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Here are some questions that are bothering me, please help me understand

According to yen sid, the x-blade shattered and the seven pieces of light intertwined with the children who rebuilt the worlds, making them princesses of heart.
how can kairi possibly be a princess of heart? The keyblade war happened a long time before xehanort. Kairi was only a small child when her grandmother told her the story as well. Since her grandmother told her the story, and claimed it was in an age of fairy tales, how could she possibly be one?

How did xehanort know to come to destiny islands before the world fell into darkness? Xigbar claims he did it so he could trap sora and riku in the world that never was to take sora as his thirteenth vessel . How did xehanort know sora would venture into the realm of dreams in KHI? What's more, if Xehanort planned to take Sora as a vessel before the islands fell into darkness, why did they take roxas as the thirteenth? Or why did young XH say they had their sights set on riku originally?

Why didn't ansem and xemnas need the x-blade to allow kingdom hearts to resurface, yet xehanort is constantly claiming one needs it to even see kingdom hearts.

Why did the twelve Xehanort's disappear in KH 3D? Are you telling me they initiated this plan so far in the past only to talk for thirty minutes to sora and riku, and inconveniently run out of time? Will these Xehanorts still be able to surface in KHIII? If so, won't they run out of time again?

Why doesn't Riku appear with yellow eyes when ansem possess him? And how does Ansem recover his own body after possessing Riku?

Yen said says the sleeping keyholes correspond with the seven pure lights. Yet none of these worlds with the sleeping keyholes Has a princess of hearts to correspond with. Like traverse town. How does it correspond to the princesses?

What does the pink door represent in kingdom hearts one? It appears three times in serious parrs . In the beginning of sora's dream, when kairi drifts into sora's heart, and before the first fight with Ansem on Destiny islands.

Is the Kingdom Key part of the x-blade? I know the kingdom key and the kkd were needed to seal kingdom hearts... so it must be, right?

In KHI, why did kairi and her grandmother lose sight of each other in the memory kairi shared with Sora? When her grandmother finished the story, both of them looked around the room and called the other as if the other had dissapeared.

These things truly bother me. Help is highly appreciated. Thanks!
 

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Here are some questions that are bothering me, please help me understand

According to yen sid, the x-blade shattered and the seven pieces of light intertwined with the children who rebuilt the worlds, making them princesses of heart.
how can kairi possibly be a princess of heart? The keyblade war happened a long time before xehanort. Kairi was only a small child when her grandmother told her the story as well. Since her grandmother told her the story, and claimed it was in an age of fairy tales, how could she possibly be one?
Actually what Yen Sid says is that the X-blade shattered into 7 pieces of light and 13 of darkness.
No one in the games or on the creative staff of the series has ever said those 7 lights intertwined with humans and formed the 7 PoH.

In truth we don't know what exactly the roles of the 7 PoH are or how they remain a constant force. It's assumed the title is passed when one dies or that they are actually reincarnated repeatedly.

All that we know is that the 7 PoH came into being after the war and that they can be used to forge the "Keyblade of Heart" mentioned in the BBS reports and the DDD glosary.
Of course given that Ansem gathered them to open the Door to Darkness does infer us to the fact that the "keyblade of heart" these seven form acts as the key to the gate separating the realms of light & dark.

The keyblade war took place in an age so far gone that only the keyblade masters remember it. This tells us the age of fairy tails is one from eons before.
Meaning nobody currently within the series could've been alive then.

How did xehanort know to come to destiny islands before the world fell into darkness? Xigbar claims he did it so he could trap sora and riku in the world that never was to take sora as his thirteenth vessel . How did xehanort know sora would venture into the realm of dreams in KHI? What's more, if Xehanort planned to take Sora as a vessel before the islands fell into darkness, why did they take roxas as the thirteenth? Or why did young XH say they had their sights set on riku originally?
Cause time travel. Xehanort, acting through Ansem, had already been in the past setting up DDD by giving YX his time traveling powers and his mission to gather the other Xehanorts in the present.
He wanted Sora for the 13th vessel of his new organization, not the old one. They originally planned to use the old Org but decided most weren't useful in that regard, Roxas was a prime candidate according to YX but Roxas became to self aware and returned to Sora before they could get him.

