Sora...more of a plot device than character?
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That makes him emotional, not a sap. But the knowing smiles, fond chuckles, and all the playful jokes cracked at Sora's expense? Riku returned a bit to being the kid we saw in BBS.
I thoroughly enjoyed Smile's post. Could you possibly point out where Sora outright admitted his happy-go-lucky nature was nothing more than a facade?
Honestly though, do happy go lucky personalities really piss people off? Maybe its because I'm this way myself, but no person is that happy. EVER. There's usually a reason behind it.
Honestly though, do happy go lucky personalities really piss people off? Maybe its because I'm this way myself, but no person is that happy. EVER. There's usually a reason behind it.
I don't think Sora ever admitted it outright, but one can deduce it by his outbursts sometimes.
It's almost like Sora doesn't want to bother others with his own problems and worries and therefore he overplays it with "happy-go-lucky" manners, which tend to go overboard a bit sometimes.
That's also an indicator...if the "happy-go-lucky" goes too much overboard it's most likely played and not genuine.
It's almost like Sora doesn't want to bother others with his own problems and worries and therefore he overplays it with "happy-go-lucky" manners, which tend to go overboard a bit sometimes.
That's also an indicator...if the "happy-go-lucky" goes too much overboard it's most likely played and not genuine.
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It wasn't so much admitting it as having a moment where it was painfully obvious and blunt. KH2, after he found out Kairi was kidnapped and that something terrible happened to Riku, in TLTW. He tried cheering HPO up, only to go "who'm I kidding..." as he physically "deflated".
I think the problem is that people find it to be inappropriate of the situation. For instance, take Sora singing "Hakuna Matata" in the pride lands. Riku's still missing, the Org are at large, and lord knows what's up with Kairi. Dude, you do not Hakuna Matata that!
I'm personally annoyed that so many people are willing to cut so many characters slack for their behaviors. Like, people will go "Days-Roxas doesn't count because it's Days!" or "don't be so harsh on Kairi, it's KH2!" but KH2-Sora became the one Sora everyone remembers while in many ways it's the least representative Sora :V
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It more annoys me than pisses me off. Call me pessimistic but people generally aren't that happy. If I was in Sora's situation I wouldn't be too jolly myself. But if it is simply a facade then I would understand more. When I'm upset sometimes I pretend to be happy so I don't worry my friends. But there's a small part of me that says at some points in the game he is actually happy go lucky and not faking it. The way he acts sounds so genuine, but maybe that's just me. Or maybe Haley Joel Osment is just a really good voice actor. I don't know anymore. The voices in my head keep arguing about this and they both sound right.
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Am I the only one who really thinks that no, Sora ISN'T Happy-Go-Lucky until KH2, and when he was happy-go-lucky, it's established in-game to be a farce and he's breaking inside? :\
Most of KH1 was Sora worrying and I won't say angsting, but displaying sadness and longing and Donald and Goofy had to cheer him up. CoM? when in tarnation was he happy-go-lucky in CoM? The closest was Data-Sora but who knows how much rewriting that kid's been through...
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Well I meant in KH2 he acted too happy for my liking. KH1 Sora was more reasonable about his emotions. And CoM Sora had little to no happy thoughts until he found Namine. If I have done any Sora bashing, it all goes to KH2 Sora and his jolly hyperactive personality (and ocassionally CoM Sora about being a total ass).
I would be willing to say that you are correct that Sora isn't as happy-go-lucky as he seems. I would also like to argue that he was not so happy go lucky in Kingdom Hearts II. His expressions in KHI make it quite apparent that he has become sad throughout the failures of his travels. If anything I believe that most of his demeanor in the sequel is the confidence gained from saving the worlds in the first game. In Chain of Memories he started with outstanding amounts of confidence. Sora starts following a strange black cloak without Donald and Goofy. They eventually catch up to him but not until a bit later. The obvious character development that occurs in Chain is eventual loss of confidence, which results in a more serious nature, one that many of you seem to enjoy. When his memory is erased his confidence is regained.
Now that we find Sora awakening in Kingdom Hearts II, he is his happy and probably just as confident as he was in the beginning of Chain of Memories. I mean despite his small clothes he struts around showing his stuff. (You have to be cocky walking around in short shorts like his.) His past has made it easier to go through the second adventure without being fazed. But if one looks deeper into the psyche of our teenage hero, we can find the subtleties of the pain his adventure has placed on him and the changes that he has gone through. These can be expressed through a few situations where Kairi is mentioned.
