, Aqua), but the majority of them just never get to do much of anything. Not every series needs to have a heavy focus on female characters; I'm fine with Sora and Riku being the main characters of this story. Just the female characters that are there should at least get as much to do as other background characters like Lea, the Apprentices, the miscellaneous Org. members, Ansem the Wise, etc. do.
I disagree a series deos not necessarily need consistency. Especially something like KINGDOM HEARTS it being inconsistent is actually where the intrigue comes from. Because it's a mystery at its core that's just my opinion

Believe me when I say that if someone else did exactly what Nomura does but in a more "realistic" setting or "without Didney" it'd be loved to hell and back

But if Nomura did his usual thing with those two things as well, it wouldn't be loved because it's Nomura. The guy people still think is obsessed with belts despite all of his recent character designs not having many belts, if any at all.

Nomura has problems, yes, but he's also a victim of the internet osmosis or whatever around him that led him to apparently being the main guy to blame for all of Square's fuck ups.
Yeah it's one of the main things that's gotten really really old. And it's like a meme that should have faded away but sticks around

Comparing Nomura to George Lucas is fair (even if we compare them to different ends) but comparing both those men's art to Zack Snyder's is deeply insulting to both Lucas and Nomura.

As for the topic, many mistake critique of the art as condemnation of the artist. Nobody hates Nomura, I'm sure he's a very nice guy and hasn't ever done anything to hurt me. But he's a very limited storyteller and his writing seems to have regressed over the past two decades into a pastiche of every stereotypical anime trope.

The being "grateful" part is what I take issue with most. I'm grateful for those Nomuraisms I love. I'm not gonna be "grateful" for something I didn't consider good, this isn't some cult.
I compared him to Zack Snyder because nomura and Lucas are good creative writers who know what there doing same as Tite kubo of Bleach. Zack Snyder is one of those people. Who knows how to make a new ideas and create an interesting story he honestly knows what he's doing and as far as I'm concerned. Is great and the Snyder cut proved this to me personally.

The second part though is very much spot on and could be applied many other things I disagree with most of what your saying but I really appreciate the input and it helps me out alot so thank you very much

That’s fine that that’s your opinion, but nobody ever said you “had” to be grateful. I certainly didn’t say you had to do anything and I’m sorry you took it that way. I just mentioned that I see a lot of people who become so negative that it’s toxic is ungrateful in my own opinion. That’s what I meant, and I’m sorry you took it differently. And by no means is this a cult; I didn’t say so, or mean so. But I still do consider those who intentionally intimidate and insult those of a more positive opinion to be ungrateful and immature.
This is simply a normal thing but I will say the hatred towards NOMURA and almost everything he has touched that isn't FINAL FANTASY VII is certainly cult like
 

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Let’s get something straight: Nomura is like George Lucas, BUT Nomura has not received even 1/100 of the hate and pure vitriol that Lucas has suffered.

Let’s not overplay Nomura’s haters and underplay the pure atrocities that were said about Lucas. Its. Not. Comparable.
It feels like people truly never understood the scope of hate that Lucas and his stars received, and honestly I don’t think any controversy has matched it since.
 

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Let’s get something straight: Nomura is like George Lucas, BUT Nomura has not received even 1/100 of the hate and pure vitriol that Lucas has suffered.

Let’s not overplay Nomura’s haters and underplay the pure atrocities that were said about Lucas. Its. Not. Comparable.
It feels like people truly never understood the scope of hate that Lucas and his stars received, and honestly I don’t think any controversy has matched it since.
Yeah. The SW fandom has almost driven people involved with the series to suicide. While people can go a bit far in blaming Nomura for everything wrong with the series, it doesn't usually get the to the level of hate that George Lucas or Ahmed Best received over the prequels.
 

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The shit that gets said about Nomura is child’s play compared to the work of the Fandom Menace.
 

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If I may back up the Zack Snyder comparison: both men tend to inspire a bizarrely personal level of hatred, way beyond what a lukewarm take on Superman or poorly written plot twists should inspire. If Nomura suffered a similar tragedy in his life that forced him off his projects I could absolutely see some people celebrating it. Probably more FF fans than KH fans, but still way too many fans who let their dislike of his work bleed over into dislike of him as a person.
 

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The shit that gets said about Nomura is child’s play compared to the work of the Fandom Menace.
Fandom Menace?
Is that the moniker they got nowadays?
I remember back in the days when I still gave a modicum of shit about the SW fandom they were more often called prequel haters, trolls or simply OT-purists.

I've never hated the prequels despite their dialogue and pacing not exactly being top tier and personally thinking Jar Jar as a character being a waste of screentime, yet I would never dream of personally attacking any of the actors.
The general setting and premise of the prequels is actually pretty good and solid, not to mention imo that the prequels did a lot more and better world-building for the SW galaxy than even the OT and their designs, locations and aesthetics are also more diverse and visually appealing.

