Riku and Oblvion?

[khphantom97]

Ok, this is probably a really noobish question but...

when Roxas throws the keyblade to Riku, I read somewhere that Xion threw it threw Roxas. This was becuase she knew he wasn't strong enough to take on Xemnas. Is the reason Roxas never summoned it back until the end of the battle because Roxas a) didn't know how b) he willingly let Riku use it or c) riku was the original wielder, so it would make sense.

What do you think?

 

[ZanexChaos]

Roxas willingly let Riku use Oblivion

 

[Smile]

Roxas not calling it back really is an issue that irked many people, but seeing how Riku wasn't in the mental condition to really fight properly, I don't think Roxas had a good enough reason to call it back, aside from possible Xion implications.
That said, with how the Oblivion seemed to be the manifestation of Xion inside Roxas, I wouldn't rule out her being the reason behind it all.

 

[D∆NTE]

I think that he willingly let riku use it c). oh and you spelt threw wrong Lol, dosn't matter:lol:

 

[Sephy-kun]

That said, with how the Oblivion seemed to be the manifestation of Xion inside Roxas, I wouldn't rule out her being the reason behind it all.

Um.....are you sure Oathkeeper wasn't the manifestation of Xion, and not Oblivion?

 

[Smile]

Um.....are you sure Oathkeeper wasn't the manifestation of Xion, and not Oblivion?

Yes. That is, after all, the Keyblade Roxas ended up throwing to Riku, and once Riku took hold of the Oblivion, he saw flashes of Xion and heard her voice as she begged him to stop Roxas. Nomura also confirmed that the Oblivion has to do with concepts of Xion's character or something along that line.
Oblivion = forgetting = what ended up happening to Xion, and what she caused Sora by existing.
Her being represented by the Oblivion is all but a stated fact by Nomura. If anyone other than Kairi herself is manifested by the Oathkeeper, it's Namine by design and original keychain charm, not Xion.

 

[Emo keybarer]

I'd say Riku was the original weilder with a stronger heart (Roxas doesn't have a heart)

 

[Smile]

I'd say Riku was the original weilder with a stronger heart (Roxas doesn't have a heart)

I doubt it matters, seeing how by then, the Keyblade already chose Sora over Riku and by proxy, Roxas as well.

 

[Emo keybarer]

Yeah but the keyblade choses people with a strong heart so Riku the original weilder and with a heart would have more contol over it

 

[Smile]

Only going by that logic Roxas shouldn't have been able to wield the Keyblade to begin with.

And Xion is safe seeing how if she's a replica like Riku's Replica - she's likely to have a Heart.

 

[Two Become One]

I don't think that Riku was the Oblivion's former owner in this case, but it definitely appears to be connected to Xion. After all, Riku begins to recall memories of Xion the moment he catches the Keyblade, and, while holding it in the dialogue before the final battle, he is able to remember Xion's name, even when Roxas is only able to recall Xion being a "her."

 

[Smile]

Seeing how we don't know which Keyblade Roxas got from Sora and which Xion 'woke up' inside him, Riku just might've been the Oblivion's Original Owner, seeing how the KK was his to begin with.

 

[Two Become One]

I suppose that's true--I forgot about Riku's previous ownership of the Keyblade. Hm, now I'm not quite sure what to think.

 

[Smile]

That if they do want to toy around with it, it's as good an explanation as any to why Xion saw glimpses of his Memories and why she could communicate with him so well to the point he managed to change the Oblivion's shape.

 

[Caxm]

Roxas does have a heart though

 

[Smile]

Roxas does have a heart though

No, it's hinted he might have a Heart due to Ven complications no doubt, however - nothing is confirmed.

 

[XYZ]

No, it's hinted he might have a Heart due to Ven complications no doubt, however - nothing is confirmed.

Roxas and Sora share the same Heart.

I'm going out on a limb here, but I bet Roxas recognized Riku during the fight, and I don't mean from Sora's memories. Roxas new Riku as the Organization's impostor who swayed Xion to leave the Organization. Though Roxas never saw Riku's face, I'm pretty sure Roxas knew it was him. With that in mind, Roxas would probably have sour feelings towards Riku for 'corrupting' Xion, even though his memory of Xion was fading at this point, Roxas still could have remembered him just as the enemy impostor. Bringing all of that into consideration, it would be unlikely for Roxas to willingly arm Riku with the Olbivion. And even when Riku catches the Oblivion, his head is filled with memories of Xion and he is overwhelmed. All of this seems to point to Xion's influence. But that's just impo.

 

[Smile]

Roxas and Sora share the same Heart.

Where the deuce did you pull that one from? Sora IS the Heart. Roxas is a Nobody. If he has a Heart, it's one of his own and probably relates to Ven.

I'm going out on a limb here, but I bet Roxas recognized Riku during the fight, and I don't mean from Sora's memories. Roxas new Riku as the Organization's impostor who swayed Xion to leave the Organization.
Though Roxas never saw Riku's face, I'm pretty sure Roxas knew it was him. With that in mind, Roxas would probably have sour feelings towards Riku for 'corrupting' Xion, even though his memory of Xion was fading at this point, he still could have remembered him just as the enemy impostor.

Mmmyeah I think that if that was the case, he'd have screamed at Riku for taking Xion away from him, seeing how he was hell bent on taking Xemnas and Kingdom Hearts on so he could get her back.

Bringing all of that into consideration, it would be unlikely for Roxas to willingly arm Riku with the Olbivion. And even when Riku catches the Oblivion, his head is filled with memories of Xion and he is overwhelmed. All of this seems to point to Xion's influence. But that's just impo.

It's not only baseless it's contradictory to how their dialogue went.

 

[XYZ]

Where the deuce did you pull that one from? Sora IS the Heart. Roxas is a Nobody. If he has a Heart, it's one of his own and probably relates to Ven.

Maybe the Twilight Town World Card that Vexen forged from the 'other side' of Sora's Heart?

Mmmyeah I think that if that was the case, he'd have screamed at Riku for taking Xion away from him, seeing how he was hell bent on taking Xemnas and Kingdom Hearts on so he could get her back.

Did I or did I not acknowledge that Roxas' memory of Xion was dwindling?

I have to save... Her.

Roxas was so set on saving Xion, yet he could not remember her name, Riku had to remind him.

It's not only baseless it's contradictory to how their dialogue went.

Instead of just saying that, maybe you should explain it?

 

[Smile]

Maybe the Twilight Town World Card that Vexen forged from the 'other side' of Sora's Heart?

Their MEMORIES are shared, if anything is shared at all. That much was already established. And Vexen just as easily could've been bluffing, or - talking about Xion.

Did I or did I not acknowledge that Roxas' memory of Xion was dwindling? Roxas was so set on saving Xion, yet he could not remember her name, Riku had to remind him.

I fail to see the point of him remembering Riku then :\ not to mention that there were NO hintings he recognized him at all, regardless of how well he remembered Xion.

Instead of just saying that, maybe you should explain it?

I don't have to. Rewatch the scene. Roxas recognizing Riku at all doesn't add up too much :\