They had their sights set on Riku because Riku had already became a vessel once when Ansem stole his body. They had hoped to use him again but since Riku had developed a resistance to the darkness he was useless to them now so they chose Sora as his replacement.

Why didn't ansem and xemnas need the x-blade to allow kingdom hearts to resurface, yet xehanort is constantly claiming one needs it to even see kingdom hearts.
Ansem & Xemnas created artificial kingdom hearts. What Xehanort says is that the true one can only appear with the Xblade.
Furthermore Xemnas planned to use his false KH to make all the original Org members vessels.

Why did the twelve Xehanort's disappear in KH 3D? Are you telling me they initiated this plan so far in the past only to talk for thirty minutes to sora and riku, and inconveniently run out of time? Will these Xehanorts still be able to surface in KHIII? If so, won't they run out of time again?
For dramatic flare, joking, the real reason is cause MX mentions they were meant to gather there to see his return as a whole person and to unite the 13 darkness' needed.

We dont know the full mechanics but the special properties of The World That Never Was is what allowed all 13 to gather and it's likely for the same reasons that all 13 couldn't stay in one spot long.

Why doesn't Riku appear with yellow eyes when ansem possess him? And how does Ansem recover his own body after possessing Riku?
Cause the yellow eyes shtick wasn't thought up till around BBS plus Ansem already goes as far as to warp the bodies entire look so the hint of yellow eyes isn't needed.

Ansem doesn't recover his own body. The Ansem you see is from the past meaning the body he's currently in during DDD is Riku's from KH1.

Yen said says the sleeping keyholes correspond with the seven pure lights. Yet none of these worlds with the sleeping keyholes Has a princess of hearts to correspond with. Like traverse town. How does it correspond to the princesses?
Actually he says "just as there are 7 pure lights, there are also 7 sleeping keyholes". The correspondence isn't to the PoH specifically or even the 7 shards of the Xblade.
The similarity starts and ends with the number 7.

What does the pink door represent in kingdom hearts one? It appears three times in serious parrs . In the beginning of sora's dream, when kairi drifts into sora's heart, and before the first fight with Ansem on Destiny islands.

We don't know and since it's never appeared since it's likely not important.

Is the Kingdom Key part of the x-blade? I know the kingdom key and the kkd were needed to seal kingdom hearts... so it must be, right?
Incorrect! What was needed to seal the Door to Darkness, not Ansem's false kingdom hearts, was a keyblade from the realm of light (this case being the kingdom key) and a keyblade from the dark realm (the KKD which Mickey purposely sought and found).

Them all being of similar design has yet to gain any significance in the story so it's likely because Nomura just made them that way.

In KHI, why did kairi and her grandmother lose sight of each other in the memory kairi shared with Sora? When her grandmother finished the story, both of them looked around the room and called the other as if the other had dissapeared.
Sora was seeing one of Kairi's memmories, her heart was calling out to him from within his own, mid way Sora then calls out to Kairi and the little inception moment ends.
 
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I know xehanort used time travel, but YX says apprentice XH cast his heart from his body to set him on the appointed path, then, when the time was right, set himself on the islands before they were overtaken. Ansem did not time travel when he set himself on the islands to follow sora into the RoD, because there was no other version of himself on the island at that time. He placed himself there so he COULD time travel later on, so it had to have been real time, for that moment. That being said, Hansen had to have some kind of preconcieved notion.

Xehanort must have some how known of Yen Sid's plans to recover the sleeping worlds beforehand. When Ansem spoke to YX, Sora was far from being born. How then did Ansem know Sora would go to the realm of dreams? Sora asked YX the same question and he scoffed and replied, "Simple." Then the scene ends with Kairi being blasted towards him. Is it because of her? Remember in Ansem's journal he states he sent kairi across the ocean of worlds, and she would resonate with the key bearer. Since she was with Sora, is that why he went to the islands in the time of destruction?

