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[pastel.goblin]

I'm not avidly against the pairing, but it's gotta be weird to meet a boy when they're like, five, then date them when they're older but you haven't physically changed lol

 

[bambii (aka foreteller)]

I'm not avidly against the pairing, but it's gotta be weird to meet a boy when they're like, five, then date them when they're older but you haven't physically changed lol

I won’t deny it, it is bizarre. But what in Kingdom Hearts isn’t

 

[Absent]

I'm not avidly against the pairing, but it's gotta be weird to meet a boy when they're like, five, then date them when they're older but you haven't physically changed lol

This. So many manga and anime do this and its far from cute. I'm holding my tongue from being brutally honest, but you know gotta be respectful and all.

 

[pastel.goblin]

I won’t deny it, it is bizarre. But what in Kingdom Hearts isn’t

Ain't that the truth haha.

This. So many manga and anime do this and its far from cute. I'm holding my tongue from being brutally honest, but you know gotta be respectful and all.

Oof yeah. I'm so glad I never got into

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Usagi Drop

I would've been heart broken to invest the time and end up with... that.

 

[Elysium]

To me, it would only be weird if it's something like Sesshomaru x Rin. That's just creepy to me because he knew her extensively while she was a child--was possibly in love with her then? I always assumed it was a case of a child breaking down the barriers of a cold man's heart and slowly turning him into a better person, not some kind of long-term romantic relationship.

In comparison, Aqua sees Riku once, never gave him much thought at the time, didn't think about him much later. The Riku she meets later might as well be someone she's never even met before for all she knows him.

 

[Absent]

Nah I just have a low tolerance for stuff like that. I’ve seen it too many times in fictional media and real life to the point that I don’t care for the exceptions.
Aqua interacted with young Riku and Sora and the prospect of her ending up with either is…holds tongue….w e i r d.

 

[Elysium]

Well, I was more talking about shipping, which is always going to be separate from canon in relation to KH other than SoKai. I think it's likely Terra will be her canon love interest and 70% chance she is never paired officially with anyone. You have a right to feel it's...uh, pedophilia or whatever, but as for me, I'll file that line of thought right next to "NaminexRoxas is incest" logic.

 

[LoneFox]

HPO are on summer vacation in Twilight Town in KH3... does that mean... shit, are HPO still on the same summer vacation as in KH2?

No, because it was the last week of that vacation in KH2. It must have been at least 9.5 months from the beginning of KH2 to Sora's arrival in KH3.

time does not make sense in this series lol.

Except when it does!

I think we can assume that time goes roughly at the same rate in most of the worlds (Wonderland of course is an exception), because if it wasn't so, we should have seen more consequences of that by now. But the seasons are not in sync between them. Roxas existed separate from Sora for exactly one year. The end of that period is at the end of summer holiday (mid-August, assuming normal school year), so the beginning of it must be at the same time a year earlier. But a short time before that, Jack Skellington and his friends were preparing for Halloween, so it probably was October in their world. Also, in KH3, Arendelle seems to be at least a month behind Twilight Town and Kingdom of Corona.

Also, never really considered Riku/Aqua, but I kinda love it tbh

It does make some sense, mainly because they are the leaders of this generation of keyblade wielders, and therefore will need to work together in the future. But Riku already has Naminé, and so far Aqua hasn't shown any interest in men at all...

 

[bambii (aka foreteller)]

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I had to look this up, and yea major yikes. In my defense, I did not know that was a common anime/manga trope.

In this situation though, I still err more toward Elysium’s perspective; Aqua and Riku are basically just acquainting as adults. Can see the potential for discomfort, though. It’ll definitely never happen, anyway.

No, because it was the last week of that vacation in KH2. It must have been at least 9.5 months from the beginning of KH2 to Sora's arrival in KH3.

now you’ve got me double confused. I know it was the last week of vacation in Data TT, but was real-world TT running on the same timeline? I don’t think real HPO ever indicate that they’re near the end of their vacation, though I could be wrong. I do see the potential for the scenario you’re describing though and it *would* make more sense in some ways. But HPO in KH3 acted like they had just seen Sora, which makes a 9-10 month gap seem unrealistic.

 

[LoneFox]

I know it was the last week of vacation in Data TT, but was real-world TT running on the same timeline?

You have a point, they don't necessarily need to be the same. But I don't see any reason why they would be different either.

The question is, is it possible for all of KH2 + Coded + DDD + Olympus in KH3 to happen within the time of the summer vacation? For comparison, we know (from Roxas's diary in Days) that the endgame of KH1 from Sora stabbing himself to his arrival at Castle Oblivion took at least 23 days. Also, how long is the summer vacation? It is about 2.5 months in my home country, but how long it is in Japan, as that's what they would use in the game?

