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Ok, this may have been discussed before, but there has been so much chatter in the last few days it is hard to keep up with everyones' posts in the amount of time that I have.

I remember when Birth By Sleep came out, everyone was making an issue over whether or not Lea's tattoos were significant in his character. I was just wondering if anyone had any speculation on why the the Lea/Axel in DDD has no tattoos. I know it's not a very important issue, but what can I say, Kingdom Hearts nerds gotta have all the answers.
 

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the teardrops? maybe because he's not a nobody anymore.

or maybe because he doesnt work for Xemnas anymore and Xemnas was his stylist who had purple makeup/ink XD
 

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It's probably just to help show that he's Lea now and not Axel. Lea didn't have the teardrop marks and Axel did. Since he still pretty much looks like Axel the lack of tattoos is supposed to help us recognize the difference I guess.
 

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It's probably just to help show that he's Lea now and not Axel. Lea didn't have the teardrop marks and Axel did. Since he still pretty much looks like Axel the lack of tattoos is supposed to help us recognize the difference I guess.

Good point, I didn't want to over-analyze, but if it was a big deal during the pre-BBS time, it might have mattered now.
 
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Well, outside of the game, the tattoos were probably there to represent that he was the same "character type" as Reno.

As for why he had them and why he might not have them anymore:

Maybe he had that Organization moogle make that weapon for him.

As for the teardrop scars, they aren't really scars. They're more likely to be tattoos for this reason:

Teardrop Tattoo Meanings

Teardrop tattoo is mostly associated with prisoners, convicts, *gangsters, thugs, suffering or the loss of a loved one. But for every *individual, a teardrop tattoo may mean something else depending upon the *location of his teardrop tattoo and as a symbol it will be treated the *same way. Sometimes a teardrop tattoo may symbolize the membership of a *gang. Teardrop tattoos in prison signify the number of killings the *wearer has in his criminal record. It is a tattoo that is also inked for *every five years of hard suffering time a person has served in prison.

Teardrop tattoo may also indicate that a person has murdered someone in *his/her life inside or outside the prison. Although teardrop tattoos *have multiple meanings, most of the teardrop tattoos that we see in *mainstream culture today imply that the wearer has killed someone.

Teardrop Tattoo Meaning in Australia
In Australian prisons, teardrop tattoos had a tradition behind them. In *fact you will be surprised to know that the first ever teardrop tattoo, *the original one, was found in Australia. Teardrop tattoos were forcibly *inked among Australian prisoners on their inmates for serving time in *the prison for being child molesters and sexual abusers. When an inmate *in an Australian prison was about to be incarcerated for his crime, *other inmates would forcibly place a teardrop tattoo under right eye as *it gets visible as these prisoners used to be on the left side of their *prison cell. But this act is very rare in Australian prisons lately.

Teardrop Tattoo Meaning in United States
In the U.S, the meaning of a teardrop tattoo has changed drastically *over certain span of time. The Australian prison tradition was carried *forward to American prisoners too. Initially, teardrop tattoos were used *to show that a person was incarcerated for murdering someone. If the *reason behind getting inked was this, the teardrop would represent a *feeling of deep regret for that act and the prisoners would get such *tattoo after leaving the prison.

But at the same time in the United States, the people in civil world *(outside prison world) got inked with this teardrop tattoo design and *had a wholly different reason for getting one. The teardrop tattoo, at *that very same time, also meant the loss of a loved one. American men *would usually get inked with teardrop tattoo to symbolize loss of their *wives or a family member. Hence, the teardrop tattoo, ever since then, *started being a symbol of remembrance and memorial.

Teardrop Tattoo Under Eye Meaning

As I have mentioned earlier, the meaning of teardrop tattoo also depends *upon the color and location of the teardrop. If the teardrop tattoo is *just in the form of an outline, it implies that a friend of the wearer *was killed. If a teardrop tattoo is coloured inside the outline, it *represents that the wearer's friend has been killed and the wearer has *taken revenge of his friend's death.

An empty tear thus symbolizes that a loved one has been killed or the *wearer has successfully shot someone else. A filled teardrop tattoo *represents that a loved one has committed suicide or was killed by some *cause other than a murder. It could be an accident or a death penalty. A *teardrop tattoo on face *with an empty top and a full bottom symbolizes that the wearer has *taken a revenge of the murder of a loved one. An empty teardrop tattoo *on face also symbolizes a person's time served in prison, which is *usually a year at least. Teardrop tattoo can also be inked as a *remembrance of a loved one who passed away while the wearer was *incarcerated. Today, a lot of celebrities in the mainstream like Lil' *Wayne and Amy Winehouse have gotten themselves inked with teardrop *tattoos and there are many fancy styles in which you can design a *teardrop tattoo for yourself and strategically place it near the corner *of the eye or on the cheek bones, and they would seem to be real tears.

