The Braig/Xigbar Situation Explained



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(This is a part of my "Explained" series of posts. To view my "Time Travel Explained" post, click here, to view my "The Realm of Sleep Explained" post, click here, and to view my "Heartless, Nobodies, Unversed, and Dream Eaters Explained" post, click here.)

In the 2.5 Re:coded secret ending, we see the Organization XIII members who were residents of Radiant Garden lying on the floor after being recompleted as people again. We also see Braig, who is not lying on the floor like the rest of them. He presumably woke up before them. (We know this 2.5 secret ending takes place after Re:coded and before Dream Drop Distance because Ienzo is an adult in this cutscene. There is a cutscene in the beginning of Dream Drop Distance that shows Even and Ienzo on the floor turning into Heartless/Nobodies and Ienzo is a little kid in that cutscene, so we know the 2.5 secret ending takes place after Re:coded because we know Ienzo grew up as an adult while he was a Nobody.)

In Dream Drop Distance, we see Xigbar. It is implied that this is actually Braig, not Xigbar and he's just going by the name Xigbar for some reason (most likely because of the Recusant's Sigil in that name). If this is the same recompleted Braig that we saw in the 2.5 Re:coded secret ending, then how come he has long hair again, how come he has gray in his hair again? It would not make sense for him to just all of a sudden change appearance and grow hair that quickly. Is this actually Xigbar and not Braig, and they were just implying that it was Braig just to trick us? If it's Xigbar, then that can either mean that he was brought to the present day from time travel, or that can mean that Young Xehanort turned the recompleted Braig back into a Nobody for some reason (maybe he's stronger as a Nobody?).

Also, do people keep their appearances that they had as Nobodies when they turn back into people, or are they reverted to how they looked before they were turned into Nobodies? This is very unclear. It seems that some parts of them did keep their appearance and some parts of them didn't for some reason. Ienzo, Lea, and Isa aged as Nobodies and kept their ages when they turned back into people. Lea lost the markings under his eyes when he became a person again though for some reason.

From what we know, this is how it is: You are reverted back to how you looked before you became a Nobody, but you keep your age. For example, Lea was reverted to how he looked before he became a Nobody which is why he lost the markings under his eyes, but he still looks older because he kept his age.

There are some people who think that the 2.5 Re:coded secret ending takes place way back in-between BBS and KH1, but that is simply not true as proved above.

There are some people who think that the Xigbar in DDD is actually the recompleted Braig and the Braig in the 2.5 secret ending is the one who's a time traveler. That is simply not true. As stated above, it wouldn't make sense for the Xigbar in DDD to have long hair if he was actually Braig and it wouldn't make sense for the Braig in the 2.5 secret ending to be the time traveler because he's at the spot where he was just recompleted.

So, this is what we know so far and is so far the absolute truth: The Braig in the 2.5 Re:coded secret ending is Braig after he was just recompleted as a person again. The Xigbar we see in Dream Drop Distance is either one of these two things: He's either a time traveling Xigbar that Young Xehanort brought to the present time, or he is the recompleted Braig that Young Xehanort turned back into a Nobody for some reason. It is currently unconfirmed which of these two things is the answer. If he is a time traveling Xigbar, then that means that Xigbar and Braig are both alive and in the present day at the same time. If Braig was turned back into Xigbar, then that means Xigbar is the only one who is alive and in the present day. We also know that when you are recompleted as a person again, you are reverted to how you looked before you became a Nobody, which is why Lea lost the markings under his eyes, and is why Dilan's hairstyle was reverted back to how it was before he became a Nobody, and is why Braig's hair turned shorter again and lost the gray in it. We also know though that you age as a Nobody and you keep your age that you grew to when you turn back into a person.

I made this post to hopefully clear things up for some people because I have seen countless people who seem to be confused about this topic and who have been spreading false information. This was difficult to explain, so hopefully I explained it well and it makes sense. If you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer them.
 
