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Cosmic+Amarna

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Is a proper education and understanding important in regards to religion? With an estimated 2.2 billion members, Christianity holds from in between a quarter to a third of the world’s population. Islam holds around 1.5 billion members and is almost a quarter of the world’s population. Together the two hold about half of the world’s population. This means that a large amount of the world’s inhabitance claim to be an observer/practitioner of either Christianity or Islam. It is obvious that religion has impacted and affected the world, both in ancient times and modern. So, with that said, is it important for people who claim a religion to become educated and knowledgeable in regards to it?

Many would probably state that the correct answer is an obvious yes. Despite this being the correct answer and of a large consensus, it is obvious as well that many who do claim/belong to a religion do not have extensive education, information, or knowledge on neither their religion nor it history, cultural background, context, or other necessary facets in order to come to a more proper understanding. It is logical to assume that in less developed countries and poorer nations the possibility for someone to have access to information+knowledge in a legitimate manner is sometimes implausible. That is not to say that is the case all of the time with every member, but the point here being that many people belong to a religion, yet they do not even have proper access to it’s information, whatever or however it may be and this directly affects their understanding and perception. However, the more fortunate nations have proved to be no better sometimes than the less fortunate ones in regards to their understanding and knowledge.

One could provide many examples that point to this being a real problem. This is a problem that exists now, in the recent history, and in the past. Just as there are poor nations who do not have opportunity, there are other nations that do. In these opportunistic nations there exists a considerably large amount of people who do
claim a religion, as one would imagine since religion is worldwide after all.
-Cosmic+Amarna

10 Commandments:
One of the most shocking things to Christians and Jews is that the 10 Commandments they have learned in school are NOT the ones God wrote in stone. Do you remember Judge Roy Moore? He was the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Alabama who had a copy of the 10 Commandments etched on wooden tablets hanging in his court room. From 2001 to 2003 there were a number of legal battles which ultimately lead to his removal from office (Roy Moore recently announced his intention to run for President as a Republican for the 2012 elections). What Roy Moore didn’t know (and all he had to do was read Exodus to see), was that the list of commandments over which he lost his job were never written on stone tablets. That’s right, according to the Bible; the commonly known 10 Commandments were only spoken in speeches, and were never written on stone tablets!
Let’s take a minute to remember the story of Moses and the 10 Commandments. In the story, Moses goes up the mountain and God gives a really long speech (Exodus 20 to 31). In that speech God talks about the not killing, stealing, etc. (Exodus 20), but spends far more time discussing the offerings he wants, how to build his temple, and how he wants his curtain made (check out Exodus 26 for details on Gods curtains). It’s not until the last sentence of Exodus 31 that we even hear about stone tablets. God gives Moses two tablets written by the finger of God (it is not stated at that time what is written on the tablets), and orders him down off the mountain.
When Moses comes down from the mountain, carrying the stone tablets (that he never read), he finds the people worshipping a golden calf. Moses destroys the tablets in a fit of rage and is eventually forced to schlep back up the mountain in order to get another set. It is not until this second set of tablets, also written on stone and by the hand of God, that we learn what was written on both the first and second set of stone tablets (see Exodus 34). This second set is the only set that is called the 10 Commandments by the Bible (the Decalogue), and it is the set that is carried in the Arc of the Covenant and housed in the Temple on the Mound and worshipped by Jews for hundreds of years.
So where does the confusion come in? In Deuteronomy 5, Moses calls his people together to remind them about the long speech God had given them many years earlier. By this time most of the people to whom he was speaking were the children born in the desert and had not heard the original speech, and Moses was quite old. What Moses reminds them of is only the very first part of the long speech, the part in Exodus 20. Moses inaccurately states (in Deuteronomy 5:22) that God gave him two tablets of stone with Exodus 20 written on them, when in fact the stone tablets have Exodus 34 written on them.
So if you believe what the Bible says, Exodus 34 is the ONLY Ten Commandments and the ONLY thing ever written by the hand of God. Exodus 20 is never put in stone and is only given out as a speech along with a very long list of construction activities. So what are the real 10 Commandments? Below you will find the 10 Commandments that were written on stone by the hand of God, were worshipped by Jews, carried in the Arc, and placed in the Temple (a commonly used breakdown):
1. Obey the commandments. Yahweh will conquer the Amorites, Canaanites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites. Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land where you are going, or they will be a snare among you. Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones, and cut down their Asherah poles.
2. Do not worship any other god, for Yahweh, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous god. Do not make treaties with those in other lands who worship other gods.
3. Do not make cast idols.
4. Celebrate the Feast of Unleavened Bread. For seven days eat bread made without yeast during the first month of the Hebrew Year.
5. Sacrifice the first-born of every womb, including all the firstborn males of your livestock. You can sacrifice a lamb in place of a firstborn donkey, but if you do sacrifice the donkey break its neck. If your firstborn child is a boy sacrifice something else in its place. None shall appear before Yahweh without a sacrifice.
6. Do not work on the Sabbath, even during the plowing season and harvest you must rest.
7. Celebrate the Jewish holiday “The Feast of Weeks” with the first fruits of the wheat harvest and celebrate the Jewish holiday “The Feast of Ingathering” at the turn of the year. Three times a year all your men are to appear before the god of Israel and he will conquer surrounding nations before you enlarging your territory.
8. Do not mix blood sacrifices to Yahweh with yeast and do not let any sacrifice from the Passover Feast remain until morning.
9. Bring the first fruits of your land to the house of Yahweh, your god.
Do not cook a baby goat in his mother’s milk.

