[SPOILER] Full Back Cover in English!!!!

[U.N. Owen]

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The Master of Masters is pretty much Darth Bane. He pits the orders against each other, passes his knowledge and power to his apprentice, and then has the apprentice pass it down. He's a nicer and funnier Darth Bane.

 

[BlackOsprey]

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The Master of Masters is pretty much Darth Bane. He pits the orders against each other, passes his knowledge and power to his apprentice, and then has the apprentice pass it down. He's a nicer and funnier Darth Bane.

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Yeah, but Darth Bane's a Sith Lord. And from what I remember about those, Sith Lords pit their followers against eachother so they can choose their apprentice, the last man standing. This doesn't seem to be what the Master of Masters is doing, so why is he going through with all this trouble...?

 

[kirabook]

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As for what their actual relationships are by the end, I'm inclined to follow your assessment although I think how Aced and Ira view Ava is subject to debate.

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Yeah, I left out what they personally think of Ava because... it's very strange. It's clear they can't push themselves to hurt her (Aced's case), but it doesn't seem like they're very pleased with her either. Except Invi and Gula, Gula who understands her reluctance to help him and Invi who learns of Ava's role and accepts her actions/opinions. I think she still sees all of them as her friends and tries to stop them from fighting, but it's not working. She's not the mediator and she's too passive on what's going on. It's in her nature.

Ava doesn't go against the Master's teachings until the end, where she leads the non-dandelions in her union into battle when I'm sure the Master probably intended for her to lead the dandelions all the way, meaning, not participating in the battle. Who can say.

Invi too seems like she was trying to keep the balance, but when Aced attacked, she too seems to have given up on her role.

 

[Sephiroth0812]

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Yeah, I left out what they personally think of Ava because... it's very strange. It's clear they can't push themselves to hurt her (Aced's case), but it doesn't seem like they're very pleased with her either. Except Invi and Gula, Gula who understands her reluctance to help him and Invi who learns of Ava's role and accepts her actions/opinions. I think she still sees all of them as her friends and tries to stop them from fighting, but it's not working. She's not the mediator and she's too passive on what's going on. It's in her nature.

Ava doesn't go against the Master's teachings until the end, where she leads the non-dandelions in her union into battle when I'm sure the Master probably intended for her to lead the dandelions all the way, meaning, not participating in the battle. Who can say.

Invi too seems like she was trying to keep the balance, but when Aced attacked, she too seems to have given up on her role.

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In Aced's case I theorize that maybe he finally realized how close he was to truly "succumbing to Darkness" (i.e. similar to Luke in Return of the Jedi) and he had still enough dignity left to restrain himself there. Note also how when he speaks with Ira in the scene afterwards while he's still seething with rage at Gula's "betrayal" of keeping the Lost page from them (which I just realize was what I theorized from the get go, that Aced and Gula would work together first and then break apart when Aced learns about Gula having the Lost page, lol) and claiming he'd never forgive him for that, he doesn't articulate any further desire to eliminate Gula completely.
Later on though in Browser-Chi, at the confrontation with Ira at the fountain we get this exchange:

Ira:	I came here because I sensed your bloodthirst.
Aced:	A final battle is no longer avoidable.
	Invi, Gula, Ava, and you, too, Ira. All desperate to collect more Lux than the other Unions.
	The battle had already begun. It was you people who aggravated the situation.
Ira:	Are you saying we must check them by force?
Aced:	In the end, it's a strong leader who controls the world.
	It's not Lux I'll gather more of than anyone—it's soldiers.
	Strong organisation is imperative. When it comes to maintaining the balance, there need only be one leader.
	I'll banish the four of you, and unify all the Unions under me.
Ira:	Don't overestimate yourself, Aced. You aren't that strong.
	Let me show you how pride comes before a deadly fall.
Aced:	I'll be waiting in the land of the final battle!

By the end of Back Cover, the desperate collecting of Lux en masse (started by Gula first) has just begun, so Back Cover doesn't cover the entire scope of Browser-Chi, but here we can see that Aced's stance hardened even more by then and he's willing to "banish" all of the other four Foretellers, by now fully entrenched in extremist views which made many in the audience despise him back then.