Are you saying the door to darkness is artificial? If that was the real DtD, how can his KH be fake? The DTD and KH are connected, right? How then did Mickey and Riku help seal the door? The DTD is the entrance to KH right? That had to be the true RoD.. Kairi's grandmother even States in KH1 that one day the door to the innermost darkness will one day open, and the true light will return. Was she not speaking of the day of Ansem and Sora's fight?

When I say Ansem's body I meant the body Ansem has in KH1. Why when Sora defeats Riku/Ansem, does the real Ansem emerge? Where did this body come from, seeing he was only a heart when he possessed Riku?

In Kairi's memory, kairi and her grandmother lose sight of each other, as if the other had dissapeared.

Still confused
 
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No, watch the DDD secret ending again. Yen said States the broken pieces of the x-blade connected with the hearts of the children that rebuilt the worlds, then mickey says "they're the princesses of heart."
I can see why you think this, but let's take a closer look:

Yen Sid: The Keyblade Wars of yore plunged the true Kingdom Hearts into
darkness, and the Chi-blade was shattered. But the light still shining in
the hearts of children rebuilt the world that we know today.

That says nothing about the broken pieces connecting with the hearts of children, that light was already there. Let's continue:

And the light from the broken Chi-blade was then divided into seven, to protect the
number of pure hearts in the world.

See, the light FROM THE X-Blade was divided to protect the already existing 7 pure hearts. Meaning that they were all separate elements, and none of them became the others. (Members on this forum with the Keyblade Master Badge generally know what they're talking about when it comes to this series mythos)
I know xehanort used time travel, but YX says apprentice XH cast his heart from his body to set him on the appointed path, then set himself of the islands before they were overtaken. When Ansem spoke to YX, Sora was far from being born. How then did Ansem know Sora would go to the realm of dreams? Sora asked YX the same question and he scoffed and replied, "Simple." Then the scene ends.

There are many elements here at play. For one, Sora was not the one being targeted initially and has always been a wildcard, so keep that in mind. Two: Xehanort had many plans all running concurrently, it's not so much that he knew 100% what was about to happen, but he had his goals and their paths all lined up in case one or more should happen to fall, and they did.

The appointed path was time travel, Young Xehanort was appointed with traveling forward in time and gathering all the members that he needed to throughout time. Young Xehanort was not tasked with waiting on the islands the night they fell, that was the robed Xehanort's job. Initially, The Xehanorts were targeting Riku. The plans that they had involved, including plunging the world into darkness was partly because of the fact that Riku was the one chosen.

Chosen by who? Well, keep in mind, the robed Xehanort is the heartless of the Xehanort that overtook and abandoned Terra's body. Nomura's mentioned that part of the reason Xehanort was there that day was to see Riku. We see evidence of this in coded, but that's another subject. It's possible that Xehanort knew Terra had chosen Riku as a successor and was hoping to trigger his Keyblade summoning, and he knew that they'd be there that night because Xehanort used Kairi as bait. He sent her, knowing she was a princess, into the sea of stars hoping she'd lead him to Keybladers. So if he didn't suspect Riku already, that might have clenched it. Kairi sensed the darkness overtaking the island and ran to the world's heart, it's hinted to hold the darkness back. If that's the case then it's possible that Kairi collapsed as soon as she saw Sora. Which is why when Young Xehanort said simple, Kairi's sleepy body flew through the air. The Xehanorts continued to follow Riku up until it became futile, and as they said, they followed the Keyblade down the line and chose Sora.

Are you saying the door to darkness is artificial? Ansem calls this door, Kingdom Hearts. How is this Kingdom Hearts artificial if it is actually connected to the realm of darkness, and needed the KK and KKD to seal the door?