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For example the line Sora speaks about Kari shows regret. It also shows that he is becoming a more conscious person, he questions his one actions and begins to analyze them.
Another scene is the infamous scene where Kari hugs Sora, but he shows a bit of shock. I believe that this not as most believe a sign that he does not like Kari, but much more of a realization that despite how powerful he is the confidence he had has subsided and the long hug that takes place is one of comfort for both parties as they begin to truly realize the severity of their actions toward one another as well how others are effected. This realization is completed when he reunites with Riku, this is why Sora becomes so emotional. He has reached a breaking point where the stress is far to great to hold the facade which Smile mentioned before.
I agree that Kingdom Hearts II had less character development for Sora, but I do not believe that is completely lacking. Optimism is a necessary key to becoming the type of hero that Sora has become. So many look to Sora when they are in dire need. Sora has to bottle up his emotions for the most part to gain their confidence, rather than being cold in the face of danger Sora chooses a different way to gain support and encourage those around him. Without the face that Sora wears, no one would put their trust in him the way they do.
If we were to sum up this thread, it'd be that last paragraph. I couldn't have said it better myself.
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I have to admit I think you went a bit too far into analyzing most things. But the conclusion I do support full-heartly. What irks me the most about KH2 is similar to what irks me in BBS - the characterization in the Disney world and in the plot worlds is off when compared to one another. It doesn't add up. That the Sora who fell apart to tiny pieces in Hollow Bastion would Hakuna Matata is unthinkable. :\
Though I have to wonder how much of Sora's 'mask' in KH2 is Donald's fault. No frowns, no sad faces, this boat runs on happy faces~
Just saying this it could all just be up to Sora him self. But this all happens to him when he absorbs Roxas. Could Roxas effect sora in that way ? well the proof is when sora leaves TT for the first time with Hayner Peance and Olette. (bet you i spelled at least one wrong)
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Pretty sure you got it right.
And I personally blame it mostly on KH2's writing lacking overall since when push came to shove and there were plot moments instead of stupid Hakuna Matata, Sora didn't pull anything that wasn't there before.
And I personally blame it mostly on KH2's writing lacking overall since when push came to shove and there were plot moments instead of stupid Hakuna Matata, Sora didn't pull anything that wasn't there before.
So is all his memories from chain of memories gone forever?
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May i say I like Sora, i dont want him to change. I i think he's changes a lot between 1 and 2, at least i find kh2 sora to be less annoying, more confident, with a certain savoir faire, and generally more grown up. Sure, he's still a happy-go-lucky goofball, but some things arent ever gonna change.
Also, its quite common for the main charachter to have not so much development/issues/inner torment, so the audience can focus on the story going on around them.
Also, its quite common for the main charachter to have not so much development/issues/inner torment, so the audience can focus on the story going on around them.
You know, it's funny how people tend to hate happy-go-lucky characters. That's part of why I love Sora so much, actually.
And reading through Smile's posts, it reminded me a lot of what people in situations like Sora's do: they don't tell people when they're upset. They put on a smile so that people feel like they aren't a burden when they ask for help. And for Sora to be able to be a hero in this SE/Disney game, this is the type of character he would have to be, anyways. It just makes sense to me that he's such a peppy kid, even if it's mostly a façade in KHII.
And am I the only one that doesn't think Sora's an idiot? =\ Being a peppy goofball =/= stupid. He might not be the smartest of the bunch, but I wouldn't call him stupid.
And reading through Smile's posts, it reminded me a lot of what people in situations like Sora's do: they don't tell people when they're upset. They put on a smile so that people feel like they aren't a burden when they ask for help. And for Sora to be able to be a hero in this SE/Disney game, this is the type of character he would have to be, anyways. It just makes sense to me that he's such a peppy kid, even if it's mostly a façade in KHII.
And am I the only one that doesn't think Sora's an idiot? =\ Being a peppy goofball =/= stupid. He might not be the smartest of the bunch, but I wouldn't call him stupid.
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KH2 really dumbed Sora down. But I agree he's not an idiot throughout the series. It's like people mock Mickey for not knowing what a password is - seeing how it's usually used when dealing with computers and Mickey isn't pc savvy, it's only natural he'll be clueless. It doesn't make him dumb.
And I really do think Sora's only looking for a chance to be his own self again, to be relax and real. He seemed so at is when it was just him and Riku in the RoD and they both spilled their Hearts out...
And I really do think Sora's only looking for a chance to be his own self again, to be relax and real. He seemed so at is when it was just him and Riku in the RoD and they both spilled their Hearts out...
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