The Devil, Heaven, and Hell:
Satan, Lucifer, the devil, whatever you call him, is an employee of God. In both the Old and New Testaments we are told that Satan has been appointed by God to govern the word! This appointment means that one of Satan’s primary jobs is to be the “Adversary.” The Adversary is a position of high-importance, appointed by God, and whose job it is to test man and make sure that they are truly good.
Remember the Book of Job? In the Book of Job, Satan is a member of the divine council “The Sons of God”. Satan is charged by God to tempt humans and report back to God on those who succumb to the temptations. Another thing that shocks Christians is how very little discussion about Satan there even is in the Bible. And what’s worse is that the story is so contradicting it’s hard to even put a cohesive story of Satan together. Some biblical scholars even claim that there is no single antagonist to God in the Bible. This is why the Bible has so many different names for God’s antagonists in use:
Lucifer, Satan, Devil, Dragon, Serpent, Beelzebub, Diabolos to name only a few. And to confuse things even more, in some cases the Bible uses the word “Satan” to mean obedient angels, and in other times it is used as a negative (an antagonist to God).

For most Christians today, their understanding of Heaven and Hell comes from the 14th century epic poem by Dante Alighieri titled, “Divine Comedy” (written between 1308 and 1321), and not from the pages of the Bible. Most people know this epic poem as “Dante’s Inferno”, which is a reference to one of the three main chapters in this long poem. Dante based his work on the “Summa Theologica” written by Thomas Aquinas between 1265 and 1274 (yes, the same
Thomas Aquinas that help start Europe’s 600+ years of terror called “The Inquisition”). It is hard to underestimate how much Dante’s poem changed the Christian understanding of Heaven and Hell, and it lasts to this very day.
What Christians fail to realize, is that Dante’s Poem is not the Bible. In both the Old and New Testament, when you die, you are simply buried in the ground, waiting for the day you will be brought back to life (Judgment Day) along with everyone else who ever lived. That’s right; the dead merely go to the grave. Furthermore in the New Testament, the “Kingdom of God” is a place here on this planet, and not some magical place existing in a different realm. Of course, when Judgment day does finally come… look out! But according to both Jews and Christians, Judgment Day hasn’t come yet.
While the Bible does have a few passages relating to Heaven and Hell, there is a lot less than people imagine, and what is described isn’t what people think. For example those passages that talk about “Heaven” discuss things like the peaceful conditions here on earth after the New Kingdom arrives, or the eternal rule by the Messiah, or bodily perfection (no thirst, hunger, death, sickness, etc.), or ruined cities that will eventually be re-inhabited by people. The shocking thing to Christians is that all of these discussions about “Heaven” are about a place here on this planet (earth)!
Even in the Book of Revelations, the story is about a dream and all the horrors occurring in that dream happen here on earth. All one has to do, is simply challenge a Christian to find the passages in the Bible that discuss Heaven and Hell, and the point will be made.