The Door to Darkness was very real, but the Kingdom Hearts that Ansem was speaking to that lied beyond it is very much artificial. Kingdom Hearts 3D has a series of mementos, chronicles, and glossaries that further expand upon the series. They clarify a lot of things left vague, including this. Here is the glossary's official take on Kingdom Hearts itself. Remember, this is the most current and canon definition we have:

According to legend, the source of all true light is known as "Kingdom Hearts."We know Xehanort has created two Kingdom Hearts now, both artificially, by amassing enough hearts. One was made from the hearts of worlds, and the other from the hearts of people.
The Kingdom Hearts made from the hearts of worlds had a door that led to the realm of darkness; its depths were never fully charted.
The Kingdom Hearts made from the hearts of people was believed to have the power to recomplete someone whose heart had been lost.

In Kingdom Hearts I, Xehanort's Heartless lead the Heartless on their war in the realm of light and plunged countless worlds into darkness, forcing their hearts to construct the Kingdom Hearts, most fans say that we see it faintly behind the Door to Darkness. Notice the black heart beyond the door?

Kingdom_Hearts_is_Light_07_KH.png


That Kingdom Hearts was destroyed with Sora sealed the Door to Darkness. It is artificial because it was forced and easily accessible. Well. Easier than the true Kingdom Hearts, which sleeps even deeper in the Darkness beyond any mortal's reach.

When I say Anselm's body I meant the body Anselm has in KH1. Why when Sora defeats Riku/Ansem, the real Ansem emerge? Where did this body come from, seeing he was only a heart when he possessed Riku?
Ansem has the ability to morph his hosts bodies so that they resemble his own. We see it happen in Birth by Sleep as well. The transformation is complete when Ansem booted Riku's heart out of his own body and sent it to the Realm of Darkness. When Ansem was destroyed Riku's proper form returned, allegedly. We see Riku in his own form in Final Mix, but that could be symbolic.

In Kairi's memory, kairi and her grandmother lose sight of each other, as if the other had dissapeared.

Still confused

You're looking too much into this, but it's possible that this happened right before Kairi was abducted.

EDIT: you've edited your post, but what I say still stands.
 
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Tinny already got most of it but I wanna address the body bit. Ansem stole Riku's body and then changed it's shape, we see that here when he shifts from Riku's appearance to his own:


And here:


---In the ending, why were Riku and the King on the other side of the door?
Nomura: In the King’s case, he was on the other side from the beginning. The reason why the King disappeared was because in search for one of the two keys, he went to the other side of the world. He had an adventure unfold just like Sora, and he obtained the key and ended up there.
In Riku’s case, his body was stolen by Ansem, so that means Riku’s heart was not in this realm anymore. As you saw on the other side of the door, it is darkness. And that side of the world, in other words, in the end Riku’s heart went to the world of darkness just like Ansem said. Then
http://kh-ultimania.livejournal.com/3508.html

Any time you see Ansem in a form that isn't Robed Figure its him in Riku's body.

As for the Kairi bit you really are looking far to deep into it.
 
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I know xehanort used time travel, but YX says apprentice XH cast his heart from his body to set him on the appointed path, then, when the time was right,: Ansem set himself on the islands before they were overtaken. Ansem did not time travel when he set himself on the islands to follow sora into the RoD, because there was no other version of himself on the island at that time. He placed himself there so he COULD time travel later on, so it had to have been real time, for that moment. That being said, Hansen had to have some kind of preconcieved notion.
Xehanort must have some how known of Yen Sid's plans to recover the sleeping worlds beforehand. When Ansem spoke to YX, Sora was far from being born. How then did Ansem know Sora would go to the realm of dreams? Sora asked YX the same question and he scoffed and replied, "Simple." Then the scene ends with Kairi being blasted towards him. Is it because of her? Remember in Ansem's journal he states he sent kairi across the ocean of worlds, and she would resonate with the key bearer. Since she was with Sora, is that why he went to the islands in the time of destruction?
 

