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(SPOILERS) KINGDOM HEARTS X[chi] - Seeds of Hope



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Hold on a second, if Ava is derived from the word Greed, surely her ultimate motive is out of greed? A part of me feels as though the whole "travel like Dandelions" procedure with 20 Keyblade Wielders is a means of depleting members from other Unions so that Ava/Vulpeus have the upper hand in the collection of Lux?
 

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subbed videos added to the OP it is 4 am goodbye world

lol thanks Sign. :] Visuals add to the drama emanating from the text. xP :thumbsup:

Hold on a second, if Ava is derived from the word Greed, surely her ultimate motive is out of greed? A part of me feels as though the whole "travel like Dandelions" procedure with 20 Keyblade Wielders is a means of depleting members from other Unions so that Ava/Vulpeus have the upper hand in the collection of Lux?
That's an interesting take. Perhaps she wants to be the victor of the Keyblade War, even if the world will be consumed anyways...?

Edit:

The top of the tower is the Foreteller's room, the same room we see in glorious 3D and HD in Back Cover. o3o
 

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That's an interesting take. Perhaps she wants to be the victor of the Keyblade War, even if the world will be consumed anyways...?

Truth be told, I think all the Foretellers are equally greedy. It just so happens that Ava/Vulpeus has the upper hand right now. Kairi's Grandma did state that the greed for the light entered darkness into the worlds.
 

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Truth be told, I think all the Foretellers are equally greedy. It just so happens that Ava/Vulpeus has the upper hand right now. Kairi's Grandma did state that the greed for the light entered darkness into the worlds.

So maybe Ava was the drop that spilled the cup. Maybe the Keyblade War was an inevitable event, but Ava accelerated it.

...or perhaps Ava is secretly the Master of Masters and she has been enacting her plan to plunge the world into darkness all this time?

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The [Player] making the decision of not joining the dandelions makes sense. That way, the writers can avoid making a cannon representation of him/her.

Edit, 2:

After watching the last scene, I kinda concur with Master Spock about KHUx being the dream version of KHx. Perhaps KHx's ending is directly leading into KHUx...?
 
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The Foretellers' names are all derived from the Latin words for the seven deadly sins.

Ava- Avaritia- Greed
Ace- Acedia- Sloth
Invi- Invidia- Envy
Gula- Gula- Gluttony
Ira- Ira- Wrath

In reply to the remainder of Vaddix's post, i have figured out one
possibility.

we're missing Pride (Superbia) and Lust (Luxuria)

What is the main aim of the player, emphasised on in the beginning of the game. In KHx we are told to collect Lux, the fragments of light held by the Heartless. Considering that everyone wants them, as it is the driving force behind the Factions, it ties into your discovery rather well.
 

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The Foretellers' names are all derived from the Latin words for the seven deadly sins.

Ava- Avaritia- Greed
Ace- Acedia- Sloth
Invi- Invidia- Envy
Gula- Gula- Gluttony
Ira- Ira- Wrath

In reply to the remainder of Vaddix's post, i have figured out one
possibility.

we're missing Pride (Superbia) and Lust (Luxuria)

What is the main aim of the player, emphasised on in the beginning of the game. In KHx we are told to collect Lux, the fragments of light held by the Heartless. Considering that everyone wants them, as it is the driving force behind the Factions, it ties into your discovery rather well.

Could the Master of the Hircus (goat) Union be the pride deadly sin? Possibly named Superbia?
 

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I've been so distracted by Unchained I haven't really been here.

Now let's see what happens in this upd-
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Skuld: This is all happening too fast…

You're telling me!

I, uh, wow. Okay, uh jeez where to start?
FIVE MONTHS! The original Chi is ending in five months. I was surprised by that but I feel I really shouldn't be considering 2.8 (and therefor Back Cover) is coming later this year (and I'll guess November since I'm thinking it. Two months after the shutdown and Final Fantasy XV sounds about right.)

Player giving I speech while Dearly Beloved plays. ;~;

Ava gathering "dandelions."

This is all so much to take in.

Dandelions....
I didn't think much of it when dandelions first showed up, but this talk of seeds made me think of Xehanort, though it's different from what he's doing.
 

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Hold on a second, if Ava is derived from the word Greed, surely her ultimate motive is out of greed? A part of me feels as though the whole "travel like Dandelions" procedure with 20 Keyblade Wielders is a means of depleting members from other Unions so that Ava/Vulpeus have the upper hand in the collection of Lux?
Eh, I wouldn't say that the Foretellers' natures necessarily reflect the sin that their name and animal represents. So far, I haven't seen anything that made Ursus look particularly lazy, or Leopardos exceptionally gluttonous.
 

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I've been so distracted by Unchained I haven't really been here.

Now let's see what happens in this upd-
Mulan-Pouring-Tea.gif



Skuld: This is all happening too fast…

You're telling me!

