The Four Path's Light , Dark , Twilight and Dawn

[Tundra Saber]

Ok here's something thats been bothering me ever since i,ve beaten KH:COM on the Riku story and ever since i,ve beatin Kingdom Hearts II and saw the secret ending (ok i'll get to the point) The Four Path's Light, Dark,Twilight and Dawn if Light and Darkness are oppisites and Twilight is a mix of Light and Darkness what is Dawn because I,m thinking Dawn is More Darkness than light for example you have the power of darkness but your not evil. Someoone help me out here

 

[TheMuffinMan]

Dawn is not a state of being, or 'path' in and of itself, it is merely another manefistation of Twilight.

The 4 Paths are Light, Darkness, Twilight, and Present. Dawn is merely a form of Twilight, just as Dusk is

Dawn is when you are Twilight, but have more Light than Darkness. Dusk is when you are Twilight, but have more Darkness than Light

 

[var1ables]

Dawn is when you are Twilight, but have more Light than Darkness. Dusk is when you are Twilight, but have more Darkness than Light

Dawn is the sunrise,dusk is sunset, so it's the opposite of what you said. Besides that I have to agree with you.

 

[TheMuffinMan]

Dawn is the Light rising from the Darkness, Dusk is the Darkness overtaking light

Thus, Dawn = More Light than Darkness, Dusk = More Darkness than light

 

[Tundra Saber]

Oh thanks guys i thought that was it but i had to get another persons thoughts...I knew it!!!

 

[Genocide]

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Dawn is the Light rising from the Darkness, Dusk is the Darkness overtaking light

Thus, Dawn = More Light than Darkness, Dusk = More Darkness than light

Yeah, but Twilight is neither Light nor Darkness. Which is why Twilight Town referred to as the world in-between.

Ok here's something thats been bothering me ever since i,ve beaten KH:COM on the Riku story and ever since i,ve beatin Kingdom Hearts II and saw the secret ending (ok i'll get to the point) The Four Path's Light, Dark,Twilight and Dawn if Light and Darkness are oppisites and Twilight is a mix of Light and Darkness what is Dawn because I,m thinking Dawn is More Darkness than light for example you have the power of darkness but your not evil. Someoone help me out here

Let's say that this > symbol is darkness
And this < is light

>|< The line in the middle is twilight

 

[TheMuffinMan]

Yeah, but Twilight is neither Light nor Darkness. Which is why Twilight Town referred to as the world in-between.

Incorrect, Twilight is not the absense of Light and Dark, it is the Presence of Both

Something of neither Darkness or Light would merely be nothing.

 

[SH_Brat]

I'm agreeing with TheMuffinMan all the way about Dawn. Dawn is just an extention of Twilight. Just as Dusk is. And Dawn is darkness in search of light and Dusk is light in search of darkness. Dawn is a little more darkness than light, but no longer wants to weild darkness. Dusk is a little more light than darkness, but no longer wants to weild light.
I'm pondering on what purified_riku155 said, though. 'Cause the Nobodies were Twilight yet they weren't of either element and Riku was Twilight but he was of both light and darkness. Maybe, Twilight is a realm of both nothing and everything. Ya' know because Twilight is of no set element.

 

[TheMuffinMan]

The Nobodies do have both Darkness and Light, though they refer to themselves as Nothing, the existance of both Darkness and Light is there.

They can disappear into portals of Darkness (Seen throughout KH2), can blind you with light (Zexion, COM), release thier darkness/crush you with it (Lexaeus, COM), control beings for Darkness (Heartless) and Twilight (Nobodies), and I'm assuming thier elemental powers and such are derived from either Light or Darkness

But at the same time, as they exist with both Light and Darkness, they do not truly exist, for they are nothing. So in the end, I think you're right, that true Twilight is both Nothing and Everything, but not necessarily in balance or harmony, which is why Present exists

 

[the king mickey]

i dont have kh2 yet but i accidently saw the wrong secret ending on youtube

but this is how i think it is



maid it myself

the good and bad knight are both men
and the dusk and dawn knight are both women (look at the bodys)

the four paths with all the keyblades
i think the four paths are

light
dark
dusk
dawn

about the knights i think its a organsation from keyblademaster with as goal to lock all world and save them from darkness

but 2 of them thinks they are to good for that and uses there powers for the evil
and the others 2 still uses there power for the good

1 of the 2 good was jealous about the dark powers
and
1of the 2 bad thought that darkness isnt the right thing(dont know how to say this right)
so they changed from good to evil and evil to good(dusk and dawn)

so anyone who thinks my theory is right?

 

[Savior of Dawn]

Dawn is merely a form of Twilight, just as Dusk is

I've preferred to view them as separate entities. Twilight is both darkness and light (Which cancel out each other, so it can be viewed as nonexistant, as the nobodies.) Dawn and Dusk are phases near Twilight, but not an actual form of twilight. There's still some light, or some dark, left. Light from darkness, darkness from light. However, I don't think Dawn or Dusk can be viewed as entirely a path by themselves. They're a minor path, inbetween Light, Darkness, and Twilight.

Light and Darkness are a given... Present.. Present is hard to define. It isn't light, darkness, nor Twilight. It's ever changing.

 

[TheMuffinMan]

If the Light and Darkness within Twilight cancel each other out, then one would assume that since they are no longer there, there would be no existance of each individual entities' powers? However as I pointed out, that is not so, seeing as both the Nobody and the Non-Existant One's hold the power to use both Darkness and Light

I don't know why, but it has always been my understanding that Present is the existance of Light, Darkness, Twilight, and all different forms of the 3, together in complete and total harmony within each other, and thusly, the Present World is where True Paradise lies

 

[Savior of Dawn]

I don't know where I heard it, but it has always been my understanding that Present is the existance of Light, Darkness, Twilight, and all different forms of the 3, together in complete and total harmony within each other

I should rephrase: "Present is everything, but nothing" It's all 3 mixed, yet none of the three, really. A type of combination that's something totally different than what the other three are.

 

[TheMuffinMan]

So are we in aggreance that Present is both the most powerful of the 4 entities, and the key to the world of True Paradise?

 

[Savior of Dawn]

So are we in aggreance that Present is both the most powerful of the 4 entities, and the key to the world of True Paradise?

Aye. A keyblade of present alliance would have to come from Kingdom Hearts. Or be the original keyblade.. Or something like that.

If the Light and Darkness within Twilight cancel each other out, then one would assume that since they are no longer there, there would be no existance of each individual entities' powers? However as I pointed out, that is not so, seeing as both the Nobody and the Non-Existant One's hold the power to use both Darkness and Light

Eh, I meant to say that it can be viewed as 'Nothing' Twilight does have the power of Darkness and Light, but in concept they are 'Nothing'. Stuck between Darkness and Light.

 

[violent_anger]

right, by SoD's definition, twilight has to be exactly half darkness, half light. my definition is that its just a mix, not completly dark and not completly light, even if it leans more to one side.

 

[Tyler Durden]

if the present is everything and nothig at the same time, wouldn't is cause destruction and rebirth, thus cancelling out what it just did? this means that no matter what present does, it fixes it, removing it from thee equation.

so present is not an active force. which means that we are left with light, darkness, and the two roads of twilight, dusk and dawn.