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I know xehanort used time travel, but YX says apprentice XH cast his heart from his body to set him on the appointed path, then, when the time was right,: Ansem set himself on the islands before they were overtaken. Ansem did not time travel when he set himself on the islands to follow sora into the RoD, because there was no other version of himself on the island at that time. He placed himself there so he COULD time travel later on, so it had to have been real time, for that moment. That being said, Hansen had to have some kind of preconcieved notion.
Xehanort must have some how known of Yen Sid's plans to recover the sleeping worlds beforehand. When Ansem spoke to YX, Sora was far from being born. How then did Ansem know Sora would go to the realm of dreams? Sora asked YX the same question and he scoffed and replied, "Simple." Then the scene ends with Kairi being blasted towards him. Is it because of her? Remember in Ansem's journal he states he sent kairi across the ocean of worlds, and she would resonate with the key bearer. Since she was with Sora, is that why he went to the islands in the time of destruction?

I don't know how to feel about you just reposting your post after we already answered it?
 

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I didn't know if you saw me edit that haha.... it still does not answer why Ansem went to the islands on that day, so all Xehanort's could traverse the dream realm...
 

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I know xehanort used time travel, but YX says apprentice XH cast his heart from his body to set him on the appointed path, then, when the time was right,: Ansem set himself on the islands before they were overtaken. Ansem did not time travel when he set himself on the islands to follow sora into the RoD, because there was no other version of himself on the island at that time. He placed himself there so he COULD time travel later on, so it had to have been real time, for that moment. That being said, Hansen had to have some kind of preconcieved notion.
Xehanort must have some how known of Yen Sid's plans to recover the sleeping worlds beforehand. When Ansem spoke to YX, Sora was far from being born. How then did Ansem know Sora would go to the realm of dreams? Sora asked YX the same question and he scoffed and replied, "Simple." Then the scene ends with Kairi being blasted towards him. Is it because of her? Remember in Ansem's journal he states he sent kairi across the ocean of worlds, and she would resonate with the key bearer. Since she was with Sora, is that why he went to the islands in the time of destruction?

Your thinking in the conventional sense. "Ansem" was nonexistent by the time Sora went on his DDD journey because it was Ansem & Xemnas' destruction that brought MX back at the end of DDD. This was covered in Recoded's ending when Yen Sid warns of Master Xehanort's return.
Ergo "Ansem" doesn't exist in real time anymore only the present MX does.

Also the point in which Sora went into the RoD was during the time of KH1. Ansem was very much alive during KH1 and we see him on the islands for that reason, KH1 is Ansem's present just as the past is YX's present.
So yes, there was indeed an Ansem there during KH1 for which Ansem to be there.

Ansem goes to the past and sets YX off and then either returns to what is his present, KH1, or waits there till KH1 and then sets off the events of both KH1 and DDD.

— The Brown Robed Fgure, a Heartless born from that experiment, says “This world has been connected.” While in KH1 that meant that the island was connected to the darkness, in this title does it signify that Xehanort and co. have connected to the dream world?

Nomura: It means both of those things. In that scene, the Brown Robed Figure becomes a “portal” himself as a result of contact with Sora and co., making it possible for the other Xehanorts to intervene within the dreams.

Ansem is the "portal" that allows the Xehanorts to follow Sora into dreams. Your practically arguing against Nomura here because he's the one that gave us the info Ansem was there acting out these schemes.

Your forgetting that there is also more than one Xehanort. Even though MX revived fully at the end of DDD, Xigbar and Saix had already formed.
They bear his heart, they are technically versions of him that could relay information.

Your also forgetting the very important fact that YX points out a couple times, that he forgets everything when he returns to his proper time.
Anything of the future can't be retained consciously in the past. This in turn means it's impossible for Xehanort to have known of everything that was gonna happen beforehand because his youngest self forgets them.

This also means that the entirety of DDD literally was just MX's level of cunning and foresight, and perhaps some hidden snooping on one of his vessels (present version) part, being shown.
 
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I know that Ansem was the portal for the other Xehanort's.. I knew everything you posted just then

My question is, how did Ansem understand he must become the portal that far in advance? Xigbar says "He was there then, to make sure you would be here now."