I, uh, wow. Okay, uh jeez where to start?
FIVE MONTHS! The original Chi is ending in five months. I was surprised by that but I feel I really shouldn't be considering 2.8 (and therefor Back Cover) is coming later this year (and I'll guess November since I'm thinking it. Two months after the shutdown and Final Fantasy XV sounds about right.)

Player giving I speech while Dearly Beloved plays. ;~;

Ava gathering "dandelions."

This is all so much to take in.

Dandelions....
I didn't think much of it when dandelions first showed up, but this talk of seeds made me think of Xehanort, though it's different from what he's doing.
I want to learn more about all this. I NEED TO LEARN MORE.
 

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I think they'd be Lust, as in the lust for power and knowledge that drives one to bring the world to war
But like one of the members stated: perhaps Lux we collect is actually supposed to signify that: lust.

Player giving I speech while Dearly Beloved plays. ;~;
It was pretty emotional. And I think that's another variation of Dearly Beloved we haven't heard, too. It sounds very melancholic. ;^;

I didn't think much of it when dandelions first showed up, but this talk of seeds made me think of Xehanort, though it's different from what he's doing.
Maybe this is where Xehanort got his idea of seeding from.
 

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that delovey beloved does sounds new i wonder if we going that dearly beloved for backcover or 2.8 in general?
 
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I guess X(chi) will end with the Keyblade war destroying everything and you proceed to do things in Unchained then? Hmm, sounds very interesting. I also think that the kids Ava is collecting might be the ones who will end up being the one`s whose light rebuild the world as it`s know today.

Man, things are getting really, really interesting.
 

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I guess X(chi) will end with the Keyblade war destroying everything and you proceed to do things in Unchained then? Hmm, sounds very interesting. I also think that the kids Ava is collecting might be the ones who will end up being the one`s whose light rebuild the world as it`s know today.

Is Skuld among these characters Ava is collecting? If so, I did some research and her name is derived from a valkyrie in Norse mythology. Apparently, she is part of a group of three that affect events in the world, with Skuld affecting the future. Perhaps this could foreshadow a greater role towards the end of chi? That would certainly add some credence to your theory. :)
 

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Is Skuld among these characters Ava is collecting? If so, I did some research and her name is derived from a valkyrie in Norse mythology. Apparently, she is part of a group of three that affect events in the world, with Skuld affecting the future. Perhaps this could foreshadow a greater role towards the end of chi? That would certainly add some credence to your theory. :)

Yes. Skuld is part of the group of chosen Keyblade Wielders to become Lady Ava's dandelions. The [Player], on the other hands, decides to stay to fight alongside his/her fellow Union members.
 

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This type of stuff gets me re-excited for the KH3 plot. They really seem to be rebuilding a solid foundation that seemed to be damaged a bit after DDD.
 

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Dang it, Extra! I was just about to say that about Skuld, but you totally ninja'd me. Haha:)

Anyway, as for Ava's greed... I'd have to say it's that she didn't let the Keyblade die--and even seemed to think it, and its wielders, were needed in the next world--and by doing that, she allowed the weapon that caused all of the problems we see here to pass over, and now the world's about to be destroyed in KHIII, probably.

She should've just forgotten about the Keyblade entirely. Which sounds harsh, because then that probably means she should've just let everybody die--because I don't think we've seen a way that someone can give up their Keyblade yet?

Or, at the very least, she should have told them to not keep up the Master and Apprentice thing:

That way the Keyblade wouldn't have been passed onto anyone again (though her dandelions would've been there to rebuild the lost world with the light of their hearts still), and the Masters wouldn't have been able to spread their prejudice and ideas to pupils, who ended up furthering their views into conflicts with each other.

Also, I still think Ava could be the Master of Masters. I know that Chirithy said "...My Master, he who created me", but now that we know that Vulpeus has illusion powers and has changed her appearance before (even pretending to be some of the guy foretellers in this very mission!), I'm not ruling anything out. LOL.
 

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Yes. Skuld is part of the group of chosen Keyblade Wielders to become Lady Ava's dandelions. The [Player], on the other hands, decides to stay to fight alongside his/her fellow Union members.
for now though he weright if he stayed or leave but i think he will leave since unahined x is an extenion of kingdom hearts x
 

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Dang it, Extra! I was just about to say that about Skuld, but you totally ninja'd me. Haha:)

Also, I still think Ava could be the Master of Masters. I know that Chirithy said "...My Master, he who created me", but now that we know that Vulpeus has illusion powers and has changed her appearance before (even pretending to be some of the guy foretellers in this very mission!), I'm not ruling anything out. LOL.

In reply to the first part, I certainly try to be the master of timing :biggrin:

One part I'm particularly interested in is what Chirithy said.

...My Master, he who created me

I did a bit of research, and he can technically be used to replace an ambiguous gender (i.e unaware of the person's gender). Perhaps, while Chirithy saw his master's face, he could not identify things like gender or distinct facial features. If I saw a face straight after I was born, I certainly could not identify it later on.
 
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