In Ira's case there isn't really much to work with in regards to Ava, only that he was obviously displeased with her refusing to disclose Gula's whereabouts. Her mistaking his intentions however is also partly his own fault since when Ava inquires on what exactly he wants to do he only responds with "none of your concern", most certainly only fueling Ava's fears that he would somehow hurt Gula.
Otherwise there isn't much interaction between them at all sadly.

Invi certainly backpedals in their last conversation there because she realizes she's making the same errors as Ira, Aced and Gula already did, more or less successfully salvaging at least her relationship with Ava (for the moment). In this vein, Invi seems to be a little more perceptive, yet as already said her errors lie in a different field.
She also certainly tried to keep balance, but once Gula started to frantically collect Lux and Ira as well as Aced followed suit, them hoarding it for themselves instead of using it to protect the world, she realized things had already gone out of hand and are unsalvageable, that's why she tells Ava that they must "delay the inevitable" at the end of their conversation.

Gula certainly does understand her reluctance and probably deep inside already knows she's right too, but by that point I assume he was already sort of desperate, seeing the "summoning Kingdom Hearts and possibly summoning back the Master"-plan as the only option still left, unwittingly causing things to get out of hand even further with starting to hoard Lux.

Being too passive is indeed Ava's main problem on the issue combined with her also being too reliant and dependent on the Master and his teachings.

 

[Replica]

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I watched back cover early since I already preordered 2.8, and while I enjoyed it, I can't say I'm not a little disappointed by it. It definitely raised more questions than answers, and the ending was pretty abrupt. The scene where Ava confronts Luxu and the Keyblade War weren't even shown. I also really wanted to see the Foretellers' faces, the MoM's identity, what was in Luxu's box, and who the traitor was, though I guess the MoM and Luxu were the traitors after all. I suppose this stuff will get answered in KH3. But I haven't spoiled myself on 0.2 yet, so I'm looking forward to playing that.

 

[U.N. Owen]

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I felt like the purpose of Back Cover was to give the foretellers humanity. Let's be honest, they were pretty forgettable in Chi and Unchained Chi. Seeing them laugh and faun over how cute Chirithy to brawling in the streets gave them more humanity.

 

[OathkeeperRoxas XIII]

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I felt like the purpose of Back Cover was to give the foretellers humanity. Let's be honest, they were pretty forgettable in Chi and Unchained Chi. Seeing them laugh and faun over how cute Chirithy to brawling in the streets gave them more humanity.

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Given the trouble Everytime people won't like them connected to the Main cast despite the parallels are deep in XBC, better save that for 3 when there's time to dive into them especially what everyone is thinking about with MoM and Luxu.

Also to be quite honest, when It came to XBC, it range from hype to did anyone care or mad certain aspects weren't shown. I mean we got some questions and theories to dive into, I'm sure we'll get all our questions soon.

 

[ShardofTruth]

Oh man, I wish Back Cover was double its length, and not a companion piece like it's set up right now.

Anyway, there is still a thing I think the movie got backwards and I wish would have been explained more:

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The purpose of the Unions:
While it's clear that the MoM wanted to separate their apprentices further with that idea, it's still not clear what the original reason to collect light (mentioned by Chirithy in the beginning) in five different unions really was.
Later, Gula announced that he hopes to summon Kingdom Hearts with it, something theorized like three years ago, even though it's still done in a different way (most likely the way the MoM intended) later on.

It would have been really helpful to introduce a scene where the MoM talks about that aspect of the game.

They did it with the bangles, even though the whole segment won't make any sense to people who haven't seen the end of χ[chi] yet.

I really hope there will be a second part.

 

[Recon]

I watched it. More loose ends huh, Nomura?

 

[Alpha Baymax]

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Wow, looks like my theory of the Forteller’s being artificial Dream Eater theory (and the potential traitor) has even more credence and here’s why…

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Also, I totally cracked up on this despite it being meant to be a tense/grave scene:

Lol Wat?
"Scary eyes"...errr Ava, he's wearing a diddlying Unicorn mask over the top half of his face so you should not even have been able to see his eyes.
(Except of course if this means to imply that Ira took off his mask behind the scenes to tease the audience).

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I think Ava is talking about the eyes on the Unicorn mask. And even so, at face value, that’s a silly thing to say considering the fact that Ava has seen Ira’s eyes plenty times before. But, when you look deeper into the circumstances at hand, the Fortellers are far more fractured now, they’re more aware of each-others concerns of one-another. Ava looking into Ira’s eyes may be the unbeknownst realisation of a Spirit interacting with a Nightmare.

