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Though, i don't see how Riku could spawn off a Nobody that is seemingly taller than he is. Nobodies are the exact same height as their somebodies.

I'm not arguing that. I just didn't know where this "Nobodies don't age" thing came about when one of the only possible examples is automatically ruled out. As for the other bit, Axel and Riku show too little qualities to have any direct relation (at least any Nobody-relation), one of the key ones being him not being able (or at least not shown) to wield the Keyblade. I'm sure if he were able to take control of one, Xemnas would have used him the same way he used Roxas. I just believe that there is some sort of connection between the two, even if it's strictly symbolism.

Also pertaining to the quoted bit, apparrently Sora spawned a Nobody taller than he was if Roxas is the same height as KH2 Sora, yet never grew since birth, and KH1 Sora is shorter than KH2 Sora. I'm guessing Roxas did age, they just didn't want to make two models. If he didn't, then Sora spawned a Nobody taller than he was. It seems at least one of the two has to be right, and I'm going with the former.
 
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Really, it's the fault of gameplay graphics and Nomura and co being to lazy to stick with continuity.
As such, I wouldn't be surprised if the characters we see in Days never age (Riku, Nami, etc). I would be that surprised if they stayed at a constant model the entire time. But i guess we'll just have to see.
 

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I said this about two pages back, but the threads moving fast, so I'll repeat it and answe a question asked about it.
What I said was, "Is there any chance Terra is Axels Somebody?" To which someone (I believe it was BH) Asked, "if that was true, wouldn't Axel be the one talking to Aqua's armor?"
Now, I personally never really saw Terra and Aqua being that friendly to each other, it seems more like Ven is friends with Terra and Aqua, but Terra and Aqua aren't that friendly with each other, more like aquantences, so Terra may not even talk to Aqua, assuming she IS gone.
 
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Terra and Axel being related like that is even less likely.
They're nothing alike, for one thing, and for Terra to have become a Nobody just doesnt make sense. There would no way for him to be the 8th member since, if he were to become one, he would probably be the first to do so.

Not to mention, given the many similarities between Terra and Xehanort, i truly doubt they would go down that line and make Terra and Axel connected at all.
 

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Yeah, I kind of figured that one out myself. Given that Xemnas is number one, and it would mean that Terra had to wait around for like, eleven years before he ,became a nobody and Axel joined, assuming that's how they're assigned numbers... Lol.
 

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The theory is this:

Axel, before he was named, had to have given Xemnas a fake name to cover the identity of his Somebody. I don't have the time to type out 20+ pages of a manifesto that my friend put together regarding Axel and his supposed Somebody, but the argument is that Axel and Riku are Somebody/Nobody.

Guys and girls, hear me out.

If any of you recall, Riku wanted to protect his identity from those he cared for so that they wouldn't learn of his life in darkness; he wore the blindfold, the Organization cloak and very well could have gone by a codename prior to having Ansem's appearance and thereby taking his name. You want information? You've got it.

I thought the reason why Riku wore the blindfold was to make him forget he had sunken into the darkness. Forced to take on the appearance of the one who had caused so much pain to his friends, he could do nothing but lie to himself and prevent himself from seeing his appearance.

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-Riku was clearly infatuated with Kairi and displayed acts of chivalry greater than Sora could have ever done in all three games together.

-Axel, while less heroic and passionate in his protective actions, saves Namine in Castle Oblivion and in KHII at least four times--freeing her from Marluxia, freeing her from a locked closet, taking care of her while she isn't with Riku, granting her wish to see Kairi. Similarly, in KHII, rather than harming Kairi as he kidnaps her, he merely takes her arm and pulls her into darkness with no intentions of using force. Why does he open a portal for Sora to go through in Betwixt and Between? For Kairi and Sora's benefit. Call it a way to "make up" for, not only trying to harm Roxas, but for putting Kairi and Sora in harms way. A very Riku-esque thing to do.

Riku was never infatuated with Kairi. Ever. Sure, her sudden appearance out of nowhere clearly intrigued him as much it did Sora, but he never was infatuated with her. That was Sora's thing. And Riku, being Sora's best friend and brother-figure, noticed this and picked on Sora by pretending to like Kairi. Of course, him being Sora's friend and Kairi being the most precious person to Sora besides himself, Riku felt obligated to protect Kairi when Sora was incapable of it.

Axel saved them for his own profit. He didn't care if Kairi and Namine joined again, this just meant he had a chance to see Roxas one more time, HIS best friend. Why Axel doesn't use force when kidnapping her in Twilight Town is most likely because Kairi couldn't fight back. And neither could Pence or Hayner. Olette just sat on the couch and watched them. >>; Anyways, Axel shows up and grabs her arm and is able to drag her into the portal with little resistance, being that much stronger than Kairi.

-Riku and Axel's eye color are unique to them and only them. Aqua; not green, folks.
-Stature, posture, gesticulation, even hair style (given that Axel's hair be watered down some): all very similar

Just as Riku wanted to hide himself from the world after throwing himself into darkness, Axel would want to protect Riku's true identity, and thus give Xemnas a fake name to re-create.

