Omni and Hades Conversation...

[OmniChaos]

I felt this should be posted...
This is a conversation Hades and myself just resently held over MSN...
It mainly revolves around MX and DS and connections to them...
As you know, when we get together, it's going to be good... This time shall not disappoint... Warning, though, it's long... =]

EDIT: The first part is about Terra...

Omni says:
But, there is still the non canon possibility...
Hades says:
Well, yeah.
Hades says:
...and the possibility that it's Terra Replica, =D.
Hades says:
Hence, attacks are the same...
Omni says:
Meaning all of Terra's moves could simply be copies of others...
Omni says:
As I so clearly pointed out...
Hades says:
VAT ignored that, D=.
Omni says:
Heh...
Omni says:
It's obvious that the majority of his attacks were copied from another character...
Hades says:
And tweaked...
Hades says:
Meaning the connection might be meaningless.
Omni says:
The battle not being canon is starting to look more possible...
Omni says:
I mean, come on... Nomura had nothing to do with Terra being in the game in the first place...
Omni says:
FM+, that is...
Hades says:
Well, not necessarily.
Hades says:
It says that the idea was from a staff member.
Hades says:
But he might have pitched that to Nomura himself, and thusly Nomura was involved...
Hades says:
They had to have him for something...
Hades says:
Like providing concept art to create the render...
Omni says:
Possible, yet...
Omni says:
They could have gotten the art from the secret ending...
Hades says:
True...
Omni says:
Anyways... IF Nomura was involved with Terra being in the game, I would think he would come up with more origonal attacks instead of using knock-off attacks from a different character...
Hades says:
...or he might have used the knock-offs on purpose, D=...
Omni says:
If that would be the case, then it would most likely be concept than canon...
Hades says:
Anyway...
Hades says:
I'm really starting to think DS is Xehanort now...
Omni says:
Meh... I'm thinking part of...
Hades says:
MX+DS?
Omni says:
Yup...
Hades says:
That's what I was thinking too.
Omni says:
...
Omni says:
Then you should have said that instead of DS is Xeha...
Hades says:
All the same.
Hades says:
I don't treat Terra=Xehanort any differently...
Omni says:
What do you mean...? You think it's just as possible or that you say the names the same...
Hades says:
Bah, confusing, >.<.
Hades says:
Anyway...
Omni says:
...
Hades says:
The splitting.
Omni says:
Splitting...?
Hades says:
MX and DS.
Omni says:
Ah...
Hades says:
Concept or no?
Hades says:
Probably concept.
Omni says:
I think so...
Omni says:
Mainly foreshadowing...
Hades says:
Since DS is being treated as a separate person, being MX's apprentice...
Hades says:
It might have been symbolic...
Hades says:
DS is shown by himself in a screen...
Omni says:
It easy to assume the DS is(or was) his own person...
Hades says:
Yes...
Omni says:
DS+MX also explains the "eye" mystery...
Hades says:
Yep...
Hades says:
...my mind is slow, so explain, >.<.
Omni says:
lol
Hades says:
I'm sleepy...
Omni says:
Okay... Both DS' and MX's keyblades have eyes on them, right...?
Hades says:
Yes...
Omni says:
So... Let's say DS and MX fuse...
Omni says:
Then, perhaps the keyblades do as well...
Hades says:
...Soul Eater.
Omni says:
Exactly...
Omni says:
Let's say Xehanort appeared in Radient Garden with the Soul Eater...
Omni says:
I mean, he had to have something to get rid of Ansem, who I am sure had guards of some sort...
Omni says:
Now... Xehanort splits, and since it is the nobody that appears elsewhere, Xeha's H is left with the SoulEater...
Omni says:
Now, here's the soft part of this theory...
Omni says:
I strongly believe that Xeha's H was the one behind the Disney Villians in KH1...
Omni says:
They may be smart, but surely not that smart... They had to have gotten info from someone who knew what they were doing...
Hades says:
And he'd get KH open faster by having idiots work for him...
Omni says:
Yup... Now, Ansem may have instructed Maleficent to give Riku the SoulEater and the dark form (gasp, DS...)...