Obviously for some reason Ansem in Kingdom Hearts one knew to set Sora up to stumble into The World that never was , years before DDD, without time travel.

How did Ansem, or even apprentice Xehanort, plan this?

Do you see what I am asking?
 
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My question is, how did Ansem understand he must become the portal that far in advance? Xigbar says "He was there then, to make sure you would be here now."

Obviously for some reason Ansem in Kingdom Hearts one knew to set Sora up to stumble into The World that never , years before DDD, without time travel.

Do you see what I am asking?
I know what your asking, you just dont see what we're answering to you. Ansem couldn't have had foresight because anything learned of the future is forgotten when that version of yourself returns to the past.
This means that Ansem having any type of foresight or future knowledge in advance is impossible.

One could argue that he went to the present of DDD and then went back but YX also points out that you can:
"Once you arrive at your destination, you can only move forward as per the laws of time"

Meaning there is no hopping back and forth. How exactly it was set up means it can only be from a present standpoint. The only hint to how this was done is in Yen Sid's shock when he exclaims "Could he be that cunning?! Posses that kind of foresight!?"
As Tinny told you, this is a classic example of MX making use of a fail safe should his Ansem-Xemnas divided plan fail.

Xehanort knew of his particular form of time travel, Ansem made use of this time travel and acted on it sending YX on his way then playing his part in KH1.
It was all just one big scheme Xehanort set up as a fail safe through Ansem.

The kairi part you mentioned was indeed to find a keybearer, however Sora wasn't their first choice, Riku was. Kairi being there meant was the catalyst for both being there that night.

It's confusing, yes painfully. It's trollish, yes greatly, but it's Nomura's excuse and he's clinging to it.

In the end we're supposed to take it as MX just being one intelligent SOB with a level of foresight that doesn't even exist in real life.
 
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I know that Ansem was the portal for the other Xehanort's.. I knew everything you posted just then

My question is, how did Ansem understand he must become the portal that far in advance? Xigbar says "He was there then, to make sure you would be here now."

Obviously for some reason Ansem in Kingdom Hearts one knew to set Sora up to stumble into The World that never , years before DDD, without time travel.

Do you see what I am asking?

You are asking, basically, how did he know?

He didn't know everything. He didn't. But like I said, Xehanort had planned many, many roads. The true Organization XIII Versus the 7 Guardians of Light was the endgame plan, and that couldn't go through until both failsafes had fallen through. Yen Sid even said that it wasn't out of the realm of possibility that Xehanort always suspected that one of Yen Sid's wielders would enter the Realm of Sleep. It's possible that Xehanort predicted that one of the future wielders would be from Destiny Islands, if only because it was his hometown. At the end of the day, we're supposed to just chalk it up to his own cunning tendencies.

Edit: I was beat, but yeah. My point stands
 

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That is my point.... there is no way ansem could have had this foresight, so how did he think to place himself there?
 

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That is my point.... there is no way ansem could have had this foresight, so how did he think to place himself there?

Tinny just told you in the simplest answer possible. =_=

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The best way to put it is Ansem had gone to the past in one unrealistic scheme to send YX on a trip as a fail-safe to his Ansem-Xemnas plan.
Then in the present (then KH1) he went to the islands, either by Terra's memories of Riku or following to see if Kairi had led him to a wielder.
She did, Ansem was now there tempting Riku.

While there it's possible he noticed the second Riku & Sora running around and decided to send other Xehanorts into the RoD with them.
From there, thanks to Xehanort's ability to share his time travel, you now have multiple versions running around (some likely going backwards from DDD) that could fill each other in what's happened from the point of YX to the point of MX's return.

Simply put this entire thing was set up in, then, present time by Ansem as a fail safe to his current scheme.
He didn't know every detail but had the basics set up just in case.
 
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That is my point.... there is no way ansem could have had this foresight, so how did he think to place himself there?