-Written by David Stockin, 2011

Whether they be Muslims, Christians, Jews, or Sabians, those who have kept with their ways towards God they will have nothing to fear and they will not experience sorrow.- The Qur’an Ch.2 explains that Christians and Jews are still considered to be on the right path regardless of minor differences and discrepancies, a misconception that some Muslims have for example.

Cosmic+Amarna:So my personal thought/feeling toward this would be this; yes it matters and is important. I’m not saying that everyone needs to go to school and receive credentials, but that the background information matters a lot. Technical knowledge is necessary in my mind, one needs to know or have some understanding of quite an array of things in order to arrive at an accurate picture/understanding of their religion. There are people who claim a religion but are not spiritual or wise in their nature; at least one causation of this problem can have lack of knowledge being an attribute.

There are nations at this point in human history in which its citizens have access to much knowledge and information. Also, at this point in our time, we have a rather technical and extensive collection of information and knowledge from all over the world, both recent and ancient in time. So I think that we should put that opportunity and availability to use if possible.
 
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Is a proper education and understanding important in regards to religion? With an estimated 2.2 billion members, Christianity holds from in between a quarter to a third of the world’s population. Islam holds around 1.5 billion members and is almost a quarter of the world’s population. Together the two hold about half of the world’s population. This means that a large amount of the world’s inhabitance claim to be an observer/practitioner of either Christianity or Islam. It is obvious that religion has impacted and affected the world, both in ancient times and modern. So, with that said, is it important for people who claim a religion to become educated and knowledgeable in regards to it?

Many would probably state that the correct answer is an obvious yes. Despite this being the correct answer and of a large consensus, it is obvious as well that many who do claim/belong to a religion do not have extensive education, information, or knowledge on neither their religion nor it history, cultural background, context, or other necessary facets in order to come to a more proper understanding. It is logical to assume that in less developed countries and poorer nations the possibility for someone to have access to information+knowledge in a legitimate manner is sometimes implausible. That is not to say that is the case all of the time with every member, but the point here being that many people belong to a religion, yet they do not even have proper access to it’s information, whatever or however it may be and this directly affects their understanding and perception. However, the more fortunate nations have proved to be no better sometimes than the less fortunate ones in regards to their understanding and knowledge.

One could provide many examples that point to this being a real problem. This is a problem that exists now, in the recent history, and in the past. Just as there are poor nations who do not have opportunity, there are other nations that do. In these opportunistic nations there exists a considerably large amount of people who do
claim a religion, as one would imagine since religion is worldwide after all.
-Cosmic+Amarna
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It really is very important to educate oneself in the correct ways on what one follows. Speaking from a Muslim perspective and from how it is in my community, I can see how important it is. As many here sadly either have blind belief or follow just one person (a sheikh) who they see as infallible and hardly ever check up themselves on what is being taught. Its what has given rise to these divisions in Islam, and is very important that people educate themselves according to how the religion advises to bring unity and conformity. Although there are some minor differences between some divisions, there are some who go to extremes. But Alhamdulillah, there are organisations and speakers here trying their utmost to unite the community and the ummah as a whole


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Whether they be Muslims, Christians, Jews, or Sabians, those who have kept with their ways towards God they will have nothing to fear and they will not experience sorrow.- The Qur’an Ch.2 explains that Christians and Jews are still considered to be on the right path regardless of minor differences and discrepancies, a misconception that some Muslims have for example.
Ah, you gotta be careful with this qoute bro, as you have to know the context of what its talking about. It refers to those people who follow Tawheed (that there is no deity worthy of worship except the One True God) I clarified this quote in this post here post #65.
 

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Accurate knowledge of your beliefs is important. If you're a Christian, the Bible agrees with this as well. For instance:

1 Timothy 1:4 - [Gods] will is that all sorts of men should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth.

John 17:3 - This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.

1 Peter 3:15 - But sanctify the Christ as Lord in YOUR hearts, always ready to make a defense before everyone that demands of YOU a reason for the hop in you, but doing so together with a mild temper and deep respect.

Romans 12:2 - And quit being fashioned after this system of things, but be transformed by making your mind over, that you may prove to yourselves the good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
 
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