Hades says:
=O
Omni says:
Possibly already planing to take Riku over...
Hades says:
Ah...
Omni says:
And here's another idea... We have 2/3 confirmed times that when Riku was in or had that dark form, Ansem was inside him....
Omni says:
So, if there are two out of three times in which Riku was able to use that darkform and Ansem was inside of him, what if that dark form is actually created from Ansem...?
Omni says:
And that Maleficent actually put Ansem into his heart...?
Hades says:
Hmmm...
Omni says:
Anyways, getting back to the eye, well, when Ansem took on his human form and when we fought him at the end, he weilded a double edged Soul Eater...
Omni says:
Two eyes...!
Hades says:
Yep.
Hades says:
And...?
Omni says:
...One for each keyblade...
Hades says:
Ah...
Hades says:
But...
Hades says:
If the keyblades fused...
Hades says:
Shouldn't Soul Eater have been a keyblade?
Omni says:
Possibly, but... Xehanort lost his memories... What if the Soul Eater became a keyblade substatute after Xeha lost his memories...?
Omni says:
And that Xehanort is the only one who can unlock it's true power...?
Hades says:
...way to dawn.
Omni says:
Yup... The Soul Eater became the WtD when Riku was in Ansem's form...
Hades says:
Yep.
Omni says:
But, I have a feeling that is not the weapon's true form, just another sub form...
Hades says:
...then what is the true form?
Omni says:
I feel Xehanort will take the keyblade back and make it it's true form...
Hades says:
But then Riku will be useless, D=.
Omni says:
Exactly...
Hades says:
Unless it pulls a KK, and decides Riku is more deserving...
Omni says:
Eh... KK picked Sora because he was stronger at that time... And if Xehanort returns to his true form, then there is no way Riku would be stronger...
Hades says:
Well, strenght of heart is something that can change...
Omni says:
True, but, from what we have seen, MX's strength is second to none...
Hades says:
Well, magically and physically yes...
Hades says:
His heart is definitely not weak because he has a keyblade...
Hades says:
...but if Riku becomes useless...
Hades says:
What will happen?
Omni says:
Plus, there is the possibility he could have the power of his KH channeling into him... And IF his KH is the KH of keyblade weilders, then that alone would intencify his heart countless fold...
Hades says:
Oh, yes...
Hades says:
...but that brings another question...
Hades says:
What happened to his KH?
Omni says:
Good question... Well, what if his KH is inside of him...? He could have tried to absorb it into him... Which would explain the near death look...
Hades says:
.
Hades says:
I don't think that KH could fit inside him...
Omni says:
We do not know the extent of his power...
Hades says:
Well, no...
Hades says:
And that's precisely why...
Omni says:
We already know he's the strongest KH character yet to be revealed...
Hades says:
Oh...
Hades says:
you were talking about MX...
Omni says:
And that it appeared like he was toying with VAT in the secret ending...
Omni says:
...Who did you think I was talking about...?
Hades says:
KH.
Hades says:
Remember?
Omni says:
...eh? Now I'm confused...
Hades says:
KH's power is potentially limitless.
Omni says:
Well, MX's could be too...
Hades says:
Possibly...
Hades says:
He seems fairly omnipotent in the concept video...
Omni says:
MX could have absorbed KH inside him... But, maybe it could have gotten weaker if it exploaded and nearly killed MX, not to mention fuse him with DS...
Hades says:
Possibly.
Hades says:
It could also have lost a bunch of hearts...
Omni says:
Which could explain why he was able to contain it within him...
Hades says:
Yes.
Hades says:
...the released hearts could have killed Terra, =O
Hades says:
Like DiZ...
Omni says:
Indeed... Aqua and Ven too...
Hades says:
Yepç...
Hades says:
It would be a fairly tragic ending.
Hades says:
All that hard work for nothing.
Hades says:
All it did was stall MX for a decade or so...
Hades says:
..I need to leave nao, D=.
Hades says:
Nice talking to you Omni.
Omni says:
Same to you, Later...