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Just to add to this, the new secret ending of 2.5's Re:coded, Destiny, actually plays shortly before the DDD cutscene "Lea Awakens", which is happening at the end of La Cité des Cloches.

I personally think the confusion is simply caused by the fact that we don't know why both Braig and his Nobody appear in DDD shortly after one another. Since he was already 'norted in BBS, there doesn't seem to be a reason to go back to being Xigbar, hence the reasoning we always see the same person and Square Enix was just too lazy to create another model.

Either way, there probably is a very good reason both of them appear on screen, it's just that DDD doesn't provide a satisfying explanation here (among many other places in the story) too.
 

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As for Xigbar, that's also how Young Xehanort calls him in the final stretch of DDD, meaning maybe that was indeed Xigbar.
I mean, we assume he should be Braig, given he was already a Nort as a human but actually nothing really supports that: Xemnas is a Nobody who was already a Nort and yet he's there too.

Another confusing factor is that Lea calls his assailant Isa, but who knows if that was Saix or Isa. They did call by their original name even back in Days when they were Nobodeis, so maybe Lea was just being dramatic or something.
It honestly only makes sense that "Isa" is actually still Saix, since it was probably the Nobody who was injected with Xehanort's heart.
And Braig is also still Xigbar for some reasons too (the X in the name makes him more easy to manipulate, or maybe a Nobody is stronger than a normal human?)

In short: maybe they're actually still Nobodies.
 

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why is the kh fandom always stuck in the same loops

2.5's ending credits refer to Braig as Xigbar as well. It's a name to show his allegiance, not whether or not he is currently a Nobody.
 
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That doesn't explain his appearance change.
It wasn't meant to. I was mostly responding to Darkos.

Honestly, I am of the belief that they simply didn't want to make a new model for a two minute cutscene in a low-budget HD collection, whether because of time, money, or the belief that most people wouldn't really notice/care and thus it wasn't worth the time/money. 2.5 Braig = DDD Xigbar. Isa = DDD Isa. They are both their recompleted forms. There are no doubles of them both in the new Organization (like do we really expect 1/3rd of the Organization to be made up of Saixes and Xigbars?). They go by their Recusant names because they are in allegiance with Xehanort. Basic narrative structure says that the person who attacks Lea in the end is the recompleted Isa. Nomura has suggested that Xigbar in DDD is the recompleted self. The 2.5 scene was largely to answer the mystery "why weren't braig and isa there when lea woke up" while simultaneously adding the new mystery behind Xehanort's Keyblade. Aside from Xehanort's Keyblade, Nomura is unlikely to ever revisit this scene again.

That's my stance. But this has been discussed over and over since 2.5 came out, so I'm not terribly invested in defending it anymore. And the truth is no one will know for certain either way until KH3 comes out anyway lol.
 
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So, this is what we know so far and is so far the absolute truth: The Braig in the 2.5 Re:coded secret ending is Braig after he was just recompleted as a person again. The Xigbar we see in Dream Drop Distance is either one of these two things: He's either a time traveling Xigbar that Young Xehanort brought to the present time, or he is the recompleted Braig that Young Xehanort turned back into a Nobody for some reason. It is currently unconfirmed which of these two things is the answer.
Neither. The Xigbar we see in DDD is human and is using his Nobody name. Nomura confirmed in the Ultimaniam that Xigbar and Saïx are humans.

KH3D Ultimania said:
— Xigbar and Saix appeared as members of Organisation XIII. Did they return as humans like Lea and the others?
Nomura: The conditions of becoming a human have been met, so you’d think they had returned, wouldn't you?
See. It's that simple.

I made this post to hopefully clear things up for some people because I have seen countless people who seem to be confused about this topic and who have been spreading false information.
Like what? I'm curious.