Those are the more important points to the manifesto, and why I say Axel is most definitely NOT "Ale" because he's "hahaha. BEER." And his relation to Reno? Don't even get me started.

Have anything you'd like to add in objection, fandom?​

Eye colors don't match up. And besides that, using eye color as a basis isn't a very strong point in the first place. True, Nami, Kairi, Sora, and Roxas all had blue eyes, but then again, so did half of everyone else. =P

Axel is taller than Riku. Riku was a few inches taller than Roxas and Axel is clearly a foot taller than Roxas. Don't believe me?
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You can see how much taller Axel is than Roxas and I'm pretty sure that Riku was only as tall as him or taller was when he had Ansem/Xehanort's appearance.

Their body types aren't that similar to me. Axel looks skinner than Riku and Riku looks more muscular to me.

Now, about your point on the hair color, when a Nobody is made, their physical features are similar to their other yet not identical. Although Xemnas' hair still retained the same color it was as Ansem, Roxas' hair was blonde as opposed to Sora's brown. However, this does not mean that Riku's silver/gray hair will turn into the bright red known as Axel's hair.

The last thing I have to add is that Axel is clearly an adult while Riku is still in his teens. True, we have no proof yet of Nobodies aging other than Namine, but even if they could, that would not explain why Axel is older than Riku.

Point is: Axel =/= Riku.
 

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I 100% completely agree with your idea
pretty much everything you typed up here is a mirror of my oppinion
especially the Ale thing, which has apparently been deemed "fact" when its really just blind speculation that sounds completely ridiculous

Riku was never infatuated with Kairi. Ever.
I havent read any nomura announcements concerning this, so i think its more of an oppinion thing, and thus not fit to be used as factual information
 

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It's truly sad when someone demonstrates no understanding of the games. *shakes head*

It's truly sad when someone assumes someone has no understanding of the games just because that person disagrees with you
*shakes head*
 
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It's truly sad when someone assumes someone has no understanding of the games just because that person disagrees with you
*shakes head*
lol. "Just because". That part makes me laugh.
Since it really shows that you actually don't understand.
There's a difference between agreeing the possibility is there, and agreeing 100% for that to have been the case. If you agree at the possibility, then I wouldn't assume you didnt understand the game, but for you to agree 100% for that to be the case proves you dont understand it at all.
 

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lol. "Just because". That part makes me laugh.
Since it really shows that you actually don't understand.
There's a difference between agreeing the possibility is there, and agreeing 100% for that to have been the case. If you agree at the possibility, then I wouldn't assume you didnt understand the game, but for you to agree 100% for that to be the case proves you dont understand it at all.

let's not make assumptions here
just because I agree 100% with their idea, doesn't mean that I'm saying its factually going to be in the game
I'm agreeing with an idea that is presented as a possibility
 
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*shakes head*

Point is, it isn't possible.

In the ending, Riku and the King are on the other side of the door. Why is that?

Nomura: As far as the King is concerned, he was on the other side from the beginning. He disappeared because he went to the world on the other side in order to find one of the two keys. There, he has his own adventure in the same way as Sora. As for Riku, his body stolen by Ansem (Xehanort's Heartless), his heart did not remain in this world. The other side of the door is, just as it appears, Darkness. So Riku's heart went to the world on the other side, that is to say just as Ansem (Xehanort's Heartless) was saying at the end, the world of Darkness. Thus, when Ansem (Xehanort's Heartless) disappears and Riku returns to his original body, he is in the world of Darkness. (Riku returned to his original body, therefore leaving no Heartless or Nobody.)
 

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now, i admit that i have not studied kingdom hearts, and my information is full of holes
but i was under the impression that sora returned to his body as well
same with kairi
 
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Kairi did. Sora didn't until Roxas fused with him in Twilight Town.
Meaning, Sora was only a heart from the point he stabbed himself, until the end of Roxas' story in KH2.
 

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a heart with memory of flesh and memory of weight? that visually looked, from other people's point of view, like sora
but kairi did, so i dont see the problem with axel and riku
 
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I have no idea what you're trying to imply.
The point is, Riku is complete. A heartless was never made, a body was never casted off, and when Xehanort's Heartless was defeated, Riku obtained his original body. Making him complete.
No Nobody or Heartless was ever made from Riku. Nomura has said as much.
 

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i dunno, from what i read there it sounds like he only said that he returned to his original body, nothing about him not creating a heartless or nobody

and what i was trying to get at with the kairi thing, if kairi could return to her body and yet still have namine' doing her thing separately, why couldnt riku?
 
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because Naminé was created in an extremely rare circumstance, in which she used Sora's body to be created, and not Kairi's. The same can't be said about Riku at all.
 

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I don't get this. Nobodies are suppose to look like their somebodies. Yet the only similarity you can come up with is their eyes, which aren't even the same colour. Xemnas looks like Xehanort. Roxas....looks like Ven, but is suppose to look like Sora. Etc. But Axel looks nothing like Riku, they are 2 totally different heights, body build. Why would someone even think that?
 
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