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Ira spent the whole time trying to rat out a traitor instead of keeping everyone together, Invi ratted everyone out to Ira and only drove everyone further apart instead of keeping them friendly with each other.

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When you think about it, Nightmares instinctively create a divide against Spirits. Look at Nightmare Chirithy for example. When he interferes with the player’s dreams, Spirit Chirithy confronts Nightmare Chirithy and they both agree that they’re on opposite ends. They create a conscious divide. What we’re seeing here with Ira is an unconscious divide. He may be thinking that he’s doing his part to fish out the traitor, but in reality, he’s just a Nightmare clashing with the Spirit Fortellers.

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Yep. Watched it. Ira is suspicious as all hell.

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There’s more unconscious factors (even outside my theory) that points fingers towards him. Firstly, case of Ira is the only instance in which he’s not in the Master of Masters room. Plus, when Aced is clashing with Invi, and Gula calls Ava, surely Ira should have been present to see what the commotion was all about? Ira’s making assumptions, surely that could have been his opportunity to potentially dechiper the traitor?

 

[praveen]

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The master actually whispered to Luxu what was in the box so Luxu probably wouldn't have opened it
and he said "you'll see" for Luxu asking why and not like you'll see what is inside

 

[kristi-swat]

[/COLOR]if you guys have seen the cutscenes from khx, when ava and luxu meet he tells her he isn't the traitor and then reveals the real one
so probably luxu isn't the traitor, in my opinion[COLOR=#333333]

 

[Muke]

It is a spoiler!!! Put [spoilers ] [/spoilers ] before and after your text, respectively (without the space)

 

[Vasquez]

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MoM reminds me of Braig.

 

[Sephiroth0812]

This that I'm commenting probably isn't spoiler I hope (I don't know how to post cooments with the spoiler yellow label)

if you guys have seen the cutscenes from khx, when ava and luxu meet he tells her he isn't the traitor and then reveals the real one
so probably luxu isn't the traitor, in my opinion

It's either [spoilers ] [/spoilers ] (without spaces) for the black text: This is a spoiler.
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[/spoiler ] for the Spoiler-box:

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This is a spoiler.

And no, in Browser-Chi Luxu doesn't tell Ava that he's "not the traitor", he only speaks about what he knows about the traitor.
The audience in fact does not get to see/read what Luxu actually says, only Ava's reactions to his statements.
As for its relevance to Back Cover, that would certainly be a spoiler...

...as Back Cover ends way before the last three or so story updates of Browser-Chi and doesn't even address the issue. The last big story scene correlating with Browser-Chi is Ava addressing the Dandelions, everything afterwards gets omitted in favor for more scenes with Luxu and the MoM.

It is a spoiler!!! Put [spoilers ] [/spoilers ] before and after your text, respectively (without the space)

I don't know if information from Browser-Chi still counts as a spoiler though.

 

[Muke]

Something as crucial as that would be spoiling both X and BC because then everybody would know "oh, Luxu is the traitor" (which doesn't seem to be true anyway)... Someone from the staff should clear this up ^^

 

[Sephiroth0812]

Something as crucial as that would be spoiling both X and BC because then everybody would know "oh, Luxu is the traitor" (which doesn't seem to be true anyway)... Someone from the staff should clear this up ^^

Yea, if it would really be that crucial it would be a spoiler but it isn't since the meeting of Luxu and Ava in Browser-Chi does not give any definite answer towards the traitor at all and keeps everything ambigious by not revealing what Luxu actually says there.

Probably, have you already contacted someone of the staff about this?

 

[Muke]

Yea, if it would really be that crucial it would be a spoiler but it isn't since the meeting of Luxu and Ava in Browser-Chi does not give any definite answer towards the traitor at all and keeps everything ambigious by not revealing what Luxu actually says there.

Probably, have you already contacted someone of the staff about this?

No, but I'm certain they will see this and tell us here. ^^

 

[kristi-swat]

I have put the spoiler tag now in any case

 

[KingdomheartsII]

The storytelling and voice acting is so fluid here. Didn't think this would interest me, but wow.