Ugh, I'm really bothered when people bring up tiers in Super Smash Brothers. Anyone can be good with any character, they all have their strengths and weaknesses. If someone trains his ass of with Ganondorf, said person could demolish a Metaknight expert. I know I've beaten several people who claim Metaknight is the best with my best: Ness. It's all who you practice with. Also, they took out wavedashing and stalls in Brawl because they weren't supposed to be in Melee. It just made the game a lot less enjoyable when people started "cheating" like that, yet, I understand how it can be transferred to the competitive scene; I just didn't like them. They're two separate games in the same series, both competitive AND casual, and play slightly differently. I prefer Brawl.