So we know YMX's Identity!... Or maybe not...

[gelandporn]

Upon closer inspection, the hilt of the keyblade doesn't really match up with Vanitas's keyblade. It's a gear, definitely, but not the same, so I don't know how liberal you'd want to be in assuming there's a connection.

Vanitas doesn't even have a body. how would Young MX be "Vanitas" if young mx existed long before Vanitas came into existence? its pretty clear that the young mx turned into geezernort anyway. why is it when mx started to come into the game Young MX just "Disappeared".
besides seeing how MX himself wrote reports even when he was young as seen in BBS i highly doubt that's "Vanitasnort".

You're not understanding what I'm saying.
The Young MX we see in DDD is not actually a young MX.

We have MX as a boy and then Vanitas turned into a Xehanort, two different entities.

Also, the YMX in DDD exists separately from MX, I posted a link earlier in the topic, check it out.

 

[Samhain]

thats like saying just because Xemnas and Ansem SoD exist seperately from MX doesn't mean he is when they ARE him.

 

[.:Mega:.]

Well, apparently YMX is "the first Xehanort" and gathered all the others, at least according to the translations. :|a Though the translations themselves aren't entirely clear.

 

[gelandporn]

thats like saying just because Xemnas and Ansem SoD exist seperately from MX doesn't mean he is when they ARE him.

Uh, yeah? And I'm not denying that possibility, I already pointed it out in the op?

You were the one that just said YMX turned into MX and I was simply pointing out otherwise.

 

[Samhain]

if YMX is the "first" Xehanort then he is just that. The MX young kid we saw in BBS and in the ending of KH3D when he said "This world is too small" just like in BBS.

Uh, yeah? And I'm not denying that possibility, I already pointed it out in the op?

You were the one that just said YMX turned into MX and I was simply pointing out otherwise.

my point is they're the same person.

 

[gelandporn]

 

[Caxm]

if YMX is the "first" Xehanort then he is just that. The MX young kid we saw in BBS and in the ending of KH3D when he said "This world is too small" just like in BBS.


my point is they're the same person.

If they were the same person then they would literally be the same person in the same space. So, by that logic, since Xehanort and YMX are shown standing separately, that would mean they are different people.

As for YMX saying he was the first Xehanort that can be easily explained.
1- There is so little of Vanitas left that he truly believes that.
2- he was the first one to go through Xehanortification.

 

[Sephiroth0812]

If they were the same person then they would literally be the same person in the same space. So, by that logic, since Xehanort and YMX are shown standing separately, that would mean they are different people.

As for YMX saying he was the first Xehanort that can be easily explained.
1- There is so little of Vanitas left that he truly believes that.
2- he was the first one to go through Xehanortification.

Pretty much this.

If Vanitas' own self is completely and utterly suppressed and banned into the farthest and smallest bit of the heart in question all that would be left is Xehanort's will and memories.
It would be like the successful Version of what Master Xehanort tried with Terra in BBS.
There, Xehanort was a bit surprised that Terra could still maintain a presence to resist him inside, on the outside Xehanort was in full control for most of the time.
The difference here would be that Xehanort is in full control on both sides. Inside the heart and outside.

 

[Samhain]

If they were the same person then they would literally be the same person in the same space. So, by that logic, since Xehanort and YMX are shown standing separately, that would mean they are different people.

As for YMX saying he was the first Xehanort that can be easily explained.
1- There is so little of Vanitas left that he truly believes that.
2- he was the first one to go through Xehanortification.

Once again Xemnas and AsOD exist seperately from MX when they are the same person so this can be proven wrong

 

[Mr. Wilhelm]

To add to this theory, Idk if this has already been said.

But in BBS, you cannot fight MF unless you defeated Vanitas Remnant first.

 

[Mr Yippie]

remember how YMX fought Ven in BBS

yeah

now that makes sense; it was a grudge match

 

[Amazing]

Too much of a cluster phoque is being made out of this. I think it's pretty clear Vanitas is whom YMX is.

 

[gelandporn]

Too much of a cluster phoque is being made out of this. I think it's pretty clear Vanitas is whom YMX is.

Ehhhhhh....