 

[Arcon-Death]

GRAH that blue is unbearable in tren-z theme...... interesting to say the least though

 

[Charlie K]

Interesting....VERY interesting. Umm and it helps alot.Kinda fits in with my mini theory in the BBS dicussion...

 

[Sir Willis]

I guess you both spend a lot of time thinking about stuff like this......

It sounds very possible, but I think the attacks being the same were just coincidence, I think they just didn't want to have to make an entire set of moves for MX and DS so early.

 

[Athel]

*Claps*
Well done, you too.
You have put MSN to a good use and shed some light on this.
I'm very intrigued about the part with the discussion of the Soul Eater. Interesting....

 

[Stars]

i like what they said... it is very possible..
but i not really understand the DS part..>.<

 

[The Twilight Prince]

Wow. Thats a lot to take in. Theres only one thing I have a problem with. And thats that assuming your theory is correct, then Terra has no more point in the game than being the one to oppose MX and DS, only to be killed off in the end. That seems highly highly unlikely. Ven and Aqua both have some importance and I would only assume that the main character would have some too. Its an amazing theory. But that part just kinda. Eh. Doesn't fit right.

You also have to remember that part where Terra's eyes turn yellow. We still have no idea if thats important. Though it could be just like Roxas' eyes from the Kh2 video. Where he came from the rock and had the heartless symbol and a glowing eye. But for some odd reason, I feel Terra's might be more important. Maybe just to show his connection to Xehanort somehow. I mean. There has to be something with them. Terra's name has similar meaning to Riku's right? Earth and Land. Perhaps this is to show a connection to Xehanort in and of itself? Its a bit of a stretch but still. Riku gets taken over by XH and loses sight of what is truly important. Ex: Why he was to say the least not so nice through Kh1. Could it be that the same type of thing happens with Terra and the DS? Or Terra and MX. Note. I'm not saying they "fuse" or some bull. I'm simply saying that maybe MX tried to take Terra over similar to how XH took over Riku and rather than giving him full control, Terras heart was too strong, and somehow he pushed MX out or something and the effort that took somehow caused some reaction and gave him the white hair and the memory loss.

I noticed something else too.. A quick question though. Are Xehanort's eye's yellow? If so, maybe Terra's eye change is some beastly attack to stop MX's Kingdom Hearts or to stop MX. Something like that.

 

[Stars]

I think Terra eyes change to yellow bcoz he open his heart to darkness..XP
I not really understand, does he mean DS + MX = xehanort?

 

[The Twilight Prince]

I think thats what they're going for yeah.

 

[OmniChaos]

I noticed something else too.. A quick question though. Are Xehanort's eye's yellow? If so, maybe Terra's eye change is some beastly attack to stop MX's Kingdom Hearts or to stop MX. Something like that.

Xehanort's eyes are brown...
MX, XH and Xemnas' eyes are orange...

I not really understand, does he mean DS + MX = xehanort?

Yeah, that's what we are hoping for...
Most people take the spliting of the DS and MX to mean that the DS is a part of MX, when what it can actually be doing is foreshadow that MX and DS will fuse into one... Another thing that caught my eye, was that MX had no keyblade when he first approached VAT... Maybe symbolic of Xehanort not remembering the fact he had a keyblade...? Then, when they split, the DS had a keyblade... Don't know, just something that stood out to me...

 

[*~NeoAdamus~*]

The keyblade part i have a hard time agreeing with given that the soul eater was able to produce a keyblade for Kairi.....or maybe im wrong cause as far as ive seen, he just pulled it from under his cloak, but still something triggered in his memories to make that keyblade appear for her. It's vague but is there a possibility that it could be linked with the DS MX relationship. Not only that but there is also the consideration of Terras Keyblade and the keyblade which was supposed to be given to Riku........i look for some more info to help this make sence

 

[Stars]

Yeah, that's what we are hoping for...
Most people take the spliting of the DS and MX to mean that the DS is a part of MX, when what it can actually be doing is foreshadow that MX and DS will fuse into one... Another thing that caught my eye, was that MX had no keyblade when he first approached VAT... Maybe symbolic of Xehanort not remembering the fact he had a keyblade...? Then, when they split, the DS had a keyblade... Don't know, just something that stood out to me...

Oh, okay..
Or the Ds is actually create from someone's darkness?
I always thought that DS is part of MX until seeing ur conversation xD

 

[Eagl]

Wow this was one hell of a disscusion. You guys really got me thinking. hey what about having a conversation between you two and some other once time a week or something. So you can discuss possible theorys and things that you caught up during the week.

 

[The Twilight Prince]

Well what about Terra's importance in the game..?

 

[Nazo]

Wow. That's a LOOONNNNNNG conversation. Very interesting, though.

 

[V.A.T.13]

Omni says:
Meaning all of Terra's moves could simply be copies of others...
Omni says:
As I so clearly pointed out...
Hades says:
VAT ignored that, D=.

Didn't ignore that. I pointed out that everyone has copied moves from everyone else also.

Omni says:
I strongly believe that Xeha's H was the one behind the Disney Villians in KH1...

I thought this was obvious. D:

other than that, good job with the thinking.

 

[Wehrmacht]

Didn't ignore that. I pointed out that everyone has copied moves from everyone else also.

Oh, yeah, now I remember.

I thought this was obvious. D:

...it was, ? Lawl.

 

[Ip Man]

That conversation would've been a lot better if it wasnt about obsessing over a video game. -_-

 

[Charlie K]

Wow. Geeks!Geeks!

Lol. Jk. Nice convo tho! It does..help?

 

[V.A.T.13]

That conversation would've been a lot better if it wasnt about obsessing over a video game. -_-

Then don't read it. Plus, thats what this forum is all about isn't it?