 

[Oracle Spockanort]

You have a point, they don't necessarily need to be the same. But I don't see any reason why they would be different either.

The question is, is it possible for all of KH2 + Coded + DDD + Olympus in KH3 to happen within the time of the summer vacation? For comparison, we know (from Roxas's diary in Days) that the endgame of KH1 from Sora stabbing himself to his arrival at Castle Oblivion took at least 23 days. Also, how long is the summer vacation? It is about 2.5 months in my home country, but how long it is in Japan, as that's what they would use in the game?

Twilight Town is based on French aesthetics, so they aren’t using Japan as a template here at all. Summer vacation in Japan is a little over a month. In France, it is about 8 weeks, so about 2 months.

Keep in mind Kairi was still going to school on DI, which shows the difference in cultural influences and time flow.

KH3 SHOULDN’T take place a few weeks after KH2, but it most absolutely does and es for Twilight Town’s residents. A rough timeline is KH2 covers a few months (but Twilight Town’s time flow is slow so not that much time is passing), then coded is a week, KH3D is maaaaybe a week, then KH3 starts up which happens to be still during summer vacation in Twilight Town.

 

[bambii (aka foreteller)]

Twilight Town’s time flow is slow so not that much time is passing

This could actually be the central puzzle piece, especially given the revelation in Dark Road that time flows differently in each world. For all we know, 1 week in Twilight Town or Disney Castle is months in Destiny Islands. Maybe that’s why Sora’s confused about how much time has passed? Just spitballing. Though a timeflow difference that significant could throw a lot of things into chaos across the series, lol

 

[Oracle Spockanort]

This could actually be the central puzzle piece, especially given the revelation in Dark Road that time flows differently in each world. For all we know, 1 week in Twilight Town or Disney Castle is months in Destiny Islands. Maybe that’s why Sora’s confused about how much time has passed? Just spitballing. Though a timeflow difference that significant could throw a lot of things into chaos across the series, lol

Yep, but also it just means Nomura can move the timeline forward at whatever pace he wants and doesn’t have to answer questions about aging or anything xD

 

[MATGSY]

TT being slower doesn't work with all the renovations that occurred like Scrooge's restaurant or the tram garage becoming a movie theater. If anything that suggests time moving faster.

 

[Oracle Spockanort]

TT being slower doesn't work with all the renovations that occurred like Scrooge's restaurant or the tram garage becoming a movie theater. If anything that suggests time moving faster.

You would think, but I think we are meant to have believed that some of that stuff was always there but due to hardware limitations it never showed up. That or they have really, really good contractors hahaha

There are other things like the outdoor theater area and the cat lady retiring that clearly indicate some amount of time has passed, but Sora’s comments were pretty clearly meant to show that it hasn’t been any time at all since Sora left and came back in HPO’s POV.

 

[Face My Fears]

You would think, but I think we are meant to have believed that some of that stuff was always there but due to hardware limitations it never showed up. That or they have really, really good contractors hahaha

There are other things like the outdoor theater area and the cat lady retiring that clearly indicate some amount of time has passed, but Sora’s comments were pretty clearly meant to show that it hasn’t been any time at all since Sora left and came back in HPO’s POV.

Really? I thought that it must have been at least a few months. The comment about how skateboarding was a fad made it seem like the kids were doing it during the summer vacation and stopped by winter (which I assume is when Sora returns). Also, Seifer going on his journey couldn't happen (logically) until another school break unless he has parents as great as Sora's.

I ship Riku/Aqua mainly because their personalities seem to be very compatible. They're both the "mature" ones of their trios. They're also the only keyblade masters of their trios. Also, they become a mess when someone flirts with them. I didn't really think about the age thing because age (especially for main characters) is so abstract and hard to determine. Also, Riku met Aqua for maybe 5 minutes at most. He clearly forgot all about her (from her visit). Have they ever mentioned whether Riku remembers Terra giving him the keyblade? Because if Riku doesn't remember that, then he definitely wouldn't remember Aqua.

 

[*TwilightNight*]

But Riku already has Naminé

No, he doesn’t. Why do people still believe this?

Even playing devil's advocate here and ignoring Nomura actively debunking it, when has the guy shown romantic interest in Naminè in 8+ games? He had more going on with Xion than Naminè. Guy barely spare a thought about her in KHIII until Riku Replica reminded him she exists. Which brings me to--

Really? I thought that it must have been at least a few months. The comment about how skateboarding was a fad made it seem like the kids were doing it during the summer vacation and stopped by winter (which I assume is when Sora returns). Also, Seifer going on his journey couldn't happen (logically) until another school break unless he has parents as great as Sora's.

