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wouldnt anyone connnected to xehanort be able to travel to any point in time that xehanort exists in.....? or can only one person travel through time at a time
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Nomura is the world's greatest troll.Xion?? i would hope not, but Nomura can do anything with this game so we never really know.I believe the 13th spot will go to Vanitas. if Ventus wakes up in KH3 im thinking Vanitas will too and join the 13.
Sora still could be used as the thirteenth vessel as Yen Sid said that there were seven fragments of light, which I thought were the Seven Princesses of Hearts. So, if it is going by this way, Sora, Mickey, Riku, Lea, Kairi, Aqua, Ventus, Roxas and Xion, that would mean that would be nine people protecting Kingdom Hearts as the seven fragments of light. If you take Sora and Ventus out that only leaves seven. So, if Ventus and Sora are the thirteenth member that would complicate things as two can't have the same number, right?Nomura is the world's greatest troll.
As for Vanitas being #13: I can agree he is a Darkness, but that he isn't going to be #13. He is probably one of the hooded figures already in Where Nothing Gathers, time traveled to the present by YX (That scene in La Cité des Cloches where Vanitas appears next to YX could have been YX bringing Vanitas to WNG. He just decided to make a pit stop and talk to Sora). This means he is VI, VIII, IX, X, XI, or XII on my list (Saïx/Isa took back his #VII spot).
I'm betting he's VIII, seeing as that used to be the seat of Axel-who was the Organization's Assassin. I can see Vanitas serving a similar role for the Darknesses.
This still leaves XIII open.
wouldnt anyone connnected to xehanort be able to travel to any point in time that xehanort exists in.....? or can only one person travel through time at a time
If Vanitas wants to travel to the present, his own heart has to exist within a physical body. There's plenty of room for speculation here, given how he both discarded his body and had his heart even more destroyed than Ven's.Nomura is the world's greatest troll.
As for Vanitas being #13: I can agree he is a Darkness, but that he isn't going to be #13. He is probably one of the hooded figures already in Where Nothing Gathers, time traveled to the present by YX (That scene in La Cité des Cloches where Vanitas appears next to YX could have been YX bringing Vanitas to WNG. He just decided to make a pit stop and talk to Sora). This means he is VI, VIII, IX, X, XI, or XII on my list (Saïx/Isa took back his #VII spot).
I'm betting he's VIII, seeing as that used to be the seat of Axel-who was the Organization's Assassin. I can see Vanitas serving a similar role for the Darknesses.
This still leaves XIII open.
Well, it could be that Vanitas already had something planned. Remember his appearance took on Sora's from KH2 in BBS once Ven connected his heart to Sora's. So, perhaps Ven's heart isn't the only one resting in Sora's and possibly Vanitas is lurking somewhere still in Ven's waiting to take control. After all, they both came from the same body. What's to say he can't take control?If Vanitas wants to travel to the present, his own heart has to exist within a physical body. There's plenty of room for speculation here, given how he both discarded his body and had his heart even more destroyed than Ven's.
Vanitas was destroyed at the end of BBS. Ventus rejected their fusion and destroyed the X-blade which led to the near-destruction of their hearts, as Vanitas warned before the fight. So if anything Vanitas should have been at least in the same bad shape as Ventus was in the end (if not even worse, cuz you know he actually lost that battle and Ven cut him a new one with his Wayward Wind), so he should not be capable of taking another vessel on his own.Well, that doesn't mean that Vanitas could have taken another vessel after his fight with Ven in BBS. Plus, since Riku and Sora were inside of a dream in KH3D, many of the members we saw could have just been dream versions of each of the members.
I'm actually confused. How was The World That Never Was set in the real world? Wasn't that world still asleep?Vanitas was destroyed at the end of BBS. Ventus rejected their fusion and destroyed the X-blade which led to the near-destruction of their hearts, as Vanitas warned before the fight. So if anything Vanitas should have been at least in the same bad shape as Ventus was in the end (if not even worse, cuz you know he actually lost that battle and Ven cut him a new one with his Wayward Wind), so he should not be capable of taking another vessel on his own.
Actually, the World that never was in the end of Dream Drop Distance and everything that took place after Riku defeated Ansem, Seeker of Darkness, was in the real world, not the Dream realm.
The gathering of the new Organisation took place in the real world.
The World that never was is not one of the seven worlds that needs to be awakened. Worlds that are already awake can also dream, and Sora was inside an induced dream about The World thatt never was instead of the real thing while Riku was INSIDE Sora's dream.I'm actually confused. How was The World That Never Was set in the real world? Wasn't that world still asleep?
It is confusing.I'm actually confused. How was The World That Never Was set in the real world? Wasn't that world still asleep?
Not exactly, I tried to make it in as few steps as possible above, but lets see if I get it even shorter:Yeah, it's still puzzling. So, Sora was trapped inside the World That Never Was' reality while Riku was in the World That Never Was' dream?
Thanks for clarifying that.Not exactly, I tried to make it in as few steps as possible above, but lets see if I get it even shorter:
Sora:
1. arrives first at the REAL TWTNW.
2. is sent to sleep by Young Xehanort, everything after this Sora experiences is a dream.
3. His conversations with Young Xehanort and the Traverse Town with many Sora's is the first Dream layer. (the one where Riku is as well).
4. All the encounters with the people in torment (Naminé, Xion, Roxas and Ventus) is in the second Dream layer.
5. Sora does not wake up until the tea party in Yen Sid's tower at the end.
Riku:
1. arrives frist at Sora's dream TWTNW (first dream layer)
2. Defeats Ansem inside Sora's dreams and comes to the real World that never was.
3. The whole stuff in the throne room happens.
No issue, as it is often with this series, you don't get that information straight out of the game itself but from the Ultimania guide book, which is always Japan-only. <__<Thanks for clarifying that.
Knowing MX, he'll probably keep an eye an Sora, so long as Sora's burden of the torment he carries threatens the safety of his own self-awareness. That being said, the 13th vessel will almost surely be someone else.So true, but regarding the issue of this third. Will Sora or perhaps someone else become the thirteenth Nobody? I mean, Master Xehanort set his eyes on Sora since Roxas was the thirteenth member of the Organization prior.