THAT IS MY POINT! He was there anyway! Yen Sid said he probably thought of things so far in advance that he covered his ass on multiple fronts including having someone on the islands the night they fell in case the future wielders from Destiny Islands decided to hop into the realm of sleep or traverse time.

It's possible that Xehanort placed himself throughout many fixed points in time, and had plans we've yet to see. Nomura will probably use this possibility to shoehorn in many new surprises in the future. Your simplest answer is: Xehanort knows Yen Sid and is really good at guessing and over-planning.
 

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It still does not answer, or even nullify the point that it would be impossible for Ansem to know these things in advance, yet he did.

Everything you two have said revolves around the point that Xehanort had many back ups in case his plans fails.

How did Ansem know to set sora up even if it was a backup plan, and more importantly, become a portal?

If he did not time travel to the islands at that particular time,

It is impossible

Or maybe I'm stupid
 

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=_= Your making it far harder than it needs to be. Your assuming Ansem had knowledge beforehand, he didn't. He had set YX off as already as one of his backups.
With YX now going forward it's possible for him to lend the power to time travel to present Xehanorts the same way Ansem did to YX and thus you now have YX going forward, some going backward, and just all the info being shared.

You now have all these multiple points and Xehanort's mingling.

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The best way to put it is Ansem had gone to the past in one unrealistic scheme to send YX on a trip as a fail-safe to his Ansem-Xemnas plan.
Then in the present (then KH1) he went to the islands, either by Terra's memories of Riku or following to see if Kairi had led him to a wielder.
She did, Ansem was now there tempting Riku.

While there it's possible he noticed the second Riku & Sora running around and decided to send other Xehanorts into the RoD with them.
From there, thanks to Xehanort's ability to share his time travel, you now have multiple versions running around (some likely going backwards from DDD) that could fill each other in what's happened from the point of YX to the point of MX's return.

Simply put this entire thing was set up in, then, present time by Ansem as a fail safe to his current scheme.
He didn't know every detail but had the basics set up just in case.

There are multiple ways to explain how he done this but the main point to your question is that Ansem knew nothing, just sent YX as a precaution just in case.
It all evolved from there.

This really is just as simple as Ansem, then KH1 being the present, went back and sent YX off as a "plan B".
He didn't need prior knowledge, all Ansem did was send YX on his way.
 

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Damn it. He had to know something or he would not have been on the islands to make sure sora would come into TWTNW.

And it is impossible for him to know anything about the plan of the RoD, enslaving Sora especially..

Good night and thank you very much for trying to help me, even though I can't pass this small question.

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*flips table* Ansem didn't make sure Sora ended up as TWTNW Young Xehanort did!
This is a lost cause, I'm going to bed too. =_=
 

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It still does not answer, or even nullify the point that it would be impossible for Ansem to know these things in advance, yet he did.
It's too good to be true, but that's one of the things that Xehanort was counting on. It truly doesn't make a lot of sense, but this is all we know.

Everything you two have said revolves around the point that Xehanort had many back ups in case his plans fails.
That is how Xehanort works, yes.

How did Ansem know to set sora up, and more importantly, become a portal?
They weren't following Sora initially, they were watching Riku. Riku was originally the set up, but by the time Young Xehanort entered the Realm of Dreams it became apparent that Riku was no longer the option and so they followed Sora. The dialogue is confusing, but the Xehanorts weren't setting up Sora initially. I've already made that point. Ansem, just by being on the islands the night they fell, was already a portal whether he was aware of it or not.

If he did not time travel to the islands at that particular time,

It is impossible

Or maybe I'm stupid

Young Xehanort's goal was to bob and weave through time as it flows forward and bring the Xehanorts to the gathering of the 13. While doing so he undoubtedly came across Xehanorts who were living in real-time and knew which numbers to make up. The Realm of Dreams exists outside of time so once you're in there things are a bit different, and Xehanort knew it would come to pass upon his own recompletion. Perhaps this was because he's capable of possessing his other selves, as we see him do before his recompletion is finished.
 
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