I'm also someone who vastly prefers (parts) of the old Legends EU of Star Wars to the new Disney-owned stuff especially when it comes to post-Episode VI material and consider the sequel trilogy even worse than the prequels (as they're essentially just a OT-rehash with new faces and escalating effects and extremes), yet here too I would never personally attack the actors who worked on it.

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Nomura has indeed been visualized as some sort of scapegoat by some severely disgruntled parts of both the FF and KH fandom yet several of the leveled accusations are either plain wrong or blown out of proportion.

Like already said though, criticizing some of the work doesn't equal automatically attacking or putting down the person.
It has been shown multiple times by now that Nomura simply either isn't that skilled or interested enough to write a long-running, coherent story that pays attention to the established lore of its own universe.
That's why he should rely on two or three co-writers and especially have some editors who help
 

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I'm sure all of the people who "legitimately" hate Nomura would kill for a moment to get his autograph and a picture.
For all my critques of KH's writing, wishing for better, and jokingly being like "Nomuraaaa!!!", there's no way I hate the dude. I don't know him and a couple of plot holes isn't worth hating someone for? I feel like that's so childish.
 

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If you like him or dislike him, as long as the content of the conversation doesn't extend to death threats or personal attacks, either perspective is fine. Criticism conducted in a way that develops and petitions for healthy conversation isn't looked at to be dismissed as simple and meritless.

My take away from this kind of conversations is for all his critics to realize that this man is/has been in charge of multiple different projects and much of his attention gets divided up working on multiple projects at once. With all due respect for most of you here that have progressed further into adulthood yourselves, you've likely encountered much of your own attention getting pulled in several directions a lot more frequently, imagine that times fifteen for Nomura.

No seriously, just imagine.
 

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Despite KH's flaws, it's my favorite series of all time. And Nomura has had a hand in a lot of my other favorite series, as well (dang, do I think he needs an editor, though. And someone to tell him "no" sometimes).

He and his writing aren't perfect, by any means. Lord knows that I can pick apart the writing in KH these days. And sometimes some of the stuff he does bothers me (like when he said he saw Sora as his enemy). Even though I don't think he was really being serious there. Even if he wasn't. I don't know if I would have said that, if I were him... but I won't get into that now. (Edit: Oh, and I will say the way he treats female characters also largely irks me, but again: I won't get into it in this thread).

More often than not, I like Nomura. I used to sort of be in the Nomura cult, but now I think I'm moreso on the middle-ground with him. I'm not madly in love with him, but I don't despise him, either.

And the hate he gets does often bother me. Especially when people don't want to do their research, and will blame him for things he had absolutely nothing to do with (like when people would blame him for the FFXIII series "being bad, when he was just a character designer there), or solely blame him for things when it was a group decision there (see FFVII Remake).

And I think it's sad, that it's gotten to a point where even he knows it's that bad, where he didn't seem to want anyone to know that he was involved with the TWEWY anime, because he didn't want it tied to him at all: to become the next "Nomura thing", for better or for worse.

At the end of the day, Nomura is just a guy. A pretty talented guy, all things considered. And it's pretty crazy that those who mean to praise him and demean him seem to make him out to be a god. I don't know.

Edit: And it does upset me some when some say he's a talentless hack when it comes to writing. When you at least look at KH1, I think you can clearly see that isn't the case. I think the issue with KH lately, is that it may be that he doesn't want to be here anymore--and is sort of forced to be here, and to make new games--and they and his mental health are suffering because of it. Alas.

...And yet I say all of this, and Nomura probably is the "star" I admire the most, and would get the most star-struck for. And the number one person I want an autograph from and picture with, yeah.
 

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Edit: And it does upset me some when some say he's a talentless hack when it comes to writing. When you at least look at KH1, I think you can clearly see that isn't the case.
This isn't as good an argument as you think. Nomura wasn't the only writer for KH1 or even the main one, he was working with Jun Akiyama, Daisuke Watanabe, and Kazushige Nojima. Comparing the earlier entries in the series to the later ones, it's clear that their writing deserves a lot of credit for bringing the ideas to life and making the story so strong.

This is where the real parallels between Nomura and George Lucas come in. When George Lucas made the original trilogy and his other classics he was just a director and was open to feedback from others to polish his movies. By the time the prequels came out he was a legendary director that nobody felt they could speak up to, even when he specifically asked for contributions from others. As a result the prequels are much less polished despite having a solid vision at their core. When Nomura was directing KH1 he was working with others, as the series has gone on they've left and now there's nobody pointing out when something isn't working.

But despite all this I do agree with you on how annoying it is to see Nomura used as a scapegoat. People seem to blame him for everything they don't like about Square Enix even when it has nothing to do with him.
 
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