I ship Riku/Aqua mainly because their personalities seem to be very compatible. They're both the "mature" ones of their trios. They're also the only keyblade masters of their trios. Also, they become a mess when someone flirts with them. I didn't really think about the age thing because age (especially for main characters) is so abstract and hard to determine. Also, Riku met Aqua for maybe 5 minutes at most. He clearly forgot all about her (from her visit). Have they ever mentioned whether Riku remembers Terra giving him the keyblade? Because if Riku doesn't remember that, then he definitely wouldn't remember Aqua.

Riku and Aqua had good chemistry when they interacted in KHIII I think. Do I think it'll happen? No. The most possible would be Terra or unknown character she gets with in the future. But there was never any grooming or intensive interactions involved. They met and talked for less than three minutes ten years ago and bowed out. The Riku she sees and is getting to know now is completely different. So I don't find it weird.

Anyway, Riku just screams single to me. His priorities are elsewhere currently. He's not looking for nor does he need romance to be fulfilled.

 

[Sign]

He clearly forgot all about her (from her visit). Have they ever mentioned whether Riku remembers Terra giving him the keyblade? Because if Riku doesn't remember that, then he definitely wouldn't remember Aqua.

Riku is the only one among SRK who remembers Terra and Aqua. That was confirmed in the BBS Ultimania and acknowledged multiple times in DDD and KH3+ReMind.

 

[Elysium]

Really? I thought that it must have been at least a few months. The comment about how skateboarding was a fad made it seem like the kids were doing it during the summer vacation and stopped by winter (which I assume is when Sora returns). Also, Seifer going on his journey couldn't happen (logically) until another school break unless he has parents as great as Sora's.

I ship Riku/Aqua mainly because their personalities seem to be very compatible. They're both the "mature" ones of their trios. They're also the only keyblade masters of their trios. Also, they become a mess when someone flirts with them. I didn't really think about the age thing because age (especially for main characters) is so abstract and hard to determine. Also, Riku met Aqua for maybe 5 minutes at most. He clearly forgot all about her (from her visit). Have they ever mentioned whether Riku remembers Terra giving him the keyblade? Because if Riku doesn't remember that, then he definitely wouldn't remember Aqua.

It sort of amazes me the way the fandom finds a way for something to be "wrong" with everything. I do not think of Aqua as some secret 40 year-old in a teenager's body... If you thought of it that way, wouldn't it be sort of weird for 40+ TAV to be hanging around with a bunch of teenagers, playing frisby or whatever, on the beach at the end of KH3 altogether? Even taking shipping out of the equation, that alone would be creepy. If you want to think of her that age, then I guess it wouldn't be weird to ship her with Ansem the Wise, since they're in the same age range? lmao I definitely don't think we're intended to think of them that way and I don't.

Come to think of it, Donald & Goofy are like 70 years old and hanging out with a bunch of teenagers. How problematic. Nevermind all those Sora/Donald fics over the years--now there's another strange dimension to them.

No, he doesn’t. Why do people still believe this?

I had that same reaction, but decided to keep it to myself at the time, lol.

 

[Face My Fears]

It sort of amazes me the way the fandom finds a way for something to be "wrong" with everything. I do not think of Aqua as some secret 40 year-old in a teenager's body... If you thought of it that way, wouldn't it be sort of weird for 40+ TAV to be hanging around with a bunch of teenagers, playing frisby or whatever, on the beach at the end of KH3 altogether? Even taking shipping out of the equation, that alone would be creepy. If you want to think of her that age, then I guess it wouldn't be weird to ship her with Ansem the Wise, since they're in the same age range? lmao I definitely don't think we're intended to think of them that way and I don't.

Come to think of it, Donald & Goofy are like 70 years old and hanging out with a bunch of teenagers. How problematic. Nevermind all those Sora/Donald fics over the years--now there's another strange dimension to them.


I had that same reaction, but decided to keep it to myself at the time, lol.

Exactly. I think calling Riku/Aqua forbidden or some sort of crime is crazy. Time itself is hard to judge in the KH world, so how can anyone know the ages of characters that have been through the strangest of circumstances? Aqua was in the Realm of Darkness for 10 years, but doesn't age a bit physically - there's no way to tell how she perceived that length of time (did it feel like 1 year?) or let alone what happened to her body physically in that time (did he eat/drink water?) Terra's body was thrown around for 10 years (turned into a heartless/nobody, then "recompleted" into ??? then killed again) to ultimately return exactly as he was 10 years prior.

And the replicas... if Roxas were to date Lea, would that mean Lea is dating some sort of artificial vessel? Human/living doll relationship? Let alone Roxas being only 2 years old. You can even argue that his mental state isn't mature enough to handle a relationship yet, let alone with someone older like Lea - since he didn't even understand basic things like friendship... which Lea taught him. Is that grooming?

I think examining the relationships and the characters involved so in-depth is problematic. Can't we all just agree that Nomura meant for all the trios and Namine to be teenagers - regardless of whatever crazy things occurred? That's my impression anyway.