That doesn't explain his appearance change.
Square just didn't make a new model for Braig for whatever reason. Maybe they didn't have time or budget for it.
Think of how Ventus doesn't seem to age in the four years between the day he came to the Land of Departure and BBS's events. It's the same thing.

For some reason, Square really didn't want to have the apprentices wearing the black coats after recompleting, despite having no problem with and Isa wearing them. That's the only reason they used the BBS model, and the only reason this confusion exists. Seriously Square, was it so bad for him to be wearing the coat?
 

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I was merely hypotesizing something trying to answer the appearance change with something more of the usual "they didn't want to".

I don't recall ever saying there were going to be multiple Saix or Xigbar in the Organization, btw.
I also didn't see anything that could disprove the fact that they're Nobodies (in-game, I mean).
Master Xehanort is there, but so are Ansem and Xemnas.
It's not the case, but Nobody Xigbar could've been there as much as human Xigbar.
 

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It wasn't meant to. I was mostly responding to Darkos.

Honestly, I am of the belief that they simply didn't want to make a new model for a two minute cutscene in a low-budget HD collection
I thought this as well, until I realized that the 2.5 Re:coded secret ending was made after DDD, so they wouldn't need to make a new model, they'd just use his one from DDD.
 

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By new model I mean one that combines Braig and Xigbar's designs (such as Xigbar's appearance in Braig's clothes). Like, they make a point of having the recompleted selves wake up in their old clothes, so a recompleted Braig would have to wake up in his BBS clothes. So they simply used his BBS model. When really, to avoid confusion, they should have made a new model that combined the BBS clothes with Xigbar's appearance in DDD.
 

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See. It's that simple.

Umm...did you even read what he said? He didn't say "Yes, they returned as humans", he said "The conditions of becoming a human have been met, so you’d think they had returned, wouldn't you?" This isn't a direct answer at all. I interpreted it as him being purposefully mysterious and purposefully not answering it directly. It sounds like he's saying that they didn't return as humans, but it appears like they should have.

Like what? I'm curious.
Like what you literally just did.

Square just didn't make a new model for Braig for whatever reason.
The 2.5 Re:coded secret ending was made after they made Dream Drop Distance. DDD came out in 2012 and 2.5 came out in 2014. They wouldn't need to use a new model, they could just use his DDD one. This was obviously done deliberately for some reason.
 

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I personally like not to play the "Nomura was perhaps lying" card, just because it's not really a valid point, although he has a good record of being (purposedly or not) misleading with his answers.
I can't rule out there might be more to this, but for now I will abide to what he said and count Xigbar as a complete human, just because I don't have another answer of equal authority.
 

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Umm...did you even read what he said? He didn't say "Yes, they returned as humans", he said "The conditions of becoming a human have been met, so you’d think they had returned, wouldn't you?" This isn't a direct answer at all. I interpreted it as him being purposefully mysterious and purposefully not answering it directly. It sounds like he's saying that they didn't return as humans, but it appears like they should have.
The way he answers is a very common answer pattern in Japan. Japanese people speak indirectly A LOT. Like saying "perhaps" when they mean "no". Even in their grammar you can speak of something without explicitly referring to it. Context analysis is very used in Japan.
He's not directly saying they returned as humans, but the way he worded the question implies they did. Again, typical Japanese indirectness, which is different from Nomura indirectness. If they weren't humans he would have worded the question in a different way.

Like what you literally just did.
You mean providing citations to what I'm saying?

The 2.5 Re:coded secret ending was made after they made Dream Drop Distance. DDD came out in 2012 and 2.5 came out in 2014. They wouldn't need to use a new model, they could just use his DDD one. This was obviously done deliberately for some reason.
Yes, to have him returning in the clothes he wore at the time he became a Nobody. Like everyone else except Lea and Isa.
Pay attention, when all of us are talking about a "new model", we mean Xigbar's head in the BBS body. They didn't want to because it would cost money to do, which they probably didn't have since they were working on a low budget.
 
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