YMX: Among these, I am the Xehanort from furthest in the past.
YMX: I was given the duty, by a version of myself from a future time,
YMX: to gather here, today, all the split or fused versions of us from throughout the worlds.

That's not something a Vanitasnort would say. Even if he had YMX's memories, he would not be referring to traveling from the past into the future.
It's not 100% clear yet though what's going on with YMX.

I mean, as I said, we still have the one random Vanitas scene (and he's never seen again), and then there's also the problem of how YMX has the ability to time travel if he has a body.

What confuses me with the whole thing is, ok, say it's just plain old YMX. So... YMX is one of the 13 darknesses? If that's the case, why didn't Xehanort just go back in time like 12 times and get a bunch of random Xehanorts from the past as opposed to going through all this trouble. Like get YMX, YMX a week later, and after that, and so on lol.

Man, I just don't understand the whole causal loop thing in general. YMX says you cannot rewrite the realities that occur when time traveling, but that's what Ansem did. So you could hypothetically alter the future, in which case if YMX died, would not the rest of the Xehanorts cease to exist? But they're obviously not going to do that. Also, the Xehanorts of the past cannot stay in the future, otherwise the future Xehanorts will cease to exist, so how would we even have a full 13 on 7 battle? The only workaround is that you'd have to go to the past and fight each Xehanort in their time, but that just goes back to altering the future... so paradoxical. Man, KH did not need this lol.

 

[Sephiroth0812]

I think it's by now really needed to

1st get the true English version of the game, as translations from Japanese can also be unintentionally off in some parts and
2nd more Nomura interviews.

It is clear that the warning of Yen Sid in the Re: Coded secret ending was meant literal now, however, there are several other things that do not really make sense right now.
I'm also anxiously awaiting a subbed version of the second part of the normal ending where Riku meets Roxas, Ventus, Xion and then Ansem the Wise and has a long talk with him. (I suppose about the data that is said to be the key to save everyone).
Maybe in that long conversation are more hidden truths that helps us to put the puzzle better together.

Well done Nomura, you once said you had realized the series has become a bit too far-spread and confusing...now you apparently dropped another bomb on us.

 

[Theart]

I'm not so sure, Grass.

Based on what was explained regarding time travel and its limitations, particularly the one regarding not rewriting histories, I'm guessing that regardless of whether or not Ansem SoD visiting him earlier on in the past, YMX would've gone down the path of darkness and go on to be villain we know through out the series. In fact, that probably did happen initially but upon the events of BBS that MX experienced, and Apprentice Xehanort turning into both a Heartless and a Nobody, Ansem SoD went back in time to YMX's time to tell him the full plan of 'Xehanortification'.

Just a guess. ^_^

 

[Amazing]

@Gelandporn

Trust me your explaining hurts my brain more than watching the cutscenes when YMX tells us about it. Regardless, I'm still able to endure the mind rapage. I think we'll be able to understand things better when the english version comes out.

 

[Caxm]

Once again Xemnas and AsOD exist seperately from MX when they are the same person so this can be proven wrong

Not if Xemnas is made up of Terra's body and a new heart bud being influenced be Master Xehanort
And Ansem SoD could be Terra and Eraqus's heart being influenced by MAster Xehanort.

See in these instances there are Pieces that fit together. YMX seems to just be a pure copy, but he needs a base. An original form that is being influenced by MX

 

[flurryflames]

This is deeply confusing me more and more. I doubt even the english version could make us understand any of this. Perhaps we dont' really know who Young Xeohanort really is yet. The Xeohanorts are probably linked or maybe not.

It just seems that Xenmas, Xehanort SOD hearts seem to be fighting the Xehanort virus or else they would look more like MX himself like Xigbar does.

 

[Samhain]

Xemnas and Ansem SoD IS MX. They don't look exactly like MX because they're the fused version of MX and Terra from when MX stole Terra's body...

Braig is turning into Xehanort because he was a different being before. Ansem Sod and Xemnas are the same person as MX.

 

[Caxm]

No Xemnas and Ansem SoD together is AX

If Ansem SoD and Xemnas were the same person as Xehanort, they would be Xehanort! There has to be a distinction! That distinction is Terra.