Whatever could be the debate and the controversy about getting inked *with a teardrop tattoo, it certainly has a deep meaning for the one who *wears it, and should not be looked down otherwise. Today, since tattoos *have become a fashion statement amongst youth all over the world, a *teardrop tattoo can be inked purely for fashion and decorative purposes.

^ All of the above could have something to do as to why Lea no longer has his teardrop tattoos.

Gonna speculate Isa is alive and so they don't need to be there?

Or the simple reason: He's not a Nobody anymore so for us to recognize that, the tattoos are gone.
 

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Well, outside of the game, the tattoos were probably there to represent that he was the same "character type" as Reno.

As for why he had them and why he might not have them anymore:



Gonna speculate Isa is alive and so they don't need to be there?

Or the simple reason: He's not a Nobody anymore so for us to recognize that, the tattoos are gone.
So Axel became a child molester? I knew his pedo relationship with two underaged children while breaking up his former friendship was simply too good to be true!
 

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Perhaps the tear drops were to show what his lack of heart could not... As a "normal" Nobody, Axel remembers his past and thus remembers what it was like to have a heart and feelings, so like I said, they are probably to show that he was (or would be if he had a heart) sad that he no longer feels anything
 

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reading ethy's post about the teardrops, maybe it was beacause isa was somewhat brainwashed by xemnas, (gold eye relation) bascally killing his old self.

axel couldve gotten revenge by turning on the org and helping sora, but he had the teardrops before that.. maybe something happened before...
 

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No, a scar is part of the body, while a tattoo is not and can be removed
But Isa didn't have his scar before becoming a Nobody, as far as we know, which is I think where the confusion might come in. Technically, he should still have it because Saix was occupying his body, but then to see that Axel doesn't have his tattoos gives the impression that Somebodies will be restored to the state their bodies were in prior to becoming Nobodies. Yes, Axel could have simply gotten his tattoos removed, but the question becomes when he took the time to go do that and why.

Do you think Braig's scar and burned eye should be repaired too? *sarcasm*
Braig gained his scars before his Nobody was born so I don't think anyone would make that argument.
 

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But Isa didn't have his scar before becoming a Nobody, as far as we know, which is I think where the confusion might come in. Technically, he should still have it because Saix was occupying his body, but then to see that Axel doesn't have his tattoos gives the impression that Somebodies will be restored to the state their bodies were in prior to becoming Nobodies. Yes, Axel could have simply gotten his tattoos removed, but the question becomes when he took the time to go do that and why.


Braig gained his scars before his Nobody was born so I don't think anyone would make that argument.

Exactly, thank you very much.
 

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But Isa didn't have his scar before becoming a Nobody, as far as we know, which is I think where the confusion might come in. Technically, he should still have it because Saix was occupying his body, but then to see that Axel doesn't have his tattoos gives the impression that Somebodies will be restored to the state their bodies were in prior to becoming Nobodies. Yes, Axel could have simply gotten his tattoos removed, but the question becomes when he took the time to go do that and why.

You say that as if Saix is a completely different person that Isa, Saix is simply what was left of Isa after he lost his heart, not a completely different person...

He had more than enough time between his death and the events of DDD to remove some tattoos, as to why, I believe he put the tattoos on to show what his lack of heart couldn't, the sadness of it's loss... Now that he's a somebody again he has his heart, and no more sadness... May not be what it is, but it makes since enough to go with it until something else makes more since
 

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You say that as if Saix is a completely different person that Isa, Saix is simply what was left of Isa after he lost his heart, not a completely different person...
Actually, I said the exact opposite by specifying that Saix inhabited Isa's body. The speculation is that it's possible, though not likely, that when a Somebody is restored, their body is restored to the way it was before they became Nobodies. I don't even believe that to be the case, but I can see how people might find the whole process confusing.
 

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But Isa didn't have his scar before becoming a Nobody, as far as we know, which is I think where the confusion might come in. Technically, he should still have it because Saix was occupying his body, but then to see that Axel doesn't have his tattoos gives the impression that Somebodies will be restored to the state their bodies were in prior to becoming Nobodies. Yes, Axel could have simply gotten his tattoos removed, but the question becomes when he took the time to go do that and why.


Braig gained his scars before his Nobody was born so I don't think anyone would make that argument.
But how do we know that? Time has passed since BBS to when they became Nobodies, since Lea and Isa are easily 5 years older than they were in BBS. Isa could have gotten that scar anytime after BBS